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I used to dump on Jerry but I was older then and now I'm younger* and I get him.
Actually I always was confused by the idolatry that France showed Jerry, and I was also prejudiced toward their other idol, Jacques Tati, even though I'd never seen a Tati film, and I would say things like "The French like Jerry because they don't really have a sense of humor."
But I was wrong. It is just a different sense of humor than that of typical American audiences. I found this out when I broke down and actually paid money to buy two of Tati's films, "Mon Oncle" and "Monsieur Hulot's Holiday" to prove to myself that he was not funny either. I had based this just on seeing stills of Tati and he did not appeal to me at all.
The holiday movie started and within a few seconds I was laughing out loud. And being by myself, I felt silly but still was laughing. After watching the whole film I realized that the French sense of humor, a la Tati, seemed to be based more on visual situations and sound effects. And not surprisingly, that is what Jerry Lewis is all about, am I not right?
Finally, it explained to me the respect Jerry got from French audiences and I started to reevaluate him also. I realized I had probably taken for granted much of his work, and not considered his unique qualities on film.
Does Jerry have an ego? Probably but that is not to deny his talent. Consequently I am totally looking forward to seeing his two nights of films.
The fact that Buddy Love in "The Nutty Professor" was sometimes seen as Jerry's alter ego yet Jerry was the one who put him on film, shows that Jerry does have some self awareness about his image and that makes it okay by me.
*Sorry for ripping off lyrics by Dylan
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You say this like it's a bad thing.
Oh, did it sound like that?
Sorry, I meant it in only the most complimentary way.
P.S. Love your new Marlon visage!
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Memorable character actors…This two-parter looks at great character actors during the golden age of Hollywood.
Along came Polly…A column about Ann Rutherford’s role as Andy Hardy’s girlfriend.
Classic economics…the Great Depression influenced notable directors.
Recommended classics vol. 8…Some great musicals that should not be missed.
The write stuff…When plagiarism occurs in Hollywood, lawsuits happen.
Same characters in different movies…There are characters who get brought back for new movies.
Join me in March!
Being that I love Akim Tamiroff and Brian Donlevy [since I love all former Arrow Collar shirt models] I shall look forward to March, TB!
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Ron Howard has always used his family in his films, including Clint, his father Rance (who got the boys into acting 50-plus years ago), his late mother Jean, his wife Cheryl and their daughters Bryce Dallas and Paige.
Rance Howard and his wife were actors before their sons became involved in the business. Now 87 years old, Howard stays busy with projects. He appeared last month as a mysterious informant in the miniseries version of "The X-Files."
Bryce Dallas was in one of the biggest movies of 2015 -- "Jurassic World -- and gained a lot of attention because of her resemblance to actress Jessica Chastain (I sometimes confuse them myself).
Bryce Dallas Howard and her father Ron
David Duchovny and Rance Howard in the 2016 "My Struggle" episode of FOX's "The X-Files"
By the way, it was a bit of a gag, but Clint Howard received a Lifetime Achievement trophy at the 1999 MTV Movie Awards:
Clint Howard was always willing to give anyone a bite of his sandwich. In this photo he is looking a lot like Dwight Yoakam!
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It has to be at the same time to fit my criteria of the Chaplin Sydrome, darling!
In a similar yet different vein, an actor who could also look like he was crying and laughing at the same time, would be Lon Chaney [senior of course] in "The Unknown".
Remember the scene when he finds out that Joanie has gotten over her fear of men's paws and is falling for Norman Kerry?
Chaney shows both emotions, one to fool them and one that's real.
Spooky!
But then so was his double thumb.
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Norton had a great looking apartment with a nice tv, and up to date furnishings.
Which is why I would always pick Eddie Boy over Ralphie Boy if they were the last two men in the world.
Also Norton had a good sense of humor and I always enjoyed when he would do that thing with his arms, like when he would play pool, and also his Raccoon club lodge calls.
The Kramden's apartment was horrendous. I think Ralph got that stuff from his first wife, played by Pert Kelton before he met Alice.
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I'm not talking about stars and their cars in the body shop, but my first choice was noted for her body.
I nominate Barbara Payton as my star who shined bright for a short while then went into full blown descent in Hollywood, ending up with missing teeth and a concussion and on skid row.
