CaveGirl
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I could use that guidebook to writing style. Often I lapses into arron spelling.
Would that have been written by Hank Arron or Elvis Arron Presley, James?
I know I know, the first one is really Aaron, and the second one, Aron or Aaron.
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When it comes to the spelling of anything - including the "ubiquitous U" Dargo is always on about - it's a total free-for-all. Canadians swing every which way when it comes to spelling.
(By the way, I used to think that Tori Spelling was a Conservative Party guidebook to writing style.)
Do you know anything about this "Mahler / Mann" connection? Just friends, I assume?
Boy, you are making my brain sore from trying to remember stuff about Mann from college days. It just seems if I recall correctly that he was in that circle of artists, of which Mahler and people like Walter Gropius hung out, and I think Mahler was married to a woman named Alma who connected many men since she continually was the inspiration for many artists who would pursue her.
Tori Spelling! I kind of enjoy her but feel sorry for her since her mother seems like a meanie.
Hey Miss W., I just tried to send you a very very important message and it said your message box was full. Is this a hint or what?
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As I have stated, it is not.
Two case studies that say being "barren" due to physical gynecological conditions has been an impediement to marriage vis a vis canon law:
If the Black Dahlia had wanted to marry, she would not have been allowed to, if autopsy speculations are true since she supposedly suffered from Infantile Genitalia Syndrome, which made any relations with men impossible in terms of pregnancy, which would have left her barren. That also leaves out any other women with the same medical abnormality.
Another example would be that of "women" who are born with AIS [Androgen Insufficiency Syndrome] and are incapable of relations with a male, yet have been categorized as women from birth.
Canon law also eliminated from marriage any man who cannot perform his duties, that would possibly result in progeny.
Many such canon laws were promulgated during periods of a total lack of understanding of the human body, which makes them pretty much invalid as sensible directives for marriage as an institution to be revered.
Again, Paul if you want to talk dogma it should more rightfully be addressed in the Off Topic area of the TCM board.
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Naturally some might say my header is not illustrative enough of my post, but I will assume being that this is a movie fan board, that all who really are movie buffs of course would immediately know I am speaking of the type of film of which "Mondo Cane" was a precursor.
I respect the intelligence of those here enuf to not beat them in the head with explanations. But that aside, I'm wondering if there are fans here of the Mondo style film or the later FOD genre?
I only saw the first one, and just like MC it was accused of having some scenes that were staged which might be preferable to chopping off that poor little monkey's head for some type of hors d'oeuvres.
Yikes, that was so horrible to watch.
I did watch it though because I did not have time to stop the videocassette as I recall.
So, post here any thoughts about Mondo films, that you think are pertinent.
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They sure keep me from clicking on them.
That's a good thing.
Yeah, but the real Kevin Spacey told me he loves my post headers!
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I'm pretty sure that half the fun for you in creating new threads is thinking up what you're going to title them. Sometimes a little esoteric, but never boring.
The title just comes to me after the idea sprouts in my sick little cranium.
This is probably why I am never bored here.
Thanks for the analysis, Miss W. and how much do you charge per hour?
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The final movies in this festival air this Thursday and air in the following order:
The Moon is Blue
Baby Doll
L'Amore
Strange Cargo
Key to the City
Love in the Afternoon.
"Baby Doll" is my favorite Gothic comedy, since I can't think of any other Gothic comedies mostly.
It's hilarious and I can't wait to hear Sister Rose's take on it.
Probably got Condemned due to the thumb sucking and the crib setting, but all in all, Carroll Baker was better at preserving her virginity in that role than most female movie characters.
Geez, she wouldn't have anything to do with her hubby in a romantic way, and no wonder he was ticked especially when that gigolo played by Eli Wallach came to town.
Gotta say if I was forced to marry Karl Malden I might have resisted for many years also, unless I got a lot of new furniture that was not repossessed.
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Key to the City??? What was wrong with that one? Isnt that the Loretta Young/Clark Gable film? They actually condemned a LORETTA YOUNG movie???? (after the code???)
