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Tonight we celebrate the greatest use of infrared film, in Kalatozov's "I Am Cuba".
What a masterpiece! The crane shot at the pool descending into the water and then off to the nighclub with Los Saphiros SP? is incredible.
Also Oshima's "The Insect Woman" is on tonight and having only seen his amazing "In the Realm of the Senses" I cannot wait.
What are you looking forward to this week, besides the great horror flicks planned for the weekend like "The Tingler" and "Horror Hotel"?
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Let's not even go into Rock Hudson's marriage, as anyone who saw that former wife in her tv interview, would have to think she was missing a few potatoes in her chowder. As I recall, she said Rock would go off to bars and out with his male friends and not come home all night, that she made him go see a therapist and the doc told her Rock had the mentality of a 12 year old boy, and yet she still persisted in trying to save the marriage. This is all from memory but I should go to Youtube and see if the interview is preserved. She denied that the marriage was a set-up, as wasn't she working for Rock's press agent...but I think she was just a bit deluded and not in on the gag, so was telling the truth from her viewpoint but was very naive.
But back to the topic at hand, all one need do to figure out "Tea and Sympathy" is go back to the author, Robert Anderson's own life story, which included a stint at I think, Harvard where he had the same experience with an older woman. By the way, looking at old pics of him in the mid-1950's, he is a dead ringer for John Kerr in many ways.
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Sans Fin, every time I see that Bacon Bits commercial I'll be thinking of nude men from now on!
I'm totally digging all these very fascinating comments from posters here. All have validity and add to my understanding.
Speaking of phallic wit, yes...David Niven showed his after that streaker tried to steal the AA show but failed miserably.
Now back to Youtube as I'm enjoying watching old clips of honorary AA winners receiving their trophies, like Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Cary and Deborah Kerr.
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Finance, please tell me what K-Mart you shop at as I want to visit it as soon as possible.
I will be shopping in the men's department for ties, if you'd like to meet?
Be sure to bring that credit card you tout...
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Oops, I had the wrong time.
Obviously I missed it, after staying up half the night watching Val Lewton films. Which is sad since I own the boxed set of all of them.
But I also own Fu on dvd, so witll watch it later tonite.
Sorry I misled you. It is a fab film!
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Speaking of Vincent, I am so enjoying John Waters' little tribute to him that TCM has been showing this month. You can tell that Waters is a true fan and not some Johnny Come Lately. When he talks about his love for the Tingler and how he enjoyed just hearing Price's voice, you know he means it from the bottom of his heart.
As he says so succinctly in his monologue, all people liked Price and his appeal was widespread. I have an older relative who used to work at a local tv station, and I was so pleased to hear her say that of all the celebrities who she had ever met promoting something on her channel in the 1960's, that Vincent Price was the nicest and most kind and fun person who she had ever had to deal with...
I bet he was a lot nicer than Will Rogers who said he never met a man he did not like. When asked what she thought of Will Rogers, Maureen O'Sullivan said that you notice that Will never said he never met a woman he didn't like...
N'uf said...
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Hey, Roverrocks, thanks for enjoying one of the movies I most recommend as an unknown classic!
Saw this many years ago and felt that the clean-cut, wholesome Janet Blair was so perfect in this role. It brought a new dimension to said kinds of witchy women, because usually they are played by folks like Barbara Steele and having someone so Americana was just inspiration and made it more frightening.
I mean if Janet Blair could be a woman working spells in the kitchen, who knows what one's neighbor ladies were doing during their bridge game off-time.
The film also starred Kathleen Byron, who is notable as the mad, mad nun from "Black Narcissus" and that Margaret Johnson ? chick is also spooky as heck. Very atmospheric film and have you ever seen Curtis Harrington's "Night Tide" which has a similar feel?
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If I recall correctly, Mackie there is some kind of pun in the original Russian title of "Crime and Punishment".
And yes, having read many of Dostoevsky's books during one of my most morbid periods, I will say he definitely had a handle on the dark side. Unlike Ellroy though, he did not continually dwell on the same subject matter over and over, which is probably why he is considered so much of a better writer and one cannot even mention both in the same breath.
The movie with William Shatner as a Brother Karamazov, kind of amused me but the Lorre film is arresting, and I'm not making a pun!
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Spiritualism goes way back and one only need look to Madame Blavatsky for inspiration.
I was laughing during the seance scene in TCOTD last nite, and thought it definitely was supposed to be noted as being full of baloney.
I've always wondered a bit about Conan Doyle and his trusting views about this topic, even with all the debunking done by Houdini but then again, CD fell for that fairy fakery so why be surprised.
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Thanks to all and particularly Sans Fin for the most clinical theory regarding the dichotomy between male and female nudity in American films.
