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(to try and bring the convo somewhat back to "The Whales if August"):
I was thinking about it today and 1987 was a really interesting year for films (maybe the best of the decade?) besides " The Whales of August" there was (in varying degrees of quality and interest to some, but notable nonetheless:)
Fatal Attraction
House of Games
Wings of Desire
The Dead
Empire of the Sun
The Princess Bride
Raising Arizona
broadcast news
moonstruck
Wall Street
throw momma from the train
my life as a dog
Ironweed
RoboCop
Full Metal Jacket
Radio Days
Good Morning, Vietnam
The Untouchables
(And some others I'm sure I'm forgetting.)
BROADCAST NEWS is scheduled to air on TCM on Monday March 30. I'm not sure if it is a TCM premiere.
As much as I love Cher and am glad she received an Oscar, Holly Hunter's work in BROADCAST NEWS is at a level so rarely seen in a mainstream American movie in a "non-showy" role: a truly amazing and seamless blend of technical and emotional acting---creative and unexpected line interpretations and behavioral choices rooted in reality matched with a visceral inner life.
Holly Hunter would ultimately win an Oscar for a performance that was compared to the work of Lillian Gish: her role as the self-imposed mute in THE PIANO (a movie which I know is very polarizing but one that I like very much).
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Reminds me of Addie & Moses in the diner in PAPER MOON. She says numerous times in a low voice "I want my two hundred dollars" and since she's ignored, she yells it for the entire room to hear, "I want my two HUNDRED DOLLARS!!"
Ah yes!
PAPER MOON is a great movie, especially Tatum O'Neal as Addie.
I saw it for the first time on Netflix not too long ago.
I love the "two hundred dollars" scene in the diner.
When Moses (Ryan O'Neal) says he doesn't have it I love how Addie says "Then GIT it."
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as far as I'm concerned, Osborne can show up sloppy drunk and introduce "The Philadelphia Story" right before they're showing "the lion in winter" up until the day he dies
That would be a hoot to see I must admit.
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Sothern, well she's always good. The first time I ever saw her was during the 1980's on nick at night ( they were showing her old tv series ). I was only a teenager but I loved her tv show. To me she was a tv star. When TCM came around it was so eye opening to discover she was equally as good in movies. I'm glad I finally got to see the "The Whales of August". It is one of those movies you can revisit from time to time, a poignant swansong.
After the airing of THE WHALES OF AUGUST, Robert Osborne mentioned that "some cable channel" began airing two of Ann Sothern's old TV series in the 1980s, which introduced her to a whole new audience. He also mentioned that Sothern was able to actually make some money from these airings since she owned the rights to the series. Many old sitcom actors ***cough*** Florence Henderson*** bemoan the fact they've never seen any money from the perpetual reruns of their series since no actors even thought about syndication rights back in the day. The owners of the series were the ones who raked it in from the syndication deals.
Flash forward to the regular checks the stars of FRIENDS are getting from TV rerun airings and Netflix viewings.
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Love the new flaming sword design in "Star Wars - The Force Awakens".
Yes!
Hopefully the next teaser trailer (scheduled for May) for STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS will reveal more of the character wielding that light saber.
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CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT (1966). This was Welles’ blending of five Shakespearean plays that featured the popular character Falstaff, which he intended to play in one movie. His script is based on an earlier work by Welles that dated back to 1939. Welles considered the finished film among his very best.
CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT is one of the movies airing on TCM in May that I am most looking forward to. Not only do we get Orson Welles as Sir John Falstaff but we also get Jeanne Moreau as Doll Tearsheet and Margaret Rutherford as Mistress Quickly AND John Gielgud as Henry IV.
Falstaff actually appeared in only 3 of Shakespeare's plays though: Henry IV Part 1, Henry IV Part 2 and The Merry Wives of Windsor.
Falstaff dies in Henry V but his death is described by Mistress Quickly. Falstaff himself never actually appears in this play.
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Not really an "outing," but it was interesting that Shirley Jones and the publisher of her quite salacious autobiography ultimately removed the book's reference to Joan Collins after Ms. Collins claimed that the story about her in the book --- that Ms. Collins's then-husband Anthony Newley had propositioned Ms. Jones and her then-husband Jack Cassidy to partake in a "swinging" o-r-g-y --- was completely false.
After Collins sent a cease and desist letter, the publisher and Jones agreed to remove Collins's name from future editions and immediately from the e-book.
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When the realtor remarked about Gish's house not being winterized, it reminded me of Little Edie's laments about the horror of the thought spending yet another winter in a summer home.
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well what did you guys think?
