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32 minutes ago, MotherofZeus said:
Is there really, "Trump: The Movie?" and if so, is it a farce or homage? I liked the comment because I thought there was disdain implied. If said person was admiring said Orange Being, I must retract my admiration of the original comment.
No, but there is one called "Trump: The Moves" which was filmed at the Playboy Mansion, during his pursuit of Stormy Daniels and some other, ahem...porn stars.
I do agree with you that "disdain" is best "implied" and not laid on thick, as it can be appreciated more when some don't get it, which creates additional mirth.
"Orange Beings from Outer Space" would be a good title for a sci-fi flick!
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Ya got me, Jakeem! I forgot [or tried to forget] that Shields was in other films than "The Blue Lagoon" or the endlessly not ending "Endless Love". I was afraid someone might mention them...
Malle's "Pretty Baby" is actually a good film, which I forgot Shields was in.
Is that your selection for your Highbrow Porn Flick?
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5 hours ago, drednm said:
True. But you'd expect ... at least I would ... that they'd try a little harder on a product they're selling. Putting it in print just perpetuates the inaccuracies.
Putting it in print, is quite different as you say, than legends spread about in fan magazines. Would you say this is due to just a general lack of care about details and a basic stupidity level of many business enterprises that we are surrounded by today? Details count and an occasional mistake may occur but the kind of things you are correcting in your post about their packaging, is just criminal and I'd like to perform a citizen's arrest. It's sad that you are the knowledgeable one yet they have hired idiots to work for them and perpetuate such errors, with no countermanding on the owner's part.
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There are no right answers to this question obviously.
For me, everything ever put on film is of interest because it is a document of a time, real or unreal. Just as Proust in "Remembrance of Things Past" was able to access memories, many of us have a desire to relive some past events. I think his original title "In Search of Lost Time" is a more complete explanation of the quest for regaining something lost or never seen to begin with, and for that reason, all and any filmed matter is of interest to me. Unfortunately for Proust only the madeleines and other scents were available to return to past times.
Now some may say, surely you are not interested in watching an old 8mm film of some kid's Bar Mitzvah, but yes, I am. I remember seeing Robert Klein once bring old film of his own to some talk show and it was kind of fascinating. But of course, he is famous, so that might be different. But I would watch anyone's such footage at least for a bit, since...this is time gone that will never be experienced again by anyone. This is a way to visit the past, and relive life. It is almost like entering a time warp and we are the luckiest people to be able to experience it. Wouldn't it be great if films were available during Rembrandt's time and we could see him painting a masterpiece or just hanging out with his cronies. I'd like to have seen Lincoln giving the Gettysburg Address and if it were in color that would even be better. Am I comparing seeing someone's mother opening her Christmas gifst from 1954 in importance to Lincoln giving a speech? No, but the concept of time travelling back to an earlier time is still the same with the same joy. So this is why my initial reason for liking anything on film, is to visit the past, then it moves on to seeing special things emblazoned on a screen to be enjoyed over and over again, like Fred Astaire dancing, Giulietta Masina playing her trumpet or Chaplin doing the dance of the rolls. I like highbrow art, lowbrow art and even some middlebrow art in films, though we all know that lowbrow and highbrow can switch places, and influence each other due to being the most original but middlebrow always remains the same. It is of the masses, but still represents something worth seeing occasionally.
So this is why I love movies, of almost anything, since it gives me a chance to really experience things that my parents, grandparents and great grandparents got to, and without movies I would never have seen Harry Houdini, or Charley Chase or Mae Marsh. But why do you love movies, is the question. Please respond in essay form and with substantial backing information.
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Are you addicted to reading all the cast names and their roles when you watch a movie?
I am not ashamed to admit that I am! Of course all my friends, boyfriends, relatives and anyone I've ever gone to a movie with, hate me for this. I won't leave the theatre till I have read all the credits and on movies nowadays, that takes forever. All that crapola about what company did the food wagon, and who supplied the cars, and where was the dang thing shot, and thanks to the National Forestry Preserve for their help, comes up first so it takes forever. Why it could take twenty minutes before one gets out of the theatre, but I still like to read it all.Actually though, it is almost not worth it now though, since the old movies have all the fun credits to see. Now sometimes it is just because I really see someone in costume or disguise and want to find out who it is. But my main reason to watch credits is for entertainment. When I see something listed like "Mangy Dog" played by Jeff the Beagle, it just is good for a laugh. Now I realize, looking stuff up on the IMDb now, does not necessarily mean that in the original screen credits this moniker was really listed, but it's still fun.
