sivadselim
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They aren't windowboxed, FredCDabbs. They are letterboxed for 4:3 display, just like a lot of stuff is nowadays on 4:3 SD channels. They appear windowboxed on a 16:9 screen but the left and right bars are not really being imposed, but are the same as the ones that are necessarily there when 4:3 material is broadcast on an HD channel.
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No doubt, heuriger, because we know that TCM is not really HD. Still, I do not understand why their "faux HD" widescreen content must be windowboxed.
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FredCDabbs, Osborne's studio bits ARE 16:9. They're just not being broadcast on TCM-HD with the "faux HD" enhancement that TCM uses for the widescreen films. On a 4:3 screen they are letterboxed on the SD channel. They end up pillarboxed and letterboxed (yes, windowboxed, if you will) on 16:9 screens.
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XavierValentine, TCM does broadcast true 1.85:1 images (albeit letterboxed) when that is the original aspect ratio of the film. And I often get non-windowboxed 1.85:1 images on other (truly) HD networks, too, with thin black bars at the top and bottom, when that is the original aspect ratio of the film. MGM, retroplex, indieplex, IFC, AMC, Universal, etc..
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I know, heuriger. X-(
Still, I do not understand (exactly) why it has to be broadcast like that.
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Kid-Dabb, that's not the issue. Other channels have no problem at all broadcasting their images at the proper width. With films with a wider aspect ratio than 16:9, TCM is broadcasting a windowboxed image. Available pixels are being used to render the unecessary bars on the left and right as well as to render the extra width of the larger than would normally be necessary top and bottom bars. I do not use overscan (I have my TV set to a 1:1 pixel ratio) and I will definitely not be stretching or zooming anything. It shouldn't be necessary with a properly transmitted image. This has something to do with TCM's "faux HD" garbage.
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In the case of TCM, FredCDobbs, I mean windowboxed. See the image in my link. The aspect ratio is correct but the image is unnecessarily windowboxed. Windowboxed beyond the letterboxing that would normally be used for a film wih an aspect ratio wider than 16:9, with unnecessary bars on the left and right. A 1.85:1 or 2.35:1 film should span the full width of a 16:9 screen, with black bars only at the top and bottom. There is no reason at all to further shrink films of those aspect ratios so as to impose additional left and right bars (pillarboxing) as well as widening the top and and bottom bars, too.
BTW, as best I can tell on my 16:9 TV, TCM is NOT broadcasting these films with the additional windowboxing on the SD channel. The 1.85:1 or 2.35:1 images span the full width of the 4:3 screen with only the requisite leterbox bars at the top and bottom.
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Granted, that's a 2.35:1 film, so the top and bottom bars are big, but that's the same window-boxing that they always use, XavierValentine. I'll take a photo of a 1.85:1 film for this thread, too. Perhaps your TV is overscanning, which reduces it to a degree, but the left and right pillarboxes will still be there with 2.35:1 and 1.85:1 films, even with overscan, on most TVs. 1.33:1 (1.375:1) and 1.66:1 films, although pillarboxed, as they well should be, do extend fully to the top and bottom borders of my screen; they're not windowboxed.
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Letterboxing is just fine. Mandatory, even. But this isn't just letterboxing; it's windowboxing.
http://home.comcast.net/~schiz/babs.jpg
Note the unnecessary black bars on the left and right. That image COULD go to the left and right edges of my screen, be bigger overall, and still at be the correct 2.35:1 aspect ratio. And, no, I shouldn't have to zoom my TV (and won't) in order to achieve that. There's not an appropriate zoom setting that doesn't crop the left and right sides, anyway.
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This Close Encounters of The Third Kind that they are showing right now looks absolutely horrible, btw. Jus' sayin'. Yes, windowboxed, too.
TCM can do better than this.
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No, the problem is not panning and scanning, finance. Not the films I am referring to, anyway. They are being shown at the correct and full aspect ratio, as intended, with nothing cropped. It is just that they are being windowboxed by TCM-HD instead of filling the entire width of the screen. See my link, above.
I understand that TCM-HD is not really showing HD, but only an upconversion. Still, there is no reason, in the case of these widescreen movies, for the image that they are broadcasting to not be the full width of a widescreen TV.
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The 16:9 setting on my TV applies overscan and, as I said, even that doesn't eliminate the windowboxing. And I prefer to NOT use overscan, anyway. With overscan, the image is zoomed slightly, resulting in a decrease in resolution.
If you mean my cable box's settings, it is configured correctly. TCM-HD is broadcasting a windowboxed image. See my link, above.
Thanks for the responses, btw.
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Yeah. It is happening with The Way We Were right now on TCM-HD.
http://home.comcast.net/~schiz/babs.jpg
I have noticed it with everything widescreen that is shown on TCM-HD, lately. I do not wish to stretch or zoom anything, even if the original aspect ratio of the film is still maintained. This only serves to decrease the resolution.
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I appreciate TCM's efforts to show films at the intended aspect ratio. That's great. But widescreen movies (i.e. 1.85:1 and 2.35:1) are being shown windowboxed on the "HD" channel. Why?
No, I do not mean cropped. The aspect ratio is correct. I realize that there should be black bars at the top and the bottom, especially for 2.35:1 movies, but there is no reason why there should be black bars to the left and right of the image on a 16:9 television.
No, I do not overscan. I prefer watching at the best possible resolution with a 1:1 pixel ratio. But even if I do enable overscan on my television, the black bars on the left and right are not eliminated.
Can anyone explain why they are shown windowboxed like this?
Thanks!
Why Are Widescreen Films Shown on the "HD" Channel Windowboxed?
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Well, for example, right now they are showing The Landlord @ 1.85:1, letterboxed within a 1.78:1 frame, all of which is being broadcast (further) windowboxed.