I thought it was absolutely lovely to behold (great cinematography!) and simple- certainly not a lot happened...in fact I'm not really sure there was enough story there, but I felt like the film pulled things together quite well at the end, which was powerful.
neither of the leads was really given enough material to push their performances into the territory of greatness, but I did enjoy Ann Sothern and Vincent Price quite a bit.
Man alive though, Bette was in full Cryptkeeper territory in this thing. I half expected her to do the fiendish laugh and start making bad puns.
It was one of those movies that a great many people will watch and say "nothing happened" but it completely held my interest.
And, yes, the cinematography was great and simple (simply great? greatly simple?)
All of the actors were very good.
Gish, Davis, Sothern and Price were at their peak during earlier eras, but they were all completelly at home in this film from the late 1980s while still maintaining their uniqueness that made them great in other movie "styles."
Lillian Gish was the most impressive, able to convey deep and honest emotion so simply yet so complexly with her voice and behavior.
Ann Sothern's last close shot (before leaving Gish's house after the scene with the realtor) captured so many different emotions on her face that seemed to be coming from some very real place.
Bette Davis's "I will not eat those fish" (she said variations of it at least twice) was priceless.
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Price's last screen appearance actually came in 1990's "Edward Scissorhands." He has a small role as a kindly mad scientist who gives Depp his unusual appendages and dies before he can give him real hands. it is a very apt and touching swan song.
his voice was also in a curious animated feature called (i think) "the thief and the cobbler" (?) it was an extremely troubled and ambitious production that saw a limited release after his death. he plays (who else?) the villain.
Thanks, LHF, for this information.
I actually almost watched EDWARD SCISSORHANDS on DVD this past weekend.
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last question first: I don't know why they didn't tackle the cousin's claim....I'm not even saying I believe that Little Edie set her hair on fire
There were a lot of issues with the HBO movie starring Ms. Lange and Ms. Barrymore.
I actually think Ms. Barrymore was better than Ms. Lange.
Anyway, about the cousin John Davis's claim.
Here's an excerpt from Gail Sheehy's article in New York magazine from 2007:
There may have been a final fit of rebellion shortly after Little Edie moved back to Grey Gardens, as later described to me by John Davis. Little Edie’s hair had begun to fall out in her twenties; the family now ascribes it to a stress-borne illness; hence the constant head-coverings. But cousin John told me about a summer afternoon when he watched Little Edie climb a catalpa tree outside Grey Gardens. She took out a lighter. He begged her not to do it.
She set her hair ablaze. And in that act of self-immolation, she sealed her fate as a prisoner of the love of her mother.
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I've never seen this movie before and am looking forward to it.
I believe it is the last movie of Bette Davis, Lillian Gish, Ann Sothern and Vincent Price.
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darkblue, several posts down, provides a link to another film about the Beales and Grey Gardens, a sort of appendix to the original Maysles movie. Maybe that provides some answers.
(Sorry, db, I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.)
THE BEALES OF GREY GARDENS contains footage that the Maysles shot during their original time with the Edies that didn't make it into GREY GARDENS.
I remember Little Edie mentioning "Mr. Onassis" a few times in it. I think she was pointing out that it was his money and not Cousin Jacqueline's.
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3 months is not that "many, many".
8 or 9 months - now that would be "many, many".
Your thread should probably be titled "Why is TCM's film schedule set three months in advance?".
Accuracy in language is a good thing.
Right.
And most channels' schedules are set months in advance.
TCM just makes that schedule available online.
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James Dean. Case closed.
Agreed.
It absolutely is James Dean.
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It's often hard to fully understand one's own situation if one is isolated & alone. Having someone else to witness it can really open your eyes. this time around I really noticed how Little Edie turned to and interacted with the documentarians.
At one pont Little Edie says, ""All I needed was this man, David. David - I wish I'd had David and Al with me before this."
She relishes the attention she's getting and is excited to be making "the movie," to perform her dances and display her "costumes" even the "revolutionary costume" that she never wears in East Hampton. She confides to the Maysles that she thinks she's "amazed" Brooks the gardner by wearing it.
Having an audience (the Maysles and the camera) does indeed allow the Edies to focus on the resentments and betrayals of the decades. It's very interesting to watch the women play their power games before the camera. While Big Edie appears to have the upper hand (it's a very powerful moment when she matter-of-factly tells her daughter that you can't have freedom when you're being supported), Little Edie also knows just how to push her mother's buttons. She clearly knows how her mother will respond to her singing the Marlene Dietrich song but she does it when the camera is rolling and continues to sing it after Big Edie becomes violently angry.
