CaveGirl

I love her...any other fans here???

"La Chienne" by Jean Renoir. That's my vote!

Okay, from year one in the Fifties' pantheon but still fab. I vote for Barbara Stanwyck in "No Man of Her Own" [1950] to add to the list.

Any other fans here? I mean, that girl was just dastardly in all those Shirley Temple films. Really could run the gamut from mean to diabolical and was as nasty as Ernest Torrence in his prime. By the way, I've seen "The Way We Were" a couple times and having never remembered her in it, decided to watch it full tilt last nite scouring each scene for her in it, as she is supposed to have played Peggy Vanderbilt and yet...I still did not spot her. Does anyone know in what scene she is, and does she ever speak??? Thanks for any assistance!

This is a movie, with all my movie watching...that I never wanted to see. It seemed from the synopsis, kind of boring. But recently I decided to watch, just because yes, I do think Geraldine Page is magnificent. I can never forget her performance in that Christmas tale by Truman Capote, called "A Christmas Memory" which was on tv and all her other great assorted roles. But back to DH. Well, after a slow beginning, one can really get into the "heart" of the story and she totally brings that character to life. She seems a bit pathetic at the beginning and I was shocked at how callous Ford seemed to be to her, which was a state of mind not usually shown on film. But it takes one a while to realize what a really good hearted and lovely human being she is, since she seems shallow and a bit goofy at first. The scene of her leaving the hotel at the end and saying goodbye to all the employees, who obviously really like her... is touching. Great film, too bad I was prejudiced against it for years but finally got to enjoy it thanks to TCM.

Watch! That's all I'm saying. You'll thank me later. And if you don't, well I just feel sorry for you. I think it was Jean-Luc Godard who said the film was "the world...in an hour and a half". So true.

Right on! I always watch the Alastair version, which so far is the really only valid rendering of the role onfilm. I usually love Albert Finney but that version is...well kind of horrid, if you compare to Alastair in the part. Not Finney's fault really, just too young to be valid. And yes, Tiny Tim is only believable and sweetly enchanting [without making one sickly] in the 1951 film. That one hits all the spots and has so many fab character actors like Ernest Thesiger and Hermione Baddeley [sp?]. What a wonderful film. Alastair can be dastardly nasty and then ingenuously kind and caring, with it not seeming too quick a change due to his acting chops. I even watched the Seymour Hicks' version out of curiosity. Not so bad and maybe better than Reginald Owen, who was kind of sad in the part. Terry Kilburn made me want to see Herbert Khoury in the role, or whatever Mister "Tiptoe Through the Tulips" real name is... Just think...with him in the role, Miss Vicky could have played one of Bob Cratchett's kiddies!

I love Ben Mankiewicz! A great counterpoint to Osborne and he's a sly wit and raconteur plus has Hollywood antecedents. I have no beef with TCM and their schedule or choices. It's the best free thing I've ever received since I got a library card when I was seven. I think their choices of programming are mostly impeccable and cover the gamut of movie classics and non-classics, even if they do sometimes show a few films too often for some folks' tastes. They are showing tonight, one of the greatest films ever made, in my opinion..."Au Hasard Balthazar" which is NEVER shown on television and I bet the general public have mostly never even heard of it. Any channel which shows that movie is A-Okay with me for time immemorial. I would not complain about getting a gratis Cordon Bleu meal, just because the napkin was a bit wrinkled.

What!? I'm only gone a short time and I missed "vitriol" being spewed. Being that there are movies which feature folks who occasionly spew vitriol, like Clifton Webb in "Laura" or anyone in "All About Eve" especially Bette's maid, I kind of enjoy it. But I will stand firm against foul language, as it is totally unnecessary in getting one's disdain across, if one is even partially literate. Of course if not...well, then that explains things. I feel way too many people now in public and on boards, use a particular word that starts with F and has three additional letters, as an adjective or adverb, when it is more properly used as a verb.

"Baby Doll"! What a great film. I mean really, one of the best, if not only Gothic Comedies ever made and I believe that was the classification its own author gave it, which I found so perfect the first time I heard old Tom say it. Eli Wallach! Fab and poor old Karl is just outclassed every time by the interloper...

Sepiatone, thanks for bringing up Henry Morgan! Was there ever a more cynical or grotchedy, yet infinitely amusing man on tv. Well maybe, but truly that Henry Morgan was a riot. Watching him be so incendiary and constantly vile, was a real highlight of the show. I can only wonder what his mother and father were like. I also always wondered if he had a bad nose job. He kind of looked like that Wayne Knight who played Newman on "Seinfeld" with brilliantined hair.

Yes, good one, King! Didn't know the Cooper one...thanks!