Though many of the points made reflected truth concerning such, as in that it could be just a marketing issue with more men wanting to see females nude on screen, my most salient point was concerning that even if that is true, which is why many woman actors in American films from the 1970's on were nude, it just seems totally ludicrous that the man in the same scene is clothed if we expect a logical milieu of continuity in any film.
So many American films give the impression that "something" has occurred between the couple, yet when they both emerge from the sheets the only one who would appear to have no obstacles in attire to prevent ****...is the female! The guy is so covered up he could probably go to K-Mart right from bed and not be arrested.
And that old bit of the guy wrapping the bedsheet around him to go get coffee or attend to other things does get old. I think that IACY shows that not all cultures have such restrictions on showing nude men or take such great care in camouflaging their skyclad bodies, as do the American film cultures, and I will attribute that to the men in charge of purveying films in the USA and not the fault of the viewers or their tastes.
And the fact that this treatment has been so pervasive shows something about the American attitude in Hollywood toward sex, that the men are much more reticent about exposing themselves. What that means intrinsically and psychologically, I will leave to others to explore...
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Incredible movie, as you say, SF.
I might watch even though I have it on dvd.
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I'm just wondering exactly how "intimate" this portrait will be?
There are some aspects of Leigh's life that I'm curious if the author will be going into, or if this is going to be the typical glossing over type of biography.
I have not been very pleased with many of the touted bios that get promoted in the last few years, that seem to have authors who know little about their subject matter and just do minor research.
Thanks for the heads up, Sue Sue!
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Geminigirl, you are always welcome to go off topic in my threads and in fact it is encouraged. And thanks for agreeing with me about the dichotomy in the nude standards.
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Okay, james...I lied.
I'm just a typical female, go read the Kinsey Report.
I would like to see nude men on film, but just attractive ones.
Due to the chronic and queasy Puritan standards of our American society for eons, it is considered normal for women to walk around undraped in films while the men go about the same business of cavorting sexually, but all attired from head to foot.
Okay, the occasional chest is exposed. What a drag!
Speaking of drag, the only way women in the US might have gotten to see unadorned males on film in the 1950's or 1960's would be to watch some Kenneth Anger experimental films.
I'm off right now to go enjoy "Kustom Kar Kommandos" on Youtube, which has more erotic appeal just watching a cute guy maintaining his car than most Hollywood films of the time. And doesn't he look cute with his pink powder puff and the dreamy background song by the Paris Sisters.
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After reading 28Silent's post on Mark Cousins about IACY, I got to thinking about the difference between foreign films and American films of the same periods in this context of sex scenes and nudity.
In IACY, both the guy and the girl are unclothed and totally exposed to the camera continually. Yet in American films of that time and later, it seems that the powers that be have always dictated a certain ironic style which causes the female to be totally unclothed, shown getting up from bed or the like...yet the male partner will remove the covers and still be wearing his footed jammies with pictures of Bugs Bunny on them!
Why the double standard? Methinks it is due to a chronic American hypocrisy about such things, and also due to idiotic men running the film productions and being afraid of their own vulnerabilities being exposed. I've always wondered in such films of the 1960's,1970's and later, how the male managed to have sex with his nude female partner, through his flannel briefs...since that was the ostensible message being promoted by the romance scenes of routine arousal.
Anyone else here find such things ridiculous? It seems to be a USA phenomenom to keep the males clothed and with giant fig leaves on whilst the chicks are walking around in flagrante delicto and bespeaks some weird kind of propriety and false sense of modesty, which is alarmingly foul in my opinion and silly too.
Now one movie I remember, which of course was not a typical US production and was mostly British made I believe, was "Clockwork Orange", which played the whole American game of having the protagonist stand nude before a table of objects so he would be appear to be nude but remain covered, as many American films did countless times, but then shocked the audience by finally lifting the veil of this deceit and having a full frontal shot of Malcolm MacDowell in the nude in this prison scene.
Now I could care less about seeing any men in the altogether on screen, I just find the American preoccupation with only showing the females but not the males in the same state as being myopically juvenile and pathetic. Kind of like watching a certain tv news channel in which all the news males are covered to the nth degree, but the news women are hanging out of their dresses like Jayne Mansfield and wear skirts so short they would do Twiggy proud.
Agree or disagree that American films have a double standard on nudity?
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Dear Roverrocks, did you call the TCM programmers "wussy"???
Thanks for the laugh of the day...
They probably did change the time due to content issues, being more racy but I am sorry that this conflicts with your schedule, particularly since you and I were about the only viewers who liked the show.
How many more episodes are there? I sure hope Marky Mark does not actually discuss films from the 1980's and 1990's as then I will be tuning out, and dropping out.
