Dargo2
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AND, there is at least one MORE positive aspect to union membership which you didn't mention here Char, and here it is...
Well, at least in the case of THIS old union member HERE away, and THAT would be all those times I would walk into my various Managers' offices over the years and read THEM "the riot act" about what lame managers they were, and especially after they would make one ultimately to be proved later counterproductive business decision after another. WHICH during these "riot acts" I'd deliver to them WOULD explain in detail why their decisions would be an utter failure and counterproductive measures.
Uh huh, and I'd VERY often tell them during these little "riot acts" that classic ol' refrain, "LOOK Sir(or Ma'am as the case may be) just remember ONE thing here. As a Supervisor with this airline for over 20 years now and who has preformed almost EVERY function with this airline but fly the damn airplanes, I have probably FORGOTTEN more about the airline biz than YOU will probably ever even LEARN!"
Uh huh..I did THAT more than once during my airlines "career".
AND of course, the reason I brought THIS aspect up about "union membership" was that I COULD walk into their offices and DO that, and those freakin' lamebrains could NOT fire me for saying that sort of stuff to them AS LONG as I continued to my job as well as I did.
Uh huh..."personal/office politics", i.e.,"if the boss liked me or not" had absolutely NO bearing upon my continued employment!
And thus, ultimately allowing me to retire at age 55, some 6 years ago, with a reduced pension and so I would NEVER have to be in close proximity to any more of those incompetent "Managers" ever again...AND while receiving said pension check once a month!
(...yep, life is SO much better now!!!)
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Thank you, Lavender.
Yep, I have to say after I watched Mason's performance in The Man Between on TCM a few years ago(and btw, a film which seems to be one of those forgotten gems of the cinema), I became an even bigger fan of his work.
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Sorry, but you two are SO off-base about Mason being "wrong for the part".
Ya see, as I said near the beginning of this thread, James Mason had the ability to play characters that were extremely flawed and often extremely underhanded, but you still end up rooting for them.
What you two need to do is watch just these two of his films in which he's excellent at doing just that:
Odd Man Out (1947)
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The Man Between (1953...and especially THIS one in which he's sort of a Harry Lime character in "The Third Man" in post-war Europe)
...and then afterward tell me again "he was all wrong for the part"!
(...'cause I don't think you could and still hold a straight face!)
Edited by: Dargo2 on Jul 12, 2013 3:15 PM
Edited by: Dargo2 on Jul 12, 2013 3:20 PM
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>About remaking TGOW, are there any Gregg Tolands alive in Hollywood today? Someone name them because I can't. Who do you use if your Spielberg? Vilmos Zsigmond?
Well, here's what someone or a group of someones thinks about this over at IMDb, anyway:
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Oh, so YOU were the "culprit", eh Twink?!!!
And here all along I thought it was the guy who evidently has me on his "ignore" function now because he evidently feels "insulted" when I disagree with his opinions and when I ask him to expands upon his thoughts by giving me his reasoning for them.
LOL
(...well, in either case, it's not that I mind "a good sidetracking" to a thread as I'm sure you know
, but I think you now may understand why all this talk of 'Kane" and "Toland" and "revolutionary films" is not really pertinent to this discussion here) -
>Yes, I already knew much of KANE was revalutionary in terms of film making. Close focus, ceiling shots, low light cinematography. The fact that Toland had to practically INVENT half of the stuff he used is fascinating in itself!
Yes, I knew you'd know this Sepia, however the primary point I was attempting to make in my first response to you was more the part I'll will now place in bold letters...
Actually Sepia, the whole cinematography in "Kane" was revolutionary, and thus probably the very reason why the argument COULD be made that to remake THIS film would be a very questionable endeavor to undertake for ANY latter day director, because while the story of ANY man told in flashback format has been successfully done many times since, the story of one Charles Foster Kane will ALWAYS be associated with how revolutionary the camera work was of Gregg Toland's.
And then, I probably should have then gone on to make THIS following point here...and THAT point would be that all this talk of Citizen Kane had been brought into THIS discussion about the remaking The Grapes of Wrath in some people's efforts to correlate why a remake of "TGOW' should not be done because in THEIR words "both films should be considered sacrosanct from doing so".
However, MY point is that one can NOT use these two films in this manner to prove that point because 'Kane" IS pretty much the "benchmark" to which all films are compared because of this very "revolutionary" aspect of it, and whereas Ford's version of "TGOW" IS a very well done piece, it will NEVER be considered "revolutionary" OR be placed as "THE best film ever made" by most film historians and critics as has "Kane", or EVEN within the top five or ten or even twenty "best films" ever made.
And thus my ULTIMATE point here is that all this talk about Citizen Kane in THIS thread has been as "off-topic" AND irrelevant to the original topic as ANY interjected attempt at humor that I or you or finance or any other of us jokers around here have EVER interjected into ANY thread!
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>Dargo: She has the most chilling beauty I've ever seen, particularly as the nurse.
Yep dark, actress Arlene Martel was quite the exotic beauty, to be sure.
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Btw Char, I thought that BBC link you provided was a very interesting read, and so thank you for posting it.
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Yes Fred, I'm sure it does. "The Onion" is most noted for doing the very same kind of "pointed humor" as Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are noted for, aka satire. And in THIS case the satire such as theirs of the retro-thinking population in this country.