For example, one of my favorites is "Near Sighted Woman". I'm not sure if I would want this on my credits if I were an actor, but who knows. Some films, like the original "Hairspray" have oodles of fun credits, like "Snoopy Old Lady", "Slob **** Woman" and "Special Ed Student". If you are also addicted to screen credit watching, post your faves!
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3 hours ago, Sepiatone said:
I don't think being particularly intelligent makes one a better actor or actress than any others in the "profession", but it might help somewhat.
I don't think of myself as too much of an intellectual "slouch", but I took Drama classes in high school and found remembering several pages of dialog pretty challenging. Remembering not only all those words, but my MARKS as well!
But in mentioning those who were already established( and given the site, in the "classic" film arena) I'd say some of the more intelligent in the field were;
PAUL MUNI
EDWARD G. ROBINSON
ERROL FLYNN
LESLIE HOWARD
ORSON WELLES
OLIVIA DE HAVILLAND
KATHERINE HEPBURN
At least, that's the impression they seemed to give.
Sepiatone
If I were to cast you in my upcoming film, called "Transubstantiation of the Fittest". Sepia what type of role fits you best or do you like most to attempt?
You need not worry about forgetting your lines, as we will be happy to have cue cards stuck on the other actor's clothing you are facing, since if it is good enough for Marlon Brando to use in "The Godfather" why should you be ashamed of doing the same. Thanks, Sepia!-
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12 hours ago, karlofffan said:
Maybe Paul Giammatti? Father was a Yale professor and noted intellectual.
Kirk Douglas spoke French. Badly.
How about Christopher Lee. Spoke a LOT of languages: https://www.daytranslations.com/blog/2015/06/sir-christopher-lee-this-legendary-multilingual-actors-legacy-lives-on-6365/
Rutger Hauer has a master's degree in mechanical engineering.
I love Christopher Lee but never really thought about his IQ. It would be nice to think he was as intelligent as he appeared to be infilms. Thanks for your entries!
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2 hours ago, DougieB said:
And by all means let's not forget.....
Don't knock it till you've seen it.
Of course, since I own the dvd I can so yes, it's pretty sad, but with Jayne always a bit of fun and I love the packaging. I mean of the dvd, not Jayne. Kind of kitschy like Jayne's heart shaped swimming pool she shared with good old Mickey Hargitay. -
On 6/8/2018 at 12:42 AM, Dargo said:
Well Swithin ol' boy, call ME "Recollectable" here, as I remember you mentioning this opinion of yours about this song before on these boards. However, and while "Call Me Irresponsible" may not be the best song ever written, I just don't understand what appears to your dislike of this song, and why you keep insisting it is "insipid".
Is "More" a better song? Perhaps. But, I wouldn't say that it was THAT much better a song than is "CMI".
(...and, just now taking a look at the wikipage for "CMI" and the list of all the great popular singers such as Sinatra, Bobby Darin, Johnny Mathis, Dina Washington, Sarah Vaughn and Tony Bennett among many others who have recorded their versions of it, I wouldn't think all THAT many of them would have indeed recorded the song if THEY thought it was "insipid")
I gotta agree with Dargo here about the song CMI. One of my favorite versions is by Johnny Rotten after he left the Sex Pistols, in his album recalling torch songs of the 1950's/1960's called "My Bad". He brings a certain evocative miasma to the lyrics and more authenticity to the descriptive term "irresponsible" than Frankie, or Mathis, or Darin or Bennett ever could.
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6 minutes ago, MotherofZeus said:
My response is likely to anger someone. I'll say it anyway....Gary Cooper is not what I would consider "a great actor." I would, however, say that "Meet John Doe" also gets me. It's Capra who does it to me (with Mr. Stewat being a particularly effective actor in his films). Capra knows how to pull out the believer in the most hardened of hearts with absolute sap -- and it works! Here I am calling freaking Dostoevsky on the carpet, but Capra gets two enthusiastic thumbs up from me? I need to study how he does it. Yes. he is mean to Uncle Billy. I think we all recognize that at some point, we've been cruel to someone like Uncle Billy when were weren't ourselves. I need the screenwriters and directors among us to school me on how Capra gets away with the schmaltz with hard boiled dames like me.
