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Since much of the original stage version of "Cabaret" is also based on "Berlin Stories" saying the screenplay was "going back to "Berlin Stories" seems misleading, and this is especially true since the screenplay also creates a subplot involving a secondary couple not in "Berlin Stories" The stage musical's director Hal Prince and the musical's book writer Joe Masteroff agreed that in addition to the English and American lead characters, the story needed native Berliners as well to show the impact of the politics of that time on Germans AND foreigners. Thus the stage musical's subplot involving the doomed romance between the landlady and her Jewish boyfriend. In the film the subplot involving the rich Jewish woman and her suitor (who turns out to be secretly Jewish) serves a similar purpose; both allowing a narrative that gives these characters's tragic plights an effective statement on the chilling rise of Nazism during the course of the piece. I hardly think either adaptation failed to do anything other than honor in intention and and expand effect, Isherwood's original work.
You are incorrect.
The subplot about the gigolo wooing the Jewish heiress WAS in BERLIN STORIES.
It was the one titled "The Landauers."
Or maybe the gigolo was added by Van Druten for I AM A CAMERA.
The subplot about the German landlady and her romance with the Jewish grocer was invented for the stage play CABARET.
This story did not come from Isherwood's work.
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GREASE 2
"I want a coo-oo-oo-ool rider . . ."
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THE VERDICT is airing on TCM in September as part of the Sidney Lumet tribute.
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I know that many on this board have stated their dislike of Grease. I enjoy the film. However, I hate the ending when Danny and Sandy fly up into the air in the hot rod. First off, where did that car come from? That was the dream car that they built during the "Greased Lightnin" song. Second, why did the car have to fly? I can suspend my disbelief just like anyone else, but I thought the ending was just lame.
GREASE 2 was better.
I couldn't resist.
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How long ago was that? Just wondering how long it'll be before the next showing.........
I'm trying to remember. I think maybe last November.
It was hosted by Alec Baldwin and Robert Osborne.
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Not to turn this into the Bewitched thread...
But I also enjoy Bewitched. I used to watch it every night on Nick-at-Nite along with Lucy, Mary, Jeannie and the Bradys when I was growing up.
I've been collecting the series on DVD, I have seasons 1-6 so far (i'm waiting for the set of season 7 & 8 together to come out) and my husband and I have started watching the series from the beginning-- he had never seen it before! Me, not wanting to deny him an opportunity to relive my childhood with me (he didn't have cable growing up, thus, no Nick at Nite), am having him watch the series. In most shows' first seasons, it's always kind of awkward, as if they haven't quite found their footing yet. Right now, my husband is somewhat resenting Darrin #1, as he sees him as a bit of a jerk for trying to oppress Samantha's powers. He and I are somewhat on Endora's side in her dislike of Darrin. While she doesn't like him because he's a mortal, she also doesn't like him because he's trying to keep her daughter from being who she is.
Samantha is a bit of a dope because she is blindly going along with it, but of course, a Bewitched episode would be dull without any magic. Samantha always uses her powers much to Darrin's chagrin, but it usually ends up helping him in the end. Major Nelson on I Dream of Jeannie is way smarter, he lets his magic girl use her powers, as long as Dr. Bellows doesn't see. Lol.
Anyway, what makes Bewitched are the supporting characters.
-Endora, Samantha's mother, is hilarious. Who doesn't love Agnes Moorehead?
-Aunt Clara, Samantha's absent minded aunt. She collects doorknobs. I love the episode where Samantha, Aunt Clara (and one of her other aunts) go to haunt the guy who wants Darrin to make a campaign with the stereotypical witch, and Aunt Clara ends up stealing all of his doorknobs so he can't leave his house.
-Uncle Arthur. Paul Lynde is hilarious and I love him. His Uncle Arthur is amazing especially when he teams up with Samantha's Cousin Serena.
Those three are my favorites.
I also love Gladys Kravitz #1 and Abner. Poor Mrs. Kravitz. I don't like Mrs. Kravitz #2, she wasn't nearly as funny.
I love these shows, maybe I should start an off topic Nick at Nite thread.
To bring this back to Lucy...
Elizabeth Montgomery's second husband was I Love Lucy director (and Bewitched director), William Asher.
Not to make this into more of a BEWITCHED thread, but I feel compelled to respond based on similarities to my experiences to those in your post, speedracer.
I have all 8 seasons of BEWITCHED on DVD and am currently sharing the episodes in chronological order with my special someone, who also didn't have cable growing up and so didn't see it on Nick At Nite like I did.
We're currently in Season 2 and just watched the first episode with Paul Lynde as Uncle Arthur.
(We also liked Paul Lynde as the mortal, highly nervous driving instructor Harold Harold in one of the Season 1 episodes).
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If he never saw the stage version (which, by the way, I don't believe for a second), how does he know that the director threw out its book and made a film film more based on the original stories?