As well she should be, Hibi!
I mean who played more nuns in films, yet was also having more affairs with her co-stars than good old Loretta. Just cause she had that swear box on set from which she donated the money to charities, does not make her a saint in good standing.
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But how would they know whether the person was barren or not, since presumably the"barren" individual would not yet have had a shot at conception? (I dunno, I kind of liked the sound of that phrase...) The only thing the authorities could go by was age; I suppose they could object to a woman who was clearly past her child-bearing years (but even then, it varies from woman to woman) getting married, but other than that, especially back then, they had no way to tell. ....did they??
They know, they always know!
Sorry for trying to paraphrase Darren McGavin's lines from ACS, Miss W.!
Now you are right, if the person had no idea they were "barren" then of course how could the church stop them. But if someone was aware that they were incapable of producing progeny, then yes, the church would disallow them having the right to marry since it was obvious that the "true" reason for marrying was missing. Now this was old church policy so I'm not saying this is current dogma.
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For me, it's any number of reasons to watch something. Lately, I've been watching classic Universal crime dramas on Hulu. If I see there are 75 or 100 or more episodes available for a series, and I don't have time to watch all of it, then I have to narrow it down-- I usually go to the IMDb and scan the episode descriptions to see what stories were featured. If a premise seems interesting, it goes to round two in my selection process. Then, I look at guest cast. If there are old time movie stars, it advances to the next round. The final round is a combination of writer-director. If the director of an episodic TV show also directed films, or if the writer also wrote for films, or if they have dozens of credits in this given genre, then I figure the story is probably guided by a pro and that's how I pick it. I never watch anything that probably doesn't get less than an 8 from me on a 10 point scale, because of the strict selection process I use. I want to see quality, not junk. I don't have time for junk.
Another thing that causes me to look at something is if someone I know worked on the show or on the film. Sometimes a few clunkers sneak in this way, but at least it gives me something to talk about with Person X, when I say 'Caught the performance you did in 2011 on Such and Such Show.' Or 'Loved your script-- what did you think of the guest star, is that how you imagined that role being played when you wrote it?'...those kinds of things.
Thanks for an interesting exegesis on your selection process, TB.
I think I am less discriminating since I feel I've wasted so much time seeing so many movies, that I now will watch anything of a vintage age just to fill in the gaps.
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Hahaha!!!
Thanks for keeping my thread alive. Maybe I'm wacky but I just can't imagine Dean Martin liking June Allyson.
For that matter, Gloria and Jerry seems weird too. I probably could imagine them more reversed like Dean and Gloria and Jerry and June.
Thanks for listening, I feel like I'm talking to myself!
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Oh, The Lair of the White Worm - a great guilty pleasure of a film. I may need to set aside a couple of hours for another dose...
When I lived where there was no nearby independent places, I too started hunting for features I thought wouldn't survive for long in amongst the usual selection of blockbusters/box office certainties.
That's also such a fun film from the Lovecraft vaults.
I should have asked how much trouble will people here go to see a film. We once drove 100 miles to see "Liquid Sky" in a theatre.
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I've usually tended to swim against the tide of popular opinion. I've been a compulsive reader and been interested in classic (e.g. 1960's and older films) most of my life. When I was younger, I would go see what my friends did (1985's "The Breakfast Club", "Year of the Dragon", 1984's "Blame It On Rio", "Purple Rain"), but after that quartet of films (TBC was fun, but not the rest, IMHO), I started going to see films I thought wouldn't do enough business to last a week ("Gothic" 1986) and ( The Lair of the White Worm" 1988). "When I saw "Death Becomes Her" in 1992, there were three people in the theater with me.
With re-releases of classics, I had the place to myself (the 2001 re-release of "Some Like It Hot" (1959), or with minimal attendance (the 1991(?) "A Streetcar Named Desire" or 1993's re-release of "Rear Window"). The only fully attended re-release I've ever seen was for "Gone With the Wind".
IMHO, critics opinions are best used as Guides what to see, like a tour guide. They aren't the absolute Know Everything--you can strike out on your own and find something worthwhile in most films. Using your own knowledge and opinions is the best way to go.