It is a mystery. I think he combines the serious with the comedic and then tricks us, by turning the tables fast to get a reaction. Now why I love Dostoevsky, is because it is fun occasionally to wallow in misery. His books just depict such horrors and sad states that are like Russian overkill. I'm surprised no one like Mel Brooks has not made a musical based on something like "The Sisters Karamasov" who own a chocolate shop in Leningrad, but are revolutionaries behind the scenes. Good discussion!
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3 minutes ago, darrylfxanax said:
This is a recent (fairly) favorite of mine. I admit, with no embarrassment, that I saw it six times in the theater, as it descended from first-run houses to the "dollar" theater. Each time I took someone I knew would be intrigued. I know there are many out there who didn't appreciate Haynes' homage to Sirk, if it can be called that. But with the angles that would have been unexplorable in the '50's, I bought into it completely. Without giving too much away for those who might want to enjoy this for the first time, I will say things don't work out for Julianne Moore and Dennis Haysbert. With her marriage over, and him leaving town, there is a very moving farewell scene at the train station, while the Elmer Bernstein score (I believe his last) swells.
Okay, that kind of brings it back to me. I am a big Douglas Sirk fan but totally enjoyed Haynes take on this in a contemporary vein. I also loved seeing the authenticity of the furnishings, the clothes and hairdos, but then I'm very shallow. I thought it was quite well done and did enjoy it and thanks for the info, Darryl and when you inherited the Zanuck fortune, did you put it into stocks and bonds or a Ferrari collection?
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Okay, so to some this may be an oxymoronic phrase, but to others, like Oscar Wilde devotees, maybe not.
Wilde said, in the Dorian Gray tale I think, that:“There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book.
Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.”
If this is true, then a good example of HCPF would be "In the Realm of the Senses" from 1976. Yes, there is actual visual activity being shown, but to some, not in a purely erotic way. Directed by Nagisa Oshima from the story about famed prostitute, Sada Abe and her strange adventure walking around after a murder with something odd in her obi, ITROTS actually transforms elements of this tale into a complex film about societal mores and obsessions. For many years, it was not shown in its entirety and actually there is a long explanation of its travails on the film circuits of various nations, online to read for historical purposes, so I shan't go there.
I have the Criterion dvd, which came out quite a while ago, but have never seen this film in a theater and might be afraid to for fear of the usual giggling, coming from nervous audience members, and I use the term "members" cautiously.
So if you can think of other well done and arthouse type films, which have sexual themes but perhaps not deemed for total titillation purposes, please submit them here, but no films starring Brooke Shields will be accepted.
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47 minutes ago, MotherofZeus said:
So, you hit home here. I am a cynic, in general. As in, Dostoevsky is my favorite author -- and yet --- I get mad at him every time he has his characters turn to God in the end. He's so close to perfect realism and then he slaps that Christian ending on the tail of it as if he personally has shed the comforts of his personal faith, and then at the end, he isn't brave enough to reject God. I want to throw his spectacular books at him just about every time at the end of the methodical dismantling of "isms," and then he pulls the rug out with a relative happy ending.
Therefore, I find myself a total hypocrite when it comes to Capra. "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"is one of my favorite movies. Capra tends to get me, and I think he does because I feel, deep down, cynics are cynics because some of us feel so passionately about our ideals that we actually are saps at the core. You are 100% correct about realism vs. how this ends, but there are moments in time when the incredible does happen. Capra is constantly reminding us of those moments. That's why I always use my sleeve to clean the allergies afflicting my eyes and inevitably say, "Damn you, Capra!" every time I watch a Capra movie. All his films should end differently if we are looking for realism. Capra gets to my inner sap, damn him!
I love reading Dostoevsky too, and can concur with your thoughts about him caving in at the end of some horrible tale. Oh well, maybe if we lived in his times we would cave too. Who knows. Nevertheless, I agree...Capra always makes me tear up in IAWL, when he gets to the bridge. But without Jimmy Stewart in the role, maybe I wouldn't do that, since he is just so good in the role and goes from light, like a Jim Anderson from "Father Knows Best" to a total downer state, unredeemable by any standards. He's even mean to Uncle Billy and who can blame him. But yes, sappy...it is, but also a great ride.
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On 6/7/2018 at 12:58 PM, cigarjoe said:
A vat of boiling oil for Trump The Movie!