(...though I hope you can see this response, as I'm getting the impression lately that you "don't care" to read any of my opinions which may run counter to yours, and thus am starting to believe you have very unwisely placed me on your "Ignore" function in order to spare yourself of my very thought-provoking BUT often pointedly humorous replies to you and to others, and such as the aforementioned Messrs Stewart and Colbert are noted for, and WHICH of course is CERTAINLY your prerogative to do so, BUT as I said I feel would be a very unwise move on your part to do so, 'cause THEN you'd be missin' out on those occasions where I actually glean and supply a little bit of insight into an issue that no one else might have previously thought of)
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AH yes, dark...
"Room for one more, Honey!"
That IS a good one, alright!
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Agreed on all counts, James.
(...so, does this make THREE 6-packs I should be buyin' now, dude?!)
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Orco, I'm so glad you bumped this back to Page 1 of this forum with your thank you to Tom, or else there would have been the possibility of me missing this completely.
And so now that I've discovered your thread, I too am now looking forward to perusing your father's website and these interviews he conducted.
Cheers!
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Dargo like Argo...nauts.
But Dargo 'specially like Nancy Kovack...she one hot babe!
(...and Dargo have crush on Nancy since he first see movie in 1963 and when Dargo was 11 y/o small fry)
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Nah, I'm sure it wasn't, mn. I just couldn't resist playing off Dr. Kimble's picture of Veronica there, that's all.
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And thus ALSO explaining why you never would again see her during WWII at the Douglas Aircraft Plant in Downey CA, but INSTEAD until the duration of the war would spend her off-hours away from the Paramount Studios playing her harmonica down on the pier at Santa Monica!
To get this one, it helps if you're a fan of the old Dr.Demento radio show....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvAhaq7nDlE
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C'mon Twink, you know what I meant. In the case of this story, it was a subtle way of first showing that he started caring about her...especially after the first time while they were driving in his car together and he told her that he thought she smoked too much.
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Well, she was MARRIED, dude!!! Maybe THAT 'splained it enough.
(...at least I thought it did, anyway)
Which reminds me...I thought the scene where Mason purchases that "quit smoking" device was a nice little touch which was a great way to show he was starting to fall for her.
(...and here with you bein' a great anti-smoking advocate, I would've thought that that might have resonated with you especially quite a bit)
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>+1
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See what I mean, Twink?! The gentlemen is a MASTER at that whole "Brevity" thing!!!
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>finance, are you trying to keep up with Dargou ?
Eeh! finance doesn't have to "keep up" with me, Twink. finance is usually right beside me in this regard!
(...and the only difference between us is that HE'S taken to heart the old adage, "Brevity is the soul of wit", much more than I EVER did...ain't that right, ol' buddy?!!!)
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Well, other than Hawks' and Ford's possible infatuation with an overbite, I certainly can't think of one, finance!
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Yeah, for the most part I did, and other than perhaps the part which James and Hibi mentioned earlier about James Mason's rather quick "conversion" to her side.
Though ALSO please remember because most of us have come to the consideration that this film IS pretty much a "Noir", the idea of a totally logical script of this genre should not be of primary concern for one's enjoyment...as Eddie M so masterfully pointed out during his tenure as host during those recent Friday night "Film Noir" presentations.
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Yeah, well, why is it I'm gettin' the feelin' you'd feel a little differently about this if Joan and her family lived in, say, Cherry Hill and she kept havin' to drive into downtown Philadelphia to meet with all the lowlifes THERE!!!
(...uh huh...I'd bet you'd get a little more into it if THAT were the case, eh finance???!!!)
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>I work for my Mom. It's about as non union as you can get. My negotiation was saying ok after her telling me how much she was going to pay me.
Well see, your problem seems to be that while you might have heard of "COLLECTIVE Bargaining", it appears you're painfully unaware the of practice of "CORRECTIVE bargaining" and where you just keep correcting your mother when she wants to low-ball the value of your services to her.
Btw, they also use this "Corrective Bargaining" principle in Japan, but of course in THEIR case it DOES in fact mean to pool the bargaining power of a workforce together in order add strength to their cause. They just have a little different way of pronouncing the process over there, that's all. I know, kinda confusing, huh!
(...hey, I never said I was "PC", ya know..nope, I'll use ANY method to get a laugh ANY way I can, and EVEN IF I have to resort to somethin' like THAT!!!!)
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>Not so Dargou ! A Mink Coat 'decreases' in value, it becomes used, whereas, jewelry usually increases in value, I know.
Maybe in today's market where the idea of owing fur is considered "Politically Incorrect" and thus a much smaller market than it was in THAT era this MIGHT be true, however I do recall that in THAT era there were MANY shops which sold still highly-priced second hand furs to the public, and thus even that commodity was considered a high-value one.
>Try and get a fat lady in a mink coat !
Well, if I WOULD ever attempt that Twink, I would be sure to wait until after she sings!
(...'cause of course, "it wouldn't be over" yet!)
Edited by: Dargo2 on Jul 11, 2013 1:41 PM
, but I think you now may understand why all this talk of 'Kane" and "Toland" and "revolutionary films" is not really pertinent to this discussion here)
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Yeah, kinda sorta, I guess. LOL
(..but HEY, after all this time around HERE, and with you seein' how I usually don't take any "you-know-what" from some of the more, let us say, "pretentious" people around HERE who occasionally act like those old managers of mine, then WHY should THIS be so surprising to you, HUH???!!!)
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