Forget about Ruby and the big picture that blinds one, look at the small details. Things to think about...why was the Dallas parade route changed by the Mayor the morning of the motorcade and who high up in the government was he related to. Why were the ambulance drivers and owner of the O'Neal Funeral Home hearse pushed out of the way by the Secret Service for the drive to the airport with Kennedy's corpse. Why did officials come to the Miller Funeral Home and make the mortician for Oswald, step outside while they finger and palm printed Oswald, as surely that would have been done already at the station. Interestingly the word that Oswald's palmprint was on the twelve-buck Mannlicher Carcano rifle was announced only after that. How did James Jesus Angleton of the CIA play a part and how is it that Oswald was speaking perfect Russian immediately after supposedly being a defector, and could he have been trained in a special services unit. Does one really believe, as Bill O'Reilly might, that if you ask the CIA to open all their files to see if anyone was a low-level operative, that they are going to comply honestly. Why was the well-trained Dallas coroner prevented by force and drawn guns of the Secret Service at doing an autopsy on Kennedy, but the job was given to two doctors at Bethesda who was mostly classroom teachers and not autopsy specialists. Even Cyril Wecht knows how ridiculous this proposition seems. The body of Kennedy was placed in the casket in Dallas in an expensive coffin with sheets wrapped around him, according to the last technicians and doctors, yet the staff in Washington who were first to see the body state unequivocally that he was in a cheap shipping coffin and put in a disaster-like body bag. Sure...maybe Oswald did shoot him alone, but there are many many facts on record that make that supposition suspicious and just because Jim Garrison was a bit of a hot dog, does not make one any more complacent about the strange happenings if they really choose to want to know the truth. Gotta also wonder why the Dallas force had no trouble immediately ID'ing Oswald by name, address and service record on live tv, but when it came to telling Jack Ruby's name, who they all knew from various interactions, they stonewalled and acted as if they had never heard of him, like the Sheriff who finally stated his name on tv, acting mystified as how to pronounce it. Great mystery though and almost as good as who was Jack the Ripper! I wonder if anyone would like to make a movie of it...haha! Edited by: CaveGirl on Nov 26, 2013 4:38 PM

Haha...tricked you, as this is really about age appropriate actors and actresses in films. This topic came to mind while I was watching Susan Hayward emote recently on TCM as Lillian Roth. In walked her supposed mama, played by Jo Van Fleet. I thought..."Wait a minute here, I can't believe that she is old enough to be Susan's mommy!' So I went checking in some of my old film encyclopedias and sure enough, Jo was born in 1914 and Susan in 1917, so this must be the earliest pregnancy on film ever! I had thought that the most ridiculous mother/child scenario on film was Jessie Royce Landis to Cary Grant, since she was born in 1896 and Archie, I mean Cary in 1904, which means she conceived at 8 but now this landmark of humorous birthing has been eclipsed. I learned my lesson though about consulting my old books, with the Shirley Booth age, and now think that many of these former stars lied for years about their original ages and only now are some of the real birth years being discovered and put online or on IMDB, what with the Find a Grave websites and all. I still defy them to come up with ages for the Gabor sisters, including Magda as Zsa Zsa lied so much even Hungary is probably flummoxed as to the real dates. Anyone having any other silly tidbits about ridiculous age connections on film, feel free to submit for my enjoyment! Thanks in advance...

Thanks to WBS, Dougie, Terrence, Joe and Roverrocks for mentioning some good choices and a few I want to revisit. Vertigo, you are so right about time and tide doing in JMV. He went from being a pretty boy to, uh well...a competitor for the Jack Elam Award. What the heck happened? If this is what drink, drugs and fighting do to one, I shall be stopping today. Actually...no drugs have ever entered my system since I am way out without needing any artificial stimulation.

Thanks, darkblue for your most astute and interesting comments! I only saw SC once. It was a good movie and I still remember the scene at the cattlecar part. Don't know if I need to see it again but I understand your point...haha!

I am a total Kennedy Assassination addict, yet I watched none of TCM's movies about him. But I have no problem with the fact that they showed them. Shoot, who cares if one whole night at TCM is taken up with a topic one is not interested in? Could one not find other things to occupy oneself and go read an actual book, or visit a friend or make a fancy dinner and stop limiting others from perhaps seeing something that might be new to them or informative? Does one's whole world revolve around the programming at TCM and should TCM have to satisfy everyone at all times which is impossible, as Abraham Lincoln once so sagely said, and who also was assassinated, probably for voicing such a sane comment on the vox populi? I would welcome a whole night of Marcelle Marceau clips on TCM if it would make twenty fans in the viewing audience happy for one night. One night in over fifty years to show films about Kennedy that probably are never seen much on tv, from that time period and shortly thereafter seems to be acceptable. And since they also celebrate James Dean's birth and death in cult circles, I think one needs to get a grip on why Ides of March ceremonial remembrances are perhaps odious but common. Now back to my perusal of the Warren Report fantasy... Edited by: CaveGirl on Nov 23, 2013 2:19 PM

May I ask why Jerry was paying a longtime assistant who was "forging" his signature, under his official auspices of employment? Just curious...