Dearest Cigar Joe, due to your tongue in cheek post info about someone I'm sure you really admire, I am happy to announce to you that the famous Liberty University [a school which many including Richard Dawkins and others have questioned as to the validity of calling themself a "university" due to beliefs concerning the world being only a few thousand years old] is soon unveiling their film project, called "The Trump Prophecy". This film explores the idea that their creationist god had a plan that only Donald Trump could bring to fruition, and his presidency is biblically inclined. A lot like the messages from Mary in Fatima given to the three children [which resulted in Fatimagate when the third one was withheld by the Vatican for eons] the film has the premise of a fireman who is visited by his creator and given the special message about Trump being chosen by said creator to bring back godly virtues to the heathen United States of America. I believe it comes out in around October of 2018 and you can find it listed on the IMDB. Happy viewing!
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16 hours ago, Swithin said:
How do you feel about the Brainiac's stash of brains, in a nice serving dish? He enjoys those by the spoonful, whilst in his human guise. At other times, he just sucks the brains out of his victims heads.
Of the bowl of brains, one horror pundit wrote the following:
"Making sure that no one is looking, he unlocks a cabinet. Hilariously, Vitelius has merely walked across the same room, and is standing in plain view of his guests. The opened cabinet reveals an ornate silver serving bowl, full of, yes, brains.
Now, this seems to raise some obvious questions. First, how did the brains get into the bowl. Didn’t Vitelius suck them out of his victims? Are we to believe that he regurgitated them back into this bowl? If so, then he did quite a job at reconstituting them, as they look like rather standard brains. Also, I can’t help noticing that the cabinet is merely that. I mean, it’s not like it’s refrigerated or anything. How long do brains ‘keep’ under these conditions? Not too long, one would think."
Swithin, I love that movie! I have it on dvd and about once a year watch it, just to see the Inquisition scenes which are filmed quite well. Now yes, the Brainiac's looks do remind one a bit of a mating of Nosferatu with an anteater from some Sci-Fi film but he's kind of cute in a weird way. Watching that tongue come out, sort of like a Venus Fly Trap with an added eating appendage is so enjoyable in a foodie type of way. If they ever made a remake they should hire David Cronenberg or Lynch.
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15 hours ago, jimmymac71 said:
Don't think so. I was knee high to a grasshopper then. Don't know if I've seen Star Trek since it was new. A favorite would be "Piece Of The Action," where Spock discovers an AM radio station. That and "Trouble With Tribbles."
Okay, James T. Kirk. What is the T?
I am also thinking of a song by Sylvia (Country Singer) called "Drifter." We are drifting bigger than The Duke.
"T" to the third power for Transgender Time Traveller?
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9 hours ago, EricJ said:
Well, "Another" would be automatically assuming the Rob Zombie versions still exist, which this new one is hoping to avoid...
One comic once joked that there is nothing Donald Pleasance can say that wouldn't be creepy--Even as good characters, eg. The Great Escape. Could you imagine Pleasance in an IHOP, saying "I would like an extra serving of bacon with my Blueberry Special, please"?...
Pleasance is always so into his roles, even in the cheap foreign-paychecks and Amicus movies--he's earnest even when he's not-acting--he brings respectability to anything, although there's something off-putting, not on the same field as one of the "gentleman" horror actors like Christopher Lee or Peter Cushing.
Yes, he's so wonderful and it makes me happy to know others appreciate him. I remember seeing him first in a "Twilight Zone" episode where he was a teacher, not unlike the part in the film "The Browning Version" as played by Michael Redgrave. Apparently he was hired without the TZ production people knowing too much about him, but in the book about the series it is mentioned how impressed they all were by his moving performance. I also always enjoy him in any of his horror film appearances in those Hammer or Amicus ones. I actually like his daughter too and she kind of resembles him, with those possibly spooky eyes and that incessant stare that one has to decipher to know if he is playing a good or bad person! Some say, like Michael Caine, that the best actors don't blink and Pleasance has that trait down to an art.
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2 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
The interesting thing about Donald Pleasence and the HALLOWEEN series is that the lamer the sequels got, the more acting he does, by the end of the series poor Dr. Loomis is every bit as brain-damaged as The Shape, and frankly about as dangerous.by the time he gets to part six, he gives a borderline supporting actor worthy performance even tho damn the movie is baaaaaaaaad
I think you are right, Lorna!