I like to discover my own classics, like "Shadow of the Vampire" (2001), which lasted three days in local theaters; or a well known, Low Budget producer-directors' not-well-enough known classic "The Undead" (1956).
I've rambled on too long, LOL; next poster.
Edit: Sometimes All the critics can roast a film on its' original release, and it's rather good, seen 40 or more years later. I'm thinking of 1968's "Boom!" and 1945's "Yolanda and the Thief", to name two films.
"Shadow of the Vampire" is such a good film!
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I think DGF was referring to the number of political threads in Off Topic.
Incidentally, I tend to avoid your threads because the titles are not very informative.
Yes, I don't like to telegraph my thoughts with auto-suggestive titles.
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I have a few recording tomorrow:
The Squaw Man (1931)
Penthouse (1933)
The Young Lovers (1964)
I also recommend West of Zanzibar to anyone who hasn't seen it. Ulee's Gold is also good, in a low-key way, and it was filmed not too far from my neck of the woods.
Oh, wow I was going to post about those films also, Lawrence.
And "West of Zanzibar" is just classic Tod Browning off the wall bizarro world stuff that no horror fan should miss!
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I would chastize you for not "Manning up" except for that I buy books all the time and then don't get around to reading them. And I read all the Mann stuff when I was in college, and to tell the truth do not remember if Mahler is mentioned at all. I kind of think not, just that reviewers or professors would mention always roman a clef tendencies in books and they thought it was referencing Mahler due to his connection to Mann.
To this day, my copy of the famed book "Godel, Escher, Bach" is still only read up to the last chapter and I've owned it for years. Very dense reading!
As to the spelling of "gray" or "grey" for some odd reason I always like using the "e" version. I wonder if that is because I did have relatives who moved to Calgary. Just curious Miss Wonderly, which way do Canadians spell "judgment" or "judgement". In the US, the one without the first "e" is correct but it always looks so strange to me.
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I am sorry to say that, although I bought Death in Venice many years ago, and it has graced my bookshelf ever since, I have never read it. I have intended to read it many times, but there always seemed to be some other book that usurped its place in my book reading queue.
This is one of those times when I can say I haven't read the book, but I have seen the movie. And I can say three things about that:
1) I agree, it's a good film, and a wonderful performance by the (here in North America, anyway) under-recognized Dirk Bogarde.
The other two points are about music.
2) I figure you know that for some reason, Visconti associates Bogarde's character with the late 19th century composer Gustav Mahler. A lot of Mahler's lush, beautiful, emotional symphonic music is played in the film's soundtrack. Whether Thomas Mann makes this connection in his novel, I don't know.
3) trivia: the almost-as-lush-and-emotional-as -Mahler singer/songwriter Rufus Wainwright has a song,"Gray Gardens", which makes interesting allusions not only to the movie by that name, but also to Death in Venice. In the chorus, he keeps singing "Tadzio, oh Tadzio..."
Wow, so interesting Miss W.!
I knew about the Mahler thing but not about the music about Tadzio. That is fascinating and thanks for sharing your knowledge! I only know the stuff about "Grey Gardens" not "Gray Gardens".
I can't totally speculate, but I think you would really like the book that you have on your shelf, "unread, unhonored and unsung"! Obviously I've ripped that off as usual, but if you like other books by Mann like "The Magic Mountain" you will like DIV I bet.
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Now I've heard politics makes strange bedfellows but I was not as aware of this implication in the entertainment field.
That was before I read recently the book "Dean and Me" by Jerry Lewis and there was a story about Dean being involved with June Allyson and Jerry with her friend from MGM, Gloria DeHaven.
All four were married at the time in the early fifties and frankly I would never have put any of those people together in my mind as being attracted to each other.
Poor old Dick Powell, no wonder he got jealous of June!
So do you know of any other strange couplings and if so, please add them on here.
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For me, it's mostly based on what mood I'm in, or how I'm feeling. For example, I've been watching a bit more film noirs lately for some reason.
