CaveGirl

You make good points about "Don't Torture a Duckling" and "Blood and Black Lace" thought you'd think the latter would not be too wild for TCM by now and has been shown. I'd also like to see the infamous Brit horror film "Frightmare" on TCM Underground but I'm not holding my breath.

Bunny Hater! Lorna, I only watched TNOTL to hear Stuart Whitman speak with that incredibly rich and amazing voice. Ya know, speaking of musical scores, do you know the difference between a Spice Girls movie and a porno movie? The porno movie has better music! Okay, I stole that from someone but it still plays.

"After Hours" is one of the best darkly comedic films of all time. The part where he is trying to remember a phone number and Teri Garr keeps repeating other numbers, when his twenty dollar bill flies out of the taxi cab, the sign in the apartment saying "Dead Body this way" or whatever. It is a great movie, but definitely belongs on an Underground slot. Let's just be honest. Films are films and just like people, one has to take some good with some bad. Now I do choose to be around people mostly who are not toxic, but every once in a while, meet someone who I would have rejected but find they might be a really fine person, full of fun and interest, and I'm glad I did not immediately relegate them to the undesirable heap. That's the way I feel about TCM Underground. Is every film gonna be a classic like "The Third Man"? No, probably not but often there is a gem that it worth more than it's reputation. Even when this doesn't happen, some films are just fun in all their inane situations and I like to laugh. Just like I would not want only to watch Pavarotti sing opera but would occasionally also want to hear Tab Hunter try to sing something like "Young Love" even if he butchers it. There is no good without the occasional bad to compare...

T'is true, that "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" is an interesting movie. I had just read a book about the crimes it was based on before I saw it, and it was interesting to see the big screen version. "The Baby" is just off the wall, and "Willard" of course is a bonafide classic of rodent appeal, with some great acting by the rodents and with a fab revenge plot.

In the interest of saying that some TCM Underground films are definitely not cheesy, there are some actually fine movies in that list, albeit a bit offbeat like "River's Edge", "In Cold Blood" obviously, "Sisters", "The Beast with Five Fingers" and "Demon Seed".

That's Motel Hello to you, Laffite!

I watch it religiously, Lydecker. I do miss the intro where it would show the clip with Tommy Rettig from "The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T" film and also the bit with Peter Lorre in "Mad Love" although the current graphics are fun for sure. Now you are a classy person, as we know from your name relating to that famous dancing sophisticate, so these lurid melodramatic entities that show up on TCM Underground might infect your mind. I tend to watch them as I like the contrast between high art and low art. As you know from the legendary book, "The Tastemakers" highbrow art can change places with lowbrow art, and both can move upward and downward on a graph, but Middlebrow Art remains static forever. Hence, I only watch the high and the low ends, and enjoy seeing them change places intermittently. If you decide to become an adherent of the Highbrow and Lowbrow Admiration Consortium, you will need to start watching some TCM Underground flicks. If not, that's okay too.

Good catch and sleuthing, Hamradio! I love people who can find origins of things in earlier films. Thank you!

Maybe they are all drunk on Chianti?

Oooh, that looks good, just like oleander! Probably smells good too just like Joy by Patou.

Only you, Dargo...only you! Thank goodness though there is a you, as you make me laugh every day. Of course I was not laughing the first time I saw that film, since I was smitten with Robert Wagner and thought it was so cool that Natalie was named Salome. I would have rejected sun dappled Georgie Boy in those days, but now that he has taken over the Colonel Sanders empire, maybe not. A rather tepid film, but as I recall quite a few good musical bits which still might be fun to see. A miniature Cannibal and the Headhunters statuette for your post!

"Animal killings"? I still haven't gotten over the little monkey whose top of head was chopped off in "Faces of Death"!

I think you are on the right track with that theory!

I own that book and yes, it mentions some fine such film fodder!

Yes, the Kuru phenomenon is of interest to me, since I enjoy reading anthropological works related to such issues. Eating of the dead, was not seen as such a morbid topic, since it was probably motivated by receiving some of the inborn qualities of the dead, and becoming one with them. Also a way of uniting the ancestor with the current family member, but sadly not knowing the physical dangers many were affected adversely. We often see such practices as only being examples of gory and distasteful behaviour, not realizing the back story. As much as I would not want to end up with Kuru, having seen film footage of some who have it, I gotta say I LOVE the movie "The Brainiac". Those eyes, that tongue, the interesting ears...what a doll! Thanks for your sound and always knowledgeable information, Swithin!

I get your point, Sepia. As I learned from the profound movie, "Pollyanna" when Hayley was talking to the fire and brimstone preacher, as played by Karl Malden, she said and I may be paraphrasing "He who looks for sin will surely find it." I think that is behind most searches for what constitutes in certain people's minds, sin. Probably a motivating factor in Jerry's constant search, and also Anita Bryant or maybe she just drank too much tainted orange juice. There is also the group who pretend to be not homosexually inclined, but are and try to out others, just not themselves. Really too deep a discussion probably for a movie forum, since we'd need Freud, Jung and Masters and Johnson all here to debate it. But thanks for the discussion!

I'm guessing but it might be heteros [heteroes?] who are not so sure of their status innately, but want to make sure all believe they are heterosexuals. So they align themselves with groups who seek to stamp out homosexual content, perhaps with a religious or intense moral slant, and hence try to eradicate it in all things, just as they'd like to eradicate it in themselves? I think it might have some connection to Projection. Obviously you are not one of the group with such inadequate self assessment, darkblue.

You do have a point there, Sepia. Often supposed heterorsexually inclined folks will seek out homoerotic content, so they can point it out as being dangerous. But then we get right back into that this may be an overkill moment of trying to deflect their own fear that they are interested in self same topics. Is there a qualified shrink on this board who works cheap?

Thank you! Oh, did you mean that in a pejorative sense???

Wasn't it the one which was lavender colored that was "suspected" of this transgression, Sepia? I resent that my favorite color, lavender is always used to represent sexually oriented things! Haven't you noticed besides always talking about that color in terms of gay men, Hollywood also is always putting prostitutes in films in some trashy lavender colored outfit that looks like a Frederick's of Hollywood markdown item, on the street. Why, everyone knows that lavender was Kim Novak's favorite color and she was and is a lovely lady! So there...

I'm starting to wonder. Just watched some expose about the Natalie Wood story and boy, there are so very interesting twists in that tale, and not just about Natalie and her trysts with famous men. One doesn't want scandal for scandal sake, but then again having been forced to read "The Lives of the Saints" in Catholic grade school, one also does not want biographies to be basically hagiographies, which admit of no failings in character either. Thanks, Sepia!

Oh, that's like the old John Barrymore story, Laffite. Didn't it go something like, a heckler was mocking Barrymore during the play, and made neighing sounds when he said "My kingdom for a horse" and Barrymore said then, "Saddle up yonder nag in the seats instead" while pointing to the culprit. I am way too lazy to check the accuracy of my quote, so if wrong, kill me. I just remember it from maybe reading that book "Goodnight, Sweet Prince" possibly.

And I suppose you think we ladies just like to read about Catherine the Great for the same subtext, darkblue? Oh, wait...you're right.

His rendering of "A Kiss to Build a Dream On" tests one's taste, but he was quite pretty in those days as you say. That must be why many "singers" who were tone deaf always had very lovely picture covers on their 45's, like poor, sweet Sal Mineo, Princess.

Good idea, Nip and then they would have had more time for important events and could have put in some footage about how Van Gogh was ingesting lead in his system by sticking his paint brushes into his mouth, which was basically affecting his mind with potential lead poisoning effects. Too bad you weren't arund back when it was filmed, Nip!