Dargo2

>As I said, I did see "Suddenly," but wasn't greatly impressed by it. Perhaps because I always saw Frank Sinatra as a not-very-good actor. Mind you, I loved him; I was one of his original bobby-soxers and had 24 pictures of him on my bedroom wall. But I never saw him as a convincing dramatic actor, even in Manchurian Candidate. I thought he overacted most of the time. I'm a severe critic, particularly of my favorites in other areas. So sue me. Sorry Dothery. I thought you had stated earlier that you weren't familiar with the film "Suddenly". Have to say though, that like yourself, for years I too was never..ahem.."bewitched" with his dramatic acting, as he never really..ahem.."got under my skin". However, the more I re-watch his movies, I seem have gained more of an appreciation for his work, though he'll certainly never be...ahem..."all the way" up there on my list of the greatest actors ever. (...and as you can most likely tell by my use of all the "ahems", all the puns used in the above were purely intended) LOL

Well Twink, I just re-read my response to Sepia, and I think IF ya just attempt to let what I said sink in, it DOES make sense. (...and so, just re-read my text again very slowly and let it "sink in", and I think you'll grasp the crux of what I was sayin' there)

Yep Sepia, I believe you pretty much have the fashion of '69 described correctly. Regarding "Message Movies", I think the whole "preaching" aspect of these kinds of films and if it's well done and successfully presented, all depends upon how subtle the point it's attempting to make is presented, AND perhaps most especially if while the message is being delivered to us, if it's able to effectively show and have us also contemplate the possibility that there are and can usually be more than just one point of view to be considered by not falling into the trap of making caricatures of the characters representing an opposing point of view from the film's "message". (...I hope that made sense, 'cause I think I was starting to even confuse MYSELF there!) LOL

And, according to Snopes anyway, pretty much what I said earlier to ya, eh Dothery?! Ya see, if Fred didn't have me on his ignore function for rather dubious reasons, then he'd have known he didn't need bother with that posting to ya here! LOL (...btw Dothery, if you've never watched "Suddenly", it's a very well done and suspenseful tale in which Sinatra leads a couple of would-be assassins of the President...I believe TCM has shown it a few times in the past) Edited by: Dargo2 on Jul 20, 2013 4:57 PM

>It's no longer "unpatriotic" to preach "peace". Unfortunately, I'm not so sure this one is true quite yet in some quarters, Sepia. (...though far be it from me to attempt to pinpoint those locations on a map for ya, ol' buddy!) LOL

Have to say "Starman", the author of that review, does make this current Superman sound as if there is some depth to it, Char. So, have you seen it, and what did you think about the film? Btw, I have to admit that I was impressed with the original "Ironman" film a few years ago, but without Robert Downey Jr.'s very entertaining acting in that one, I doubt it would have been nearly as successful both critically and commercially as it was.

LOL Nah, this was in '69, and few years before THAT "fashion trend" got big!

C'mon now, Char! THAT couldn't have been the FIRST time you started noticing your "then-husband" was so self-absorbed!!! LOL

>I believe that movies of that type are not open to interpretation. They have neither depth nor subtlety which can be construed to have any meaning except the simple one which the director forces onto the viewers. Yep, and pretty much to what I was alluding to in my previous statement, Sans. And, to which I now ask YOU the following: What type of movies make the most moolah AND tend to be the topic of conversation among the general public today whenever the subject of modern movies comes up? Those big action blockbuster CGI-laden movies, RIGHT?! (...and so I rest my case)

>Sep,...Dargou probably DID want to "interpret" the females in the movies, back in 'his day' of course ! ...and... Not necessarily, Twink. Call me "precocious" here, but you might recall me mentioning before around here that I took a first date in high school to go see "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" back when I was 18 y/o. And it certainly wasn't so I could watch Jane Fonda dancin' around half dead in THAT "message movie". (...though, IF you would remove that "back in the day" qualifier in your above statement, THAT statement WOULD still be a valid one to this day!...yep, the wife says I can LOOK, but I better not ever TOUCH!!!) LOL

Well Sepia, unfortunately of what I see today, the term "kids" in THIS regard seems to now include who up to and including in their mid-40s! Yep, I can't tell you how many people of that age and even higher I've heard say somethin' like the following: "I never trust what the film critics say, 'cause they always look for "a message" in the movies they like. What I want is to just go and be entertained". And of course, by "entertained", they usually mean somethin' they just go watch the "action" unfold. (...YOU know what I mean here, RIGHT?!)