For movies that are super popular, sometimes I feel like I will give them a try just to see what all the fuss is about, like with Casablanca or even Citizen Kane. I did enjoy these movies, but I feel they may be a tad over-rated at times.
Other times, I've watched movies after being introduced to them by my parents. When I was about 4 years old, I watched My Fair Lady, Sergeant York, National Velvet, & The Ten Commandments, just to name a few older ones, and of course more recent ones like Ghostbusters, Turner and Hooch, Back to the Future, Jaws, Jurassic Park, etc... So, for me, it's mostly my own judgment, with a mixture of recommendations from my parents/grandparents.
Sometimes I take chances and watch something completely random, and end up hating it (i.e. The Last of the Mobile Hot-Shots) but I think it's important to try things first before forming any kind of opinion about them.
Very rational thinking, N&N!
How's Asta and thanks for answering.
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How do you choose the movies you go see or rent or buy?
Do you follow the dictates of others who have set themselves up as critics, or base your selections on friends and their opinions, or just use your own judgment.
I remember once wanting to rent the movie "Short Cuts" and a person I knew said to me, "Oh, you wouldn't want to see that I heard it is very dark and depressing" and I said "That's exactly why I want to see it."
Now if one knows nothing about a topic, I can see following the crowd to begin with, but once one has their sea legs I would think they pick and choose mostly based on their own intelligence and criteria.
Nothing wrong with of course, reading about a new film from a review but the final say in whether it is worthy of my time, is up to me.
But you may be different. What's your style?
I think I know too many movies from the past, and rarely am confronted with a film that I would not have some knowledge of, but it is fun to occasionally go against the grain and give something a shot that you might normally find not up to par. As example I will use "Office Space" and "The Blair Witch" film that I would have ignored but took a chance and enjoyed both.
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Oh, that's sad.
She was fab in so many movies, all her early work and of course Kubrick's CO, but my personal favorite was her performance in "Vampire Circus".
An exceptional horror movie and not widely known.
RIP!
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Who else thinks that a long overdue section within these marvelous boards, that TCM finally now adds a section/forum on just plain "MOVIE-MEMORABELIA" & collectibles I know it has stuff close to it, but they should make one solely devoted to that truly & only about one of the major things we admire about motion piicture history!!!
I 1st started collecting this stuff about the same time I fell for THE MOVIES, at age 14/15 in 1979. & I'm not just talking about movie books either.
So, please chime-in & let them, us & me know what ya' think & also, most of all, WHAT ARE YOUR COILLECTIBLES TO DATE?
THANX
Ooooh, I like it!
The number of boxes of such stuff lines my garage. I love movie memorabilia.
One of my most treasured items is an Odorama card from the original screening of "Polyester" by John Waters.
It is so much more fun to have awful smells than the nice ones which were projected into theaters in the Mike Todd Junior Smell-O-Vision days. Wasn't that film called a "Scent of Mystery" maybe?
Great idea, Spence!
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Initially, Charles McGraw was cast in action films, but his movie career was interrupted by military service during the war. After his discharge from the army, he returned to acting; and starting with his role as a thug in THE KILLERS, he shot to stardom as a noir tough guy. Similar roles followed in other productions, and he played characters on both sides of the law. He was memorable as a crooked investigator in ROADBLOCK at home studio RKO; and he turned in a strong performance as a determined police officer in THE NARROW MARGIN. Later roles in the 1950s and 1960s spanned different genres including westerns, comedies and horror films. During these years, he also turned up frequently on television, starring in two short-lived series and guest-starring on many other programs.
Charles McGraw present and accounted for..!
It was so great to see him as the rather abusive father of Perry Smith [Robert Blake] in "In Cold Blood".
He can be quite chilling in such roles to be sure. Thanks, TB!
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They ought to be consolidated into one thread. There are so many threads that I don't know which one to go to.
Here, I'll make it easy.
You need to only go to my threads, Down.
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Mirror Mirror!!
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I own that boxed set of "Thriller" episodes and that is one of my faves, thanks!