[Burning Controversy]

Capucine was a "hunk o' burning love". No burning controversy there.

Please tell me you didn't date her, DGF cuz I heard she jumped out of an eighth floor window in despair.

[Too bad I can't watch TCM, I miss it]

Hmmm, let's see. being that your name is Yogi, I will assume you are a male.

 

And being a male, if you like women [or men for that matter] perhaps it would behoove you to sweet talk someone at the TCM message board, who lives in your vicinity, who does get TCM and they will invite you over daily to watch at their house.

 

Don't look at me though, since my mater and pater told me never to have anything to do with men who are frugal particularly about luxuries.

 

Life is too short!

[Need Dargo's help! (Marx query)]

Stephan, I still say that Margaret Mitchell was right when she said her first choice, over Gable, to play Rhett Butler, was Groucho!

 

Who cares if Maureen O'Sullivan did not want to date him?

 

P.S. Was he wearing his beret?

[TCM and Other Sources for Classic Film]

I always watch at least part of "Blackboard Jungle" since I am the treasurer of the Rafael Campos Fan Club, TB.

 

Also love to see Klinger before he changed his name from Jameel Farrar or whatever the cast list says.

 

Thanks, TB!

[Burning Controversy]

This is getting as confusing as is it Caponey or Capone, for Al's last name.

 

Thanks to all who answered!

[Burning Controversy]

cap - poo - cheen

Thanks, Nip! Though she is French the Italian pronunciation seems nicer.

[Role Models]

Well CG, seein' as how you seem to be goin' in a "sinister" route with your pick here, I suppose I'll follow in kind and suggest the character Harry Lime for myself.

 

(...but based pretty much solely on the thought that I also think cuckoo clocks are rather frivolous devices)

 

Your shoes need a good shine, Dargo to be Harry Lime.

 

But the fact your mind is usually in the gutter does agree with the sewer connection, and I mean that in the nicest way!

[Role Models]

Jean Simmons in The Big Country.

Jean Simmons!

 

So lovely...

[Role Models]

I looked on imdb, and the part of the "shop intruder" was played by Barl Garlington. The next year he won the L.A. Film Critic's Society of Excellence Award (the Copper Badger) for best short subject with ANATOMY OF A GHERKIN. Sadly, he was killed the following year while shaving a bear for surgery at the San Diego Zoo.

I heard that Irving Pichel was first choice for the role, but he fell in a vat of vinegar and got sloshed.

 

The director, George Cukor was not too wild about Pichel anyway.

[Role Models]

In THE WIND THROUGH THE VALLEY (1946) with Laird Rodgers and Marianne St. Bastione, there's a scene in a shop with Marianne and Pete Smiffy as the shop owner, and a guy comes in and looks askance at them both and says, "These some cherce bloomers er whaaat?"

 

Well, not that guy.

Absolutely fab choice, Lawrence!

 

Laird Rodgers has always been one of my favorite actors by the way, not so much, Marianne though!

[Golden age: Roll call]

Yes, to understand the mindset of an earlier era is to understand our evolving history as humanity. On a side note, I tend to get rather annoyed when I read reviews from Leonard Maltin or others who every time they write about a PRC or a Monogram feature, they always use the words 'low budget' or 'poverty row' as if to automatically disqualify it from serious legitimate film talk. All those films represent the mindset of the era in which they were produced, regardless of financial factors, and they are all a window into the past and cultural history.

 

But we also have to say that a film like LAURA or SONG OF THE SOUTH should not be over-glorified either. When we see the biases in those texts, we are irresponsible if we gloss over them. It's like saying racism or homophobia or sexism or any other kind of social ill is acceptable because 'that's the way it was back then' (a phrase that is recklessly used by modern audiences who try to excuse ignorance).

I don't have a problem with reviews by Leonard Maltin, TB since I've never thought he had any credibility as a reviewer of films anyway.

 

Don't we all remember how Billy Gray had to sue him to remove false information about him from Maltin's review of a movie Gray was in. Shoddy research, silly reviews, and pedestrian writing by Leonard, long ago removed Maltin from my reading lists.

 

Personally I think he is a bit of a hack and has no credentials to review anything on film.

 

But for those who love him, love on!