Speaking of Everett Sloane, I once read that after CK he was told to continue his career it might be nice to get a nose job, I mean rhinoplasty. So he did and from then on, he always looked so angry to me in films. Not that this was a problem as it worked fine in the parts he played and he was always superb. But then the legend was, that he never could look in a mirror and feel he was seeing himself, and he eventually committed suicide. It's funny, I like his looks so much more in Kane, and think he looked better and cuter with the bigger proboscis. Anyone agree and anyone else hear this tale before?

I can understand every British Isles actor in films or on tv. But I do listen intently to dialogue and am not hard of hearing. Why I can hear an ant walk across a newspaper in the room next to me. But one has to listen to inflections, particularly if one is watching something with some major dialects being bandied about like in that PBS show, "All Creatures Great and Small". Frankly, I find it less difficult to understand any British actors than some American ones who are illiterate and mumble and speak in guttural tones and sound like dogs in heat. And no, I'm not talking about darling Marlon, who only spoke like that when it fit the part, but more recent people on film.

I totally agree with you, Kidd. I only meant that the title alone, makes me remember it was Serling's work. While I'm watching it, I never think of Serling and am only absorbed by the drama. And I also agree with you, that though he became more well known for tales with a bit of otherworldly presence, his first shots on television anthology shows or play settings, were very much attuned to everyday occurences in the work world or in human relationship issues. And yes, he certainly was good at his craft. Gotta love also all those pithy intros he wrote for TZ which only he was good at delivering with his unique mannerisms and vocal phrasing. But that's another story...

because it was too good! Okay, I saw a film many moons ago which to me epitomizes what a great drive-in movie should be like. I've never heard of it again, it is never mentioned anywhere I travel online* as a great film and seems to have no following. But when I saw it, I found it devastating. The film was called "Buster and Billie". You would never from the cast think it is any great shakes, as no one famous but Jan-Michael Vincent was in it I think. I shall give my synopsis totally from a one-time viewing, so excuse any inaccuracies and don't tell me where I'm wrong as it might make me suicidal. Spoilers alert! As I recall, the film is set in a small Southern town, rather rural. There is a girl in school called Billie who seems sweet but lives shall we say, on the wrong side of the tracks and becomes for the guys in high school the most willing partner for backwoods romance. Somehow she makes the acquaintance of Buster who is one of most popular boys in school, probably since a liaison with her is recommended by his buddies. What is interesting about this film, is...the romance is played out in a backward fashion. The first encounter between B and B is a major one, but then as times goes on, Buster starts to view Billie as more than a conquest and treats her little by little as a girlfriend, and less happens between them each time they go out except for caring gestures and real conversations. Then tragedy occurs...because Buster has now romantically removed the other guys outlet for easy sexual encounters, they want him to dump Billie for good. What happens next, I shall not reveal... I remember the ending but won't post it here. At least I think I remember it but that's beside the point. This movie was so good, and my memories of it so strong and complimentary that I don't think I ever want to see it again, and ruin my perception of it. Maybe it was not as good as I thought but who cares. So what movie do you not want to ever see again because it was so fabulous and, because it just might change your opinion? *yes I know it is listed with some brief comments on IMDB, but I'm saying overall it is not highly praised or mentioned much amongst film forums Edited by: CaveGirl on Nov 9, 2013 3:10 PM

That song in "Grease" always freaks me out. I find it eerie when I think that the first time Sandra Dee heard it, she'd probably be thinking about how she was molested by her family member, was it her stepfather or father, and how off her image was in the public eye to inspire such a song. I read that book about Darin and just can't remember all the details. Something like that Dee's mother first was hitting on Darin but he was interested in Sandra, and that she had maybe been hit on by her mother's beau or hubby or whatever and then to compound things Darin finds out that who he thinks is his mother is really his sister and this should all be made into a Lifetime movie. Yes I know I should go google this but I'm sure someone here will correct my version of the facts. But knowing all that perversity was going on makes the lines "look at me I'm Sandra Dee, loaded with virginity" a bit creepy to me. As for Dean, I had the privilege of being in his bedroom in Indiana. My friend was friends with his cousin, Mark who kind of looked like him grown up and we visited the house Dean grew up in. I got to see Jimmy's broadway statuette award, which was cool and meet his high school teacher Adeline. They really celebrate Dean in Indiana and revere his image as a hometown boy who was well loved. Edited by: CaveGirl on Nov 9, 2013 2:20 PM

I agree, the two words that "Patterns" brings to my mind are...Rod Serling. Incomparable writer and had the pulse of the nation at his fingertips as he typed. I also love Paddy Chayefsky but that's another story. "Patterns" makes you really sense the quiet desperation of the employees in the management positions. Great film!

Dear Finance, And similarly I find that for me, Italian actors in all Italian cast films are harder for me to understand. Of course I don't speak Italian, which might be the problem!