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I do not want an avatar. I have enough trouble dealing with my multiple personalities already and Bridey Murphy is coming in now so I have to go...
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Well, Dobbsy...I watched all of IACY and it only confirmed what Wilhelm Reich had been saying all along about Orgone Energy and the connection between sex and revolution.
Now I'd direct you to some of his books, if you are not into him but I think most of them are still banned.
I could have recorded this film, but decided to make myself stay up and watch it, and some parts of it were kind of interesting. Like when the characters begin arguing and make it obvious that they are just actors and not really living the scenes. All the political rhetoric seemed to be filler for the sex scenes or maybe the sex scenes were filler for the prosaic proselytizing.
All in all, though I am very tired today as I got only three hours of sleep, it was a good experience and the film did not really seem to be sexually motivated but it was just the glue which gave the director the license to spout forth his views on ideological issues. Kind of like how Ed Wood's "PNFOS" was an insurrectionist take on the validity of extraterrestial visitations masked by an idiotic script and fake tombstones as a distraction.
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Ah, Dargo poor baby...were people here castigating you for not liking Cousins by throwing out American-centric digs to hurt you?
Just think about other famous folks who withstood the pressures of the masses being not in agreement with them, like Billy Mitchell, and if you are not aware of his dilemma you can always ask TCM to show the movie.
Also, people who others totally approved of...like Charles Lindbergh ended up doing strange things like being part of that Ledensborn movement in Germany, oh shoot, don't know how to spell it...sorry.
Did I mention that Chico was my least favorite Marx brother, even after Gummo???
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Geez, Dargo...I hope you don't walk like Marion Mor...I mean, The Duke when you do your impression.
His walk was kinda wimpy, all twisted and he would sort of list to one side, even when he is walking out the front door in The Searchers.
Actually one of the best John Wayne imitations is in the original The Bird Cage or La Cage, et cetera.
That French guy did a mean Duke!
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Thanks, Sans Fin for the Monster's Lullaby!
And Kingrat, I have by choice never seen TSOM, or as my friend Mike calls it, The Sound of Mucus.
I actually think I got an aversion to it due to being at all the rehearsals of the play, in my high school senior year.
One can only hear "You Are Sixteen Going on Seventeen" one-hundred times, and not start going crazy though I really do admire all the works by Richard Rodgers so I still might watch someday.
I also think after having read a book about what a horrid woman Maria really was, and how she liked to torture the poor Trapp children and make them walk up and down the hills carrying water pails, I could never enjoy the movie whitewashing...
She obviously looked little like the wonderful Julie Andrews nor acted like her in real life, probably due to her incarceration in the convent!
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Arturo, I think we are on some harmonic convergence as just yesterday I started thinking about Florence Lawrence BEING the Biograph girl.
There was some big picture of her in an old film book I had, discussing this occurrence.
Poor Mary, I loved her in films but just cannot ever get out of my head that horrid appearance she made on the Academy Awards show way back, when hubby Buddy Rogers opened the door to their home and she seemed mummy-like in her little speech. But this is not to defame her great film career and other accomplishments, but is more of a pan to bad Hollywood plastic surgery of the times...
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Really now?
No, Cary Grant with some Judy, Judy, Judy?
Does your Ronald Colman sound like that bird on the cereal commercials? Don Adams did do a great William Powell.
I'd rather hear you do someone like...Jack Holt.
Now that would be cool.
Bizarrely, I do a good John Wayne, remember that "Stand where ya are or ya dead where ya stand."
I wonder if Mark Cousins could do some Barry Fitzgerald or Arthur Shields or maybe more interestingly, Una O'Connor?
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Aw, thanks, Heuriger! That was fun to watch.
But now I feel kind of sad. I mean that kid was an incredible actor and why is he not being used now more. Perhaps he doesn't even care but if David Lynch would just make a new movie, I bet he could find a good, meaty part for Billy and revive his career.
I mean, look how he unearthed Michael Parks, Richard Boehmer, Piper Laurie, and others from their self-imposed retirements.
Geez, I wonder if Russ Tamblyn is still working...
TEA AND SYMPATHY, a wonderful movie....
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No offense, Hibi and what do I know but I gotta go with Top Billed's belief that she did not know of Rock's orientation.
She seemed denser than pound cake mixed with concrete, when I saw her interviewed. She probably also would not have thought Liberace was gay...
Or even Rip Taylor, for that matter.
One must have eyes to see, and actually open them occasionally and this chick seemed out of touch with reality, but I believe she was telling the truth about believing it was a true marriage. At least on her part, though this does not negate that she agreed to the concept of dating Rock apropos of her boss's instigations.
Edited by: CaveGirl on Oct 22, 2013 4:14 PM