The screenwriter for CABARET told Isherwood that they were going back to his Berlin Stories rather than using the book of the musical.
Isherwood mentions this in the interview that was posted.
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I saw it when it was on during the salute to pre-codes and was a bit disappointed because I was expecting it to be more salacious based on the way it was described.
It's still on the DVR so I think I will re-watch it.
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Holden, I will try to remember to alert.you, when I next.see it scheduled.
Thanks, Arturo, but I discovered that I don't have FXM.
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On FMC (all times eastern):
Friday, 8/21:
4 am: PRINCE OF PLAYERS (1955)...........................6 am: IN LOVE AND WAR (1958)..........................8 am: HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY (1941)........................10 am: HOUSE OF STRANGERS (1949)...........................11:45 am: TEENAGE REBEL (1956)............................1:20 pm: BLUE DENIM (1959)...................
Saturday, 8/22:
3:30 am: TALES OF MANHATTAN (1942)..........................6 am: HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY (1941)........................8 am: HOUSE OF STRANGERS (1949)............................9:45 am: TEENAGE REBEL (1956)...........................11;20 am: BLUE DENIM (1959).........................1 pm: DECLINE AND FALL......OF A BIRDWATCHER (1968)..................
BLUE DENIM aired again, and I missed it again.
Sigh . . .
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The beliefs of a contingent of folk who are too lazy to even look up anything as to its veracity [which is available online] leads me to have no desire to waste my time trying to convince those who resist using their “eyes to see and ears to hear” as Dickens would say. This social experiment was fascinating and I want to thank Mr Fuster and Mr. Cole for at least getting the point, and Gordon for the rock and roll analogies which were apt. Proselytizing Mr. Muller as a black film expert is akin to those who believe that Dick Clark is the original and heartfelt purveyor of rock and roll, instead of Alan Freed. Anyone who writes a book on film noir called “Dark City Dames: The Wicked Women” would probably also write an exegesis of Samuel Beckett’s play “Waiting for Godot” and think it is about two men and what fun it is to sit on a park bench daily. I thank Muller for proving his inadequacy in such modes by his reducing of a topic to utter and sublime innocuousness and for proving me right. Due to my love of TCM and all things related to it, my goal was to elevate them to seeking a higher water mark next time they choose a host for such an erudite topic. Perfection may not be possible, but with the thousands of film fans around even a non-pro from the streets might be a better choice. And for those who doubt my contention that Muller is no film expert or noir theoretician, I suggest subjecting him to a movie test much like the one extolled in the film “Diner” wherein Steve Guttenberg would not marry his girlfriend unless she passed a football quiz behind closed doors. That way we can separate the boys from the men [or women of film for that matter] and find a proper host.
So, Monsieur CaveGirl, you do like Eddie Muller or you don't?
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"Pretty Woman" is better than syrup of ipecac for me. I also hate the end of Hitchcock's "Suspicion".
Monsieur CaveGirl, are you not a Julia Roberts fan or do you just not like PRETTY WOMAN?
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In the interview from 1974 in the clip below Christopher Isherwood confirms that he never saw the original stage production of Cabaret. He says that friends advised him not to see it, telling him he would hate it.
He says he liked the movie Cabaret (with Michael York as the character based on Isherwood) because the screenwriter mostly threw out the book of the musical and restored the stories from Berlin Stories.
In the interview he also talks about what became of the woman who was the inspiration for Sally Bowles.
The interview with Isherwood was wonderful.
Thanks for posting.
He's quite soft-spoken but thoroughly engaging.
His comment about Hitler stealing his hairstyle was hilarious.
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re: Leslie Howard.
For the record, he was an excellent actor- and it takes a deeper dive into classic films than many GWTW fans have done to discover that. He is superb in PYGMALION- really every damn bit as good as Rex Harrison
Leslie Howard is very good as Henry Higgins and he is the right age for the part.
Rex Harrison in MY FAIR LADY was really too old.
Harrison looks around the same age as the woman who plays his mother in the movie.
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I can only take so much of Bewitched. The husband comes home to a gorgeous wife waiting for him with a martini and a wonderful dinner. The boss and a few clients unexpected for dinner tonight? No problem, dear. Darren and Sam have an argument and he ends up in a bar telling the drunk beside him of his married woes. Come on.
To each his own....
BEWITCHED is one of my all time faves and I often watch an episode before a movie. I love Dick York's **** reactions, and all the outstanding supporting players & situations; the brilliant Agnes Moorhead as the Mother whose daughter can do-no-wrong except marrying a dolt, fantastic mother-in-law Mabel Albertson who says so much with her condescending voice, hilarious David White as Larry Tate. I enjoy the tenuous relationship Darrin has with his unscrupulous boss, something we've all experienced.
The crazy cast of charactors are a little over-the-top, but somewhat enjoyable. (zagga-zoozy-zim) But Liz Montgomery playing Serena is a testament to her talent.