Poor ol' Raymond. The guy most responsible for driving the action in this flick, and yet he's the ONLY guy on that poster who's last name isn't in big block letters! (...yep, I'll betcha if the OTHER actor who would've played that part hadn't died a decade before, you sure would have seen the name "Laird CREGAR" shown on that poster just like THIS!!!) LOL

Well then Char! I guess you don't know how the kids "think" today then, EH?! I mean, I know MANY of 'em go to see the same superhero and/or ANY special effects-laden flicks INNUMERABLE times now days! (...and I have a feelin' it AIN'T 'cause they want to "interpret" the motivations of any of the characters in 'em!) LOL

LOL See what I mean, MissW?! (...thanks for playin' the dummy here to make my point, ol' buddy)

>When they re-released it some years ago I saw Frank Sinatra talking about it before the movie. Apparently he owned a good piece of it and was able to give the go-ahead on letting it out once more. The story was that he had kept it off the screen because of the Kennedy assassination. Actually Dothery, or at least as far has most reliable sources to date have stated anyway, this idea that Sinatra had sometime to do with "The Manchurian Candidate" being pulled from distribution is a common misconception, as the film Sinatra WAS able to pull from distribution was the 1954 film "Suddenly", in which he plays an attempted assassin of the President, and a film which supposedly he held enough of the rights to make sure it wasn't shown for many years after the JFK assassination.

Ooooh...yeah. Abby Dalton! Another of my boyhood crushes. (...that overbite of HER'S was as sexy as Gene Tierney's ANY day o' the week in MY book!)

Eeh! Don't sweat it, MissW! I'll lay ya odds most Americans couldn't tell ya the difference between Saskatoon and sarsaparilla!!! (...let alone who your current Prime Minister up there is!)

Yeah, you're right Twink. I apologize for even bringing this all up. And so, as a measure of my deep regret for all this, I'll offer you the following.... (...sure hope this helps!) LOL

Okay you two hosers...settle down now. You say it's "Timmy's" and he says it's "Horton's", but LETS call the whole thing off! (...somewhere both George AND Ira G, are spinning in their graves after THIS one o' mine)

>Such as "there was quite a brou-ha-ha over at the horton's tonight". Yeah, ya know that's a good point there, dark. Yep, word WAS this guy and his wife would sure get into some big fights now and then, and wake up the WHOLE neighborhood!

Hmmm...ya know MissW, I'm wonderin' why Tom up there with ya nearer the..ahem.."top of the world", hasn't posted THIS one yet in your thread???

Twinkeee, in case you're wondering what the term 'idiopathic" means that Sans just used....well, THAT'S just the formal medical term for "Dunkin' Donuts"! OR, in your Canadian medical books up your way..."Tim Hortons"!!!! (...sorry Sans, I JUST couldn't resist that one...and of course you're correct)

LOL Not bad, Twink...not bad. Though actually I've developed a sort of "sixth sense" about all the distracted and clueless and inept drivers out there on the road around me while I'm riding my motorcycle. In fact, ANY motorcyclist who wishes to stay live by NECESSITY must attain this "sixth sense". (...BUT, this of course does NOT negate the idea that "cagers" SHOULD ALWAYS be focused on their task at hand...NAMELY piloting a two ton vehicle which can and often DOES create tremendous bodily harm AND loss of life at a SECOND'S NOTICE when they fail to REMEMBER THIS!!!)

>Yikes! I do that ALL the time! I will get in the car to go to work or my parents' house or some other familiar destination and when I arrive, I have no memory whatsoever of the trip. Scares me a little, really. WAIT!!! This scares YOU silly?! Look tracey! I ride a motorcycle, and I see you "cagers"(that's what we motorcyclists call someone driving a car) distracted ALL the time on the road around me by their phone texting or something just like what you admitted to doing here. And sooooo, PLEASE reconsider this practice of yours! (...'cause like James Dean said in that "Safe Driving" film he did with Gig Young back in '55..."The life YOU save may be MINE!!!!!)

>The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans Yeah, MAYBE Sans, but haven't you heard? Mexico just passed us fatazzed Americans as the world's most obese country! (...though of course, and as all the late night talk show hosts made mention of, we Americans NOW have our Twinkies back, and so THAT should be short-lived now anyway!!!) LOL