With affairs supposedly with the likes of Steve Cochran and Bob Hope, this lady had a very wide range of taste in men. Her romances with Tom Neal and Franchot Tone also made her a movie magazine favorite but basically ruined her career, amongst other demons and she ended up in "Bride of the Gorilla" with Raymond Burr.
If you check out her earlier movies though, there was talent that could have been honed.
Name your next candidate for this auto-destruction honor.
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It wasn't really a surprise. At age 87 and no competitive Oscar wins, he was the favorite in the category. Still, it was a nice moment.
I'll second that and then add the part where Chris Rock dissed Jade Pinkett Smith, with the Rihanna crack.
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Mr. Gorman, the fact that certain artists committed suicide or were murdered is always in my mind when I watch their movies -always.
Sometimes I am able to get past this and watch a movie anyway, and sometimes I can`t. Usually, I am okay if the film is a comedy or a genre like Noir or war.
But some people I can`t.
This is starting to remind me of the paintings by artist, Rene Magritte wherein he would repaint a famous painting by say, David of Madame Recamier lounging on a chaise longue and Magritte's version would have all elements the same but have a coffin in place of the person depicted. He did these copies of quite a few famous paintings. Here's one to check out of the Jacques Louis David masterpiece:
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In other words, when the star wasn't shooting his scenes, he walked around with his head between his knees.
A picture is worth a thousand words, DGF.
Please supply one of a star with the head in that spot.
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One more time, back to THE APARTMENT.
And in what exact part of the apartment, do you find people laughing and crying at the same time, Down?
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I didn't know that...it's kind of funny ! (I mean, he was ok, obviously he was rescued, otherwise it would NOT be funny. But now I have this image of Gregory Peck with that sea captain's beard, waving his hand up and down as he drifts out to sea on a fake whale....)
What could be worse than being tied to a fake whale???
I gotta agree with you Miss Wonderly, that image is amusing!
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Well, at least she doesn't have to worry about Liz anymore, anyway!!!
They ended up being friends again, Dargo, remember?
Liz said that she had done Debbie a favor in taking Eddie off her hands and then Debbie agreed.
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I'm not sure who wrote it, but a "making of" book accompanied other bric-a-brac in the 50th anniversary box set VHS my daughter's got me for my birthday that year.
Fascinating. I too, would suggest fans of the film to read anything like that if they get the chance.
But not to derail TOO much, but.....
In this film, and some others I've seen from roughly the same period/exotic foreign settings, I've seen the same sort of thing take place....
That would be BIG MEN sipping daintily from dainty little glasses supposedly filled with some kind of liquor, or liqueur. Always sort of tickled me. ALWAYS served very ceremoniously by some fancy-schmantsy looking waiter.
We see this sort of thing when STRASSER and an aide join RENAULT for drinks at Rick's.
Sepiatone
Perhaps they were drinking aperitifs, Sepia?
I bet sophisticated men like Dargo even drink with their little finger uplifted.
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He's my favorite too, Nip [sorry]!
That voice, those eyes, that sneaky demeanor.
What more can one ask for in a film?
He also can whistle well as he does playing murderer Peter Kurten [?] in "M". That "In the Hall of the Mountain King" refrain is still sticking in my mind.
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Thanks for the reminder, TB!
"Swamp Water" is such a great film with all those atmospheric Jean Renoir touches.
Also, "Tales of Manhattan" has the last appearance on film of W.C. Fields as I recall. He looks a bit worse for the wear, but still he is ALWAYS worth viewing!
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I always enjoyed Thaxter's work but it didn't hurt her finding work on tv that her hubby was the head of the network at CBS, I will bet.
It seems to me that she had a daughter named Skye Aubrey who had a brief career.
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I read once that Chaplin had the talent to make one laugh and cry at the same time.
Now perhaps this is not a talent some would want, but I do think one does experience such diametrically opposed emotions during films of Chaplin like the ending of "The Circus" and others.
It's an interesting feeling to have while watching a film, but for the life of me I can't think of too many other performers who bring on such reactions. Keaton might be a possibility?
If you can think of films with this attitude, please report in. I do think the film "Life is Beautiful" had both of these qualities throughout the film, but not specifically always occuring at the same time as Chaplin could accomplish with his set pieces.Can you think of laughing and crying scenes in films that have hit you as being interesting to watch?
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Uh, maybe she was afraid Connie Stevens might be there?