 

P.S. All your other less volatile points are well made and I so agree.

[Bela Lugosi's Homes]

Bela moved around a lot, especially in the 1930s and 40s. I was able to find some pictures of his houses as they used to be, and went by to take pictures of what they look like now.  It's crazy how much disparity there is in the quality and size of his homes. He goes from small apartments before Dracula, to very large homes, and then back to smaller apartments again. I put all the addresses and pictures I had in a video here: 

 

 

Wasn't Bela's real house used in the film by Ed Wood?

[Burning Controversy]

My film friends and I are having a dispute.

 

Please solve this for us.

 

What is the proper pronunciation for the name of the actress, Capucine?

Please give us a phonetic rendering and give sources for its veracity since everyone is sure they are right and won't believe anyone else without good proof.

 

Thanks in advance!

[Lillian Gish movies]

Of course I love Lillian in TNOTH, but I also dig her what with the frozen eyelashes crossing the ice floes in WDE. I think that was cinematographer Billy Bitzer who worked for Griffith and that scene makes the whole film.

 

But my favorite film of Lillian's is "The Scarlet Letter". Second fave is "The Wind".

[Art in Movies]

"Angels and Demons" (2009) 

 

 

The top picture is of the "Ecstasy of Saint Teresa" by Bernini and I saw it while in Italy but not because I was into the movie "Angels and Demons. I prefer the original book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" which referenced the Mary Magdalene connection, rather than the somewhat ripped off Dan Brown version of events.

[Need Dargo's help! (Marx query)]

Thanks.  That's one I DON'T have on tape or disc  

 

And I'm STILL finding fascination that any Marx exchange was found in a public school textbook!  I'm also still running across youngsters who either think all them Marx Brothers movies were silents,  or many who've never HEARD of them!

 

Something sorely lacking in our schools these days....

 

Sepiatone

Groucho is an American treasure and surely should be celebrated in schools.

 

Or maybe a Groucho History Month might be preferable....hmmm?

[Role Models]

Get it?

 

Role model in films. The person you would most like to be.

 

For me, it has to be Sue Ann Stepanek in "Pretty Poison".

 

Okay, so she is a bit deadly and guilty of offing a few folks, but ya gotta admit that being around her is a lot of fun. So far I have not followed her lead and iced anyone but there is still time.

 

Plus I always liked Tuesday Weld and she played the part to perfection.

 

Okay, so who is your "role" model in films that you emulate or would like to emulate but are chicken?

[Need Dargo's help! (Marx query)]

I recall the following exchange from a Jr. high school literature textbook when the subject of puns and word play came up in one section.

 

It's between Groucho and Chico, but the book never acknowledged which film it was from.

 

Years later, I believe I saw the film, but also don't recall.. But a bit more backstory------

 

I first read it in that book when my OLDER BROTHER was in Jr. high, (four years older) and he left the book behind( and also left the school wondering what became of it!)  when he moved out to California to live with our biological father for a few years.  I always got a kick out of it, and all these years later, also never forgot it.

 

Goes like this:

 

Groucho:  "Now we're going to talk about taxes."

 

Chico:  "I gotta brother lives there."

 

Groucho:  "Where?"

 

Chico:  He live inna Texas."

 

Groucho:  "No.  I'm talking about TAXES.  You know...money.  Dollars."

 

Chico :  "At'sa right.  He live inna Dallas Texas!"

 

Heh....yeah....

 

Loved the brothers since I can remember.  And it kinda cricks my back to say this, but I can recall most of those "You Bet Your Life"  shows when they originally aired.

 

So.......can you help?

 

 

Sepiatone

Dargo. Schmargo!!!

 

Who needs him, though he is quite the man.

 

We of the Female Fans of Groucho will tell you that it is from the movie "Duck Soup".

 

If you don't believe me just go ask Melissa Marx or George Fenneman.

[News about Robert Osborne]

Thanks, Helen!

 

Here's hoping Robert is back and in good health very soon as he will be missed!