My favorite episodes are the ones when Samantha deals with Darrin's snarky ex-gf Sheila.
It's a show that holds up well for me just as LUCY, THE DICK VAN DYKE SHOW, ANDY GRIFFITH and MARY TYLER MOORE show more than any others from the same time period.
I also enjoy ALL IN THE FAMILY, but I remember when there were bigots like that, I'll bet it's not understandable or enjoyable by younger generations.
I agree with you, TikiSoo.
I'm sure you knew I would.
Janet must not have watched many episodes based on the way she summed up BEWITCHED.
But as you stated, to each his own.
I'm glad you singled out Mabel Albertson as Darin's mother who makes an art out of subtle condescension, but usually ends up a victim of witchcraft. ("I having one of my sick headaches.")
I always love it when Samantha gives it to Sheila.
And, Serena!
I love her!
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It was the creamy nougat center.
Ah, so that's how they did it!
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I think Leslie Howard is the only role miscast, which considering whan an endeavour the whole thing must've been, is commendable.
I totally agree. Leslie Howard is extremely miscast in the role of Ashley, who is supposed to be younger than the wordly Rhett Butler.
Ashley in the movie actually looks older than Scarlett O'Hara's second husband, who is described as an "old man."
One must really suspend disbelief to accept Scarlett's infatuation with Ashley throughout that very loooooooooooong movie.
I am not able to suspend it.
In my opinion Ashley should look like Errol Flynn or maybe Tyrone Power.
I doubt either actor would have wanted to play the role, even if their respective studio had agreed to loan them.
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Speedracer said: Lucy wants new furniture. Ricky of course says no. (snipped)
She ends up wanting to get a new dress and perm for a party they're going to. Ricky won't let her buy either
I am amazed that younger "modern" men & women can find these situations funny. It's as if women were treated like a 12 year old back then.And the funniest thing was during that generation of married couples in the 50's, if the woman wanted to make her own money, her husband discouraged it. How many times have you heard, "No wife of MINE is going to get a job!" It took me a long time to figure out what was behind such a stupid statement.The added irony is Lucille Ball was the most liberated woman of her day, playing a "housewife". Now THAT'S acting!BEWITCHED took this concept to a whole other level.
You have this being with supernatural powers and her spouse tells her that she must live out her life as a housewife and mother.
And she agrees!
Of course, perhaps she was just telling him what he wanted to hear knowing all along that she would continue to use her powers.
By the way, I love BEWITCHED as many on this board probably already know.
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As long as we're fully into the "I Love Lucy" shows now, my favorite is the Vitameatavegemin episode. It almost sounds cliche, since that's one of the most famous and most cited episodes of the series, but there's a reason for that. Ball is one of the most natural "drunks" ever. As if the shooting of the actual commercial wasn't funny enough, she continues on. Ricky is trying to sing during the live program and Lucy, completely in love with him, lumbers over and tries to give him smooches, then attempts a "duet"... At this point I'm nearly falling off my chair laughing.
Yes, the Vitameatavegemin episode is one of the most well-known episode but deservedly so.
It is very funny.
Another one I like that's often cited as a favorite for good reason is the one where Lucy and Ethel go to work at the chocolate factory.
I think the episode is titled "Job Switching." Ricky and Fred try their hand and taking care of the houshold chores while their wives join the work force.
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What do you mean, "Ronald Colman"? I believe you are thinking of Robert Taylor.
Technicolor seems very confused about both versions of WATERLOO BRIDGE, misswonderly.
Perhaps he/she saw the version with Adele Dazeem.
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If you like the song "Tammy" (as I do), you should see how it's used in The Long Day Closes (1992), a gorgeous film by the great British director Terence Davies. The film is about a working class lad in the North of England and his love of movies. The montage over which the song is used is one of the most beautiful scenes I've ever seen on the screen.
Thanks, Swithin, for posting this beautiful clip from THE LONG DAY CLOSES, which is a wonderful movie.
Like you and BagelonaPlateofOnionRolls, i like the song "Tammy" too.
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According to TCM's programming article (http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article/1116176%7C0/W-C-Fields-100-Years-in-Film-9-4.html), this mini-festival will be co-hosted by Ben Mankiewicz and W.C. Fields' granddaughter Dr. Harriett Fields.
Thanks for sharing this information.
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KIrk Douglas would never again get so distraught over a woman.
Never? Are you sure about that?
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Holden--I know (and love) the Scooby gang, but what series is that second photo from? Not one of those young 'uns looks familiar to me. Inquiring minds and all.
The second photo (re-posted below) is from ROSWELL, one of my favorite shows from the the late 1990s/early 2000s.
Katherine Heigl later became known for her role on GREY'S ANATOMY, but she'll always be Isabel Evans to me.
The first photo was from BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER.
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Wow, did anyone see "Downstairs" (1932)?
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Yikes! I meant "hosted."
I changed my original post.
I should have said "hosed" by Sally Fields.