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> {quote:title=darkblue wrote:}{quote} I can be obtuse at times. I've often been told that I'm a-cute one. To borrow one of Dargo's lines, "Hey, they all can't be gems." B-) LOL

Anthony Eisley. He was one of the detectives on Hawaiian Eye which aired 1959-1963, The show also starred Robert Conrad and Connie Stevens.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}What is "Canadian-ness"? In Scotland, they call in Loch-ness !!

Thanks for the feedback, Miles. Yes, I was the first one to comment that Anne Shirley started out as Dawn O'Day.

Anne Shirley who was born Dawn Paris but began as child actress Dawn O'Day.

Winslow Corbett. Answer posted at 9:48 PM, June 17 without edit.

misswonderly wrote: With the former, we have no choice. With the latter, we do. We can turn the movie off, or choose not to watch it in the first place. As I stated previously, I can turn off a movie if I wish but the issue goes deeper. TCM has an obligation to not offend its viewership so I take it they approved of this edit or did it themselves. It's a nice debate but the reality is TCM is removing offensive words whether we like it or not.

Oui, the word in Japanese is Nippon. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Ja-nippon%28%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%29.ogg

If the word was so innocuous why was it removed? But we all have to accept it was removed. We're powerless to do anything about it. I never said just because it has been removed from the film that prejudice is being white washed from the past. It's folly to think that. That's why we commemorate Dec. 7, 1941. Honoring that day means we will never forget what happened, regardless of what a station does to edit a single word in a film. I don't think because a word is edited out means people are unwilling to accept the truth of how people felt back then. Like I said, if we need to look for the truth we have Dec. 7, 1941. Removing a hate word from a film doesn't change or make people forget Dec. 7, but it's a way of moving forward. No one is concerned when a film isn't accurate with historical events .People say, "It's just a Hollywood film." Accuracy isn't expected, but who is to say that some young viewer might not think that fictionalized movie is in fact reality. TCM movies are not the only source for history.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}That would be an economic "trend" in films, but not a Rule of the Code. Rules of the Code would be something someone can't do or say in a film because it is offensive to the people who control the Code. Exactly, just as the slang word J_ _ was edited out of "They All Kissed The Bride." it seems today that code even reaches back to films from the past. Good point, Fred.

The FCC has broadcast rules that TCM has to abide. Someone has deemed that word offensive, otherwise why was it edited out? Some entity has determined that it's more harmful to leave it in than to edit it out. So we are talking about the airwaves because TCM doesn't broadcast in a vacuum. Maybe TCM did it themselves so as not to alienate their Japanese-American viewers.

Yep Dargo, she was quite the lady cab driver which reminds me of the time I worked in Annandale-on-Hudson, NY back in.....................

MissWonderly wrote: > if we were to start deleting passages, scenes, and bits of dialogue from the movies made then we'd have a sort of ragged patchwork quilt of a movie, with so many pieces snipped out and stitched up again that it would hardly be worth the trouble to do it. It already has happened. Someone has deemed that word offensive enough to eliminate it from the film. It's not simply my choice to watch or not to watch a movie if it offends. Broadcasaters have to abide by FCC laws and regulations. Films broadcast on the airwaves don't exist in a vacuum. There are broadcast standards, and obviously this word in that film did not meet the standards. It goes way beyond my choice to watch the film or not.

Miss W, What about writing new scores for silent films? Doesn't that somehow alter the original artistic vision? What do you think?

I think this situation is unique because it doesn't say, "Hey, if a need a sneak, I'll get Mr. Hayakawa down the street for the job." No, it's not saying one person is a sneak who happens to be Japanese. It is damning all Japanese people (military, civilian et al) by saying the epitome of a sneak is a Japanese person. Profanity is edited on network TV when theatrical films are aired. Is that depriving people of the reality of the world by not including those words? It's a fallacy to think that editing hateful words is attempting to whitewash history. We commemorate December 7, 1941 every year, so there is no way people will ever forget the history of that event. But to insist that editing a single word from a film is whitewashing history is simply balderdash. The historical event always will remain with us long after that word is no longer in some film.

> {quote:title=Dothery wrote:}{quote}. If he was a cross-dresser, he dressed down publicly. He had a gray suit on. Maybe he had gray lingerie underneath his gray flannel suit? Or he was going home to change into his black peignor to watch some film noir? Voila.

If we can amend or abolish laws from the past that were codified why can't we ( as a society) change or eliminate words from a film to reflect a more enlightened present? Is Art more sacred than the laws by which we are governed? Silent movies get new film scores (Phillip Glass) so isn't that also altering the artistic vision of the original work?

Wow, Celia's post was from 2007. Talk about a blast from the past.

But life it aint real funky unless it's got that pop Dig that Pacific Ocean Park

This Bay City, Meeeechigun native is certainly into the groove. Take a listen. Once a dj, always a dj. This one's for you, Dargo

That's Gardner McKay.

Speaking of sour, I'd have to say her autobiography, The Million Dollar Mermaid, is just that. It seems more like a chance to even some scores than to tell tales of a grand Hollywood career. What did Jeff Chander do to merit Esther's gossip? Oh yes, he died, so it made it simple. I think the million dollar mermaid comes off as something which would have best been thrown back as not really fit for consumption.

TopBilled wrote: Or should the newer generations be clueless about this because something like a Hollywood movie no longer reflects this truth? In this case, I think political correctness may be promoting ignorance about past societal attitudes. Maybe those who made the edit believe that if younger people see the comment it will only reinforce an unfair stereotype. The greater good by eliminating it is that it doesn't perpetuate a stereotype.

Another sight to behold is going across the Mackinac Bridge, known affectionately as Big Mac. Spectacular scenery.

Esther later admitted that what she wrote about Jeff Chandler in her book was not true. It was done to increase sales apparently.