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I think I may be channeling you, Mister Gorman since my mind is aligned so well with your mental meanderings.
For example [and apologies beforehand for using a tv reference and not movie one] every time I have ever watched an old "Donna Reed" episode, I would think that it was odd that the Stone siblings, Mary and Jeff did not look at all alike but then when they introduced the orphan kid, Patty something to the show that she looked exactly like Jeff which probably meant that Doctor Stone, though looking so wholesome was actually cheating on Donna and had an illegitimate kid, and that was this Patty. And of course they had Patty Peterson playing the orphan child to her real brother Paul Peterson.
Loved your oddball and most outre movie connection thoughts!
Here's one that has always entertained me; Tom Conway plays the part of Doctor Louis Judd in both "Cat People" and "The Seventh Victim" though other than the same production team, neither movie is related to the other ostensibly.
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Ealing was always good at the dark comedies, like "Kind Hearts and Coronets" with the insidious goal of the lead in knocking off everyone in front of him in the inheritance line.
Brits seem to have dark comedic tendencies in their blood, which is why I love their movies. Hitchcock as someone has said always had that dark humor. Anyone who would give Tippi Hedren's daughter [Melanie Griffith] as a child a doll of her mother, in a coffin box has a very dark and twisted sense of humor for sure.
I've seen "Heathers" and loved it. Also "The Loved One" but the book is much better.
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I prefer the TV version with Rod Steiger.
Does that you mean you might still talk to me privately, but refuse to be seen with me in public?
Being that I always found David Janssen very attractive, I will both talk to you privately and be seen with you in public too.
I have standards but I am still shallow, and those standards are very low when male pulchritude is involved.
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Well, for the record, I like Marty. It's one of those little 50s American movies that give us a slice of life of what it was like to be an ordinary person living in NYC back then. Or the Bronx, anyway.
Here's the thing about loving a movie: It's very personal. It's so personal - how it makes you feel, why it makes you feel that way, why it's important to you - that it's part of who you are. So when you talk to someone else about it and find out they don't like it, it almost hurts. You like it so much, how can they not? It's like an affront to your values and sensibilities. I think this is why we (well, some of us anyway) feel we can't really trust a person who doesn't love a film that we love. Maybe "trust" is too strong a word...maybe it's more, we feel they're too different from us to have a meaningful friendship.
There's a wonderful poster here, "casablancalover", who started a thread similar to this idea, oh, at least a couple of years ago. It was along similar lines, that it's a disappointing experience, to say the least, if you come out of a movie with a friend and the two of you have opposite reactions to it.
ps: It's a little-known fact that the title "Marty" was inspired by the children's song, "Smarty".
"..smarty, smarty, smarty, thought you had a party...."
Also, screenwriter Paddy Chayefsky had a thing for that English confection known as "Smarties".
I've had Smarties, Miss Wonderly! I was in London in the gift shop of our hotel, looking for M&M type candy and got to try them. Very tasty.
Thanks for a very succinct and thoughtful post. I do not expect everyone to like every movie I like obviously, it's just that with "Marty" I feel that anyone who is not somewhat moved by the story, is a bit obtuse or just has really bad taste or some other psychological issue. It is so unlike other movies and so real, that my mother I think felt it was a good way to find out who one was dealing with. Now if someone has never seen it I will at least give them a chance to view it before I run them out of Dodge City on a rail and with a heater in my hand.
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ANYONE who doesn't get a little misty eyed by the end of THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES and THE APARTMENT would be someone I'd banish from my life.
(...well okay, maybe I wouldn't "banish 'em from my life", but I'd sure begin to wonder what the hell their problem was and caused them to possess such a cold cold heart, anyway)
I love "The Apartment", Dargo so I'm glad I will not be banished. Don't you love "The Apartment" theme that they keep playing during the Tiki bar [or whatever it is?] scenes with the piano guy? Is it Ferrante and Teicher playing the theme?
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The best film of this type, has to be "My Dinner With Andre".
I love to watch them eat and drink while they discuss the world and everything around us.
Some people hate it, but to me it is like a dream within a dream.
Just like when you get into a good conversation with a friend, and the topics start veering off into uncharted territory but are still so fun to indulge in with a like minded individual.
I only watch MDWA every seven years though, as more and I can get bored.
What other movies have similar single-minded approaches to film? I'd like to experience them if you would like to share your oddities.