Each time I watch I am in awe of the lyrical and darkly humorous "dialogue" that the Edies (especially Little Edie) speak extemporaneously:
This is the best thing to wear for today, you understand. Because I don't like women in skirts and the best thing is to wear pantyhose or some pants under a short skirt, I think. Then you have the pants under the skirt and then you can pull the stockings up over the pants underneath the skirt. And you can always take off the skirt and use it as a cape. So I think this is the best costume for today.
But you see in dealing with me, the relatives didn't know that they were dealing with a staunch character. And I tell you if there's anything worse than a staunch woman. S-T-A-U-N-C-H. There's nothing worse, I'm telling you. They don't weaken. No matter what. But they didn't know that. Well, how were they to know?
We better check on mother and the cats. She's a lot of fun, I hope she doesn't die. I hate to spend another winter here though. Oh God, another winter.
Listen, kid! I'm extremely organized. I know exactly where to look for this stuff. I've got it under control right here, but I can't find it. Get it?
I had my cake, loved it, masticated it, chewed it and had everything I wanted.
"Lines" likes these would make Tennessee Williams and Edward Albee proud.
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Tomorrow on TCM:
MovieCollector says THE HOODLUM previously aired on TCM back in December 2012.
I am looking forward to THE HOODLUM.
I very much enjoy movies from the silent era but I had never seen a movie starring Mary Pickford until I saw THE POOR LITTLE RICH GIRL when it aired on TCM in November as part of the spotlight on silent screen stars.
I was captivated by that movie and especially by Mary Pickford's performance.
She was around 25 when she made that movie, but she was totally convincing as an 11-year-old.
Of course the illusion was aided by the fact that we could not hear her voice.
PS. THE HOODLUM PRIEST aired one evening along with some other Don Murray movies. It might have been on one of the times when BUS STOP was shown. Don Murray was the only one of Marilyn Monroe's male co-stars who was able to match her sexiness.
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What movie is the clip from 0:35 to 0:36 on the video from ---where the guy seems to rise magically to a standing position?
I'm bumping my original thread about the TCM March promo which includes the video.
By the way, no one ever answered my question but I learned on my own that the movie was ORPHEUS.
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As someone who comes from a family with serious substance abuse problems, i can testify that it's a long, complicated process and once you're an addict always an addict.
an article I read on RadarOnline claimed Liza has been living with a sober coach for quite some time and that she is largely doing this to keep their behavior in check.
addiction isn't easy to understand and it certainly isn't always easy to feel compassion for people who keep falling down that hole: but you should at least try to understand and try to feel some compassion for it.
Very well said, LHF.
Anyone who has ever loved someone with addiction problems can relate to what you're saying here.
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I have been watching this TCM song with out takes from many movies. Can anyone tell me either who or what the movie is of the girl after Dustin Hoffman??? I think I seen it but just can't place it and it's driving me up the wall. In case you can't place what i am talking about it is the song that mentions "the essentials" and "under the influence" oh i can't remember the others. please help, any idea of who it might be will be closer to what I have.
Are you talking about TCM's March promo video that is underscored by the song "Under the influence"?
If so they are not out takes but actual clips from the movies.
After the clip with Dustin Hoffman the woman dancing is Edie Sedgwick from CIAO! MANHATTAN from 1972.
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That was my favorite Disney series as a child. "Nosing around for news!"
Here's the only GALLAGHER clip I could find on You Tube:
You can see the Disney Channel logo in the corner.
Maybe TCM will air this Treasure from the Disney Vault.
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My only complaint and it is a big one. Couldn't they have come up with a print in its original aspect ratio ? TCM should have played that short they produced many years ago. You know the one ...."would you like to see the Last Supper with 8 disciples or 12 disciples ?"
I'm getting the heebie-jeebies just thinking about it.
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Thanks for the info, Holden. They also showed non-Disney produced shows, because I remember watching the first season of The New Leave It To Beaver. Plus, I think the Disney Channel showed classic episodes of the old Ozzie & Harriet sitcom, with Harriet Nelson filming new wraparounds. Does that seem correct?
Yeah, Disney Channel did show series from other sources. I think OZZIE AND HARRIET was on in the early 1990s. They also showed episodes of DINOSAURS, GROWING PAINS, THE BABY-SITTERS CLUB, BROTHERLY LOVE and SPELLBINDER (a great Australian and Polish series about parallel worlds).
I'm not sure about THE NEW LEAVE IT TO BEAVER being on Disney Channel.
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My sister also loved THE LOST BOYS
I must admit that I've never seen it.