[Golden age: Roll call]

Yes. I don't care for scenes that seem quite politically incorrect by modern standards. However, I am not in favor of censorship, unless we are censoring things that threaten human life. So in this case, when we put something like LAURA side by side with SONG OF THE SOUTH, we make it available to modern audiences but we shouldn't glorify it as a culturally valuable work of art. Instead, we should see how minority groups are depicted according to the hegemonist view of white straight men who made these films. It's startling to watch, and it had to be startling for minority viewers to watch on screen when the films were first presented in the 1940s.

Gee, I feel compelled to answer any post which references the word "hegemony" just because it is such a great word and says so much so economically.

 

I too, like you, TB like to watch my films undiluted, no matter what the subject matter. I read "Mein Kampf" for just such a reason, as how can one understand something unless they see it as it was first presented. It seems to me that I've read that "The Diary of Anne Frank" was bowdlerized  and things that some thought were a bit unseemly, removed. That bothers me, since if I want to understand Anne Frank I want the whole truth.

 

What bothers me more in films, though I still watch them is, hagiography-type biopics. The use of the word "hegemony' made me think of this term, and Hollywood is so often guilty of it. For example, in "The Agony and the Ecstasy" we find Michelangelo as portrayed by Charlton Heston, totally enraptured by some female, when anyone who has read of him knows that he would more likely be dating Raphael Sanzio than a woman of Firenze. But I digress.

 

A film, no matter if its content is not currently politically correct, should be shown as is, or one will never be able to understand the mindset of its makers and their time period is my heartfelt belief. And that is why I watch movies, to get a glimpse of a past I was not living in.

[This is a Website About Movies and the Movie Industry, I Thought]

There are some beautiful photographs in a few  of threads in the off-topic section started by Jake Holman that I want to follow.  I've responded to the so that I do get updates when  Jake posts new photographs.  I'd hate to miss them.

 

Maybe I could look at the New Content section through a filter of just items I have participated in and then otherwise check out individual forums for new threads.

 

 

Again, I joined at the end of January, just so people know how new here I am.

Hey. GPF!

 

Though I try to talk mostly about movies here, being that my favorite movie is Antonioni's "L'Avventura" I tend to go off-topic occasionally just like the storyline in that movie, where the woman on the boating trip goes missing and after a few minutes, she is totally forgotten, just like I tend to forget the original purpose of my posts.

 

Oops! If my posts have ever given you dyspepsia, please forgive me. I will blame Dargo for my bad behaviour since he brings out the Margaret Dumont in me often and I am forced to respond in a jocular manner.

 

I do occasionally look in the "Off Topic" post section, since I find it a bit amusing, but since I believe in the secret ballot I try to never reveal my political proclivities even anonymously.

 

So glad you joined TCM's message board and please post more about your movie taste and thoughts!

[Deja Vu All Over Again]

"Thought better of it"?

 

You say that as though the comment would have been in bad taste.

Not in "bad taste" but in the sense that I was endorsing being "heroin chic".

[TCM's Inner Circle]

What they call T.M.I.I. (translated as too much internet information).

And here I thought T.M.I.I. meant "the man is insane".

 

Thanks, TB for the clarification!

[Golden age: Roll call]

During filming, Webb tried the old "could you please help me

find the soap? I think it fell to the bottom of the tub" routine,

but Dana didn't fall for it. He just kept on trying to get the

little metal ball into second base.

Duh, mea culpa!

 

I don't know what I was on when I read the original post about Clifton hitting on his co-star, but my brain registered "Andrews" as "Tierney" so of course my confusion about Webb.

 

I get it now. 

[Art in Movies]

Slayton, I so enjoyed reading your post. I find that often in a well made film, that the art on the walls might be there for help in an interpretation of the characters.

 

In "The Apartment" one sees the artwork of Henri Rousseau in the abode of  C.C. Baxter [Jack Lemmon]. The painting that one sees during the stay of Fran Kubelik [shirley MacLaine] is "The Sleeping Gypsy" and I think that its theme of the gypsy lying on the ground with the lion looking over the seeming corpse is indicative of Fran's deal with her boss, Mr. Sheldrake [Fred MacMurray].

 

I think great directors often pick art in their films which elucidate parts of the exegesis.
 

I actually enjoy films with art, but that are not about artists more, because the biopics are more obvious choices for the art, though "Lust for Life" or some like it can be the exception.

 

Great topic!