Just saw clips last night on ET I think, with Jamie Lee Curtis discussing this new film. It's interesting that a lot of the original actors have aged a bit, but due to that great Shatner mask, the murderous Michael looks fresh as a daisy!-
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Great choices, and to my shame I can't remember the ending of "Far From Heaven" even though I own it on dvd. I bought it primarily because I wanted to see what the director used and didn't use in his new treatment of the storyline from Douglas Sirk's "All That Heaven Allows". Now I remember what happened to Rock and Jane in that one, but all I remember from FFH is the bit in the gallery where they are looking at the abstract painting by Miro. Refresh my memory...what happened?
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Now for egalitarian purposes, you may include women too in this category,
For me, the quintessential villain in films, is Gustav von Seyffertitz since he was one of the earliest precursors for this type of role. Now of course Erich von Stroheim was good at this typecasting also, but he never was in a film torturing someone like poor little Mary Pickford, as Gustav was in "Sparrows", directed by the infamous, One Shot Beaudine to perfection.
I would guess that good old Gustav, a native of Bavaria, was the inspiration for a lot of seemingly nasty old men in films like Claude Gillingwater, but the difference was that Claude would usually repent and love those little brats he had been mean to like Shirley Temple, but you knew with Gustav that he was totally intransigent to any reforming or cooling off of his most hateful temperament. Thank goodness, a villain who stayed villainous throughout the whole movie.
Not only was Gustav just diabolically evil in spirit, he also looked the part and had a face that appeared to be carved out of rock, with little expression. Tall, spindly, and spider-like, even hearing his name brings chills to my spine! If his real name had been Robert Jones, I think something would have been taken away from his ghastly persona.
So name a movie villain who is just so horrid that you enjoy hating him or her, due to their extreme talent at depicting such roles with their inherent talents. -
32 minutes ago, kingrat said:
As we know now, Hedy Lamarr was highly intelligent, especially in the field of science, though it might not have helped her career at the time had this been widely known. Hedy wasn't the world's best actress, although there are films like H.M. Pulham, Esq. where she's actually pretty good.
I seem to remember hearing the film critic John Simon say on TV that he'd only known two actors who were truly intellectuals, and neither was a particularly good actor. One was Thayer David, and I can't recall who the other was.
Meryl Streep and Glenn Close have always struck me as being quite intelligent.
Thayer David? Yikes, there's a name I haven't heard for a long time. He was on "Dark Shadows" and I am racking [wracking?] my brain trying to remember if I thought he was a good actor. Will have to get out some of the boxed set episodes. I agree, Meryl and Glenn just seem most likely to be intelligent, but one can be fooled by the parts people play being deceptive. Thanks! Playing an intelligent person on screen does not always mean in real life the person is intelligent. Just like an actor spouting off Shakespearean dialogue could be a real dummy in real life.
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On 6/6/2018 at 1:05 AM, CinemaInternational said:
It probably never could have happened what with her fathrr's deap-seated corrupt connections, but I wish that Evelyn Mulwray (Faye Dunaway) could have been able to escape with her life intact in Chinatown.
On the one hand, I can totally concur with you, CI that it would be nice to see Evelyn not get shot through the eyeball, as that was hard to watch.
On the other hand, being a giant fan of Joe Mantell, who played Marty's buddy in "Marty" I do love hearing him say to Jake Geddes [sp?] after Mulray is shot, "Jake, it's Chinatown", as if that type of stuff happens all the time there and is the norm. Good choice, though and thanks! -
On 6/5/2018 at 11:32 PM, Vautrin said:
I think that twist ending to Diabolique would be a hoot. But as a Vera Clouzot fan,
I can't see her, even in a movie, messing around with Charles Vanel. Yikes.
Yes, old Fred C Dobbs was a pretty mean article, but I still felt sorry when he was
killed by Gold Hat and his buddies. Let's see, Fred is seriously wounded, but he plays
dead until the bandits leave. Then the barber from Tampico, who likes to go for long
hikes on his day off, discovers Dobbs and nurses him back to health, throwing in
a free hair cut. Dobbsey hangs around Tampico, what a town, and buys another
lottery ticket and wins again. But he has learned his lesson. Instead of going
prospecting for gold he returns to the U.S., buys IBM stock and lives off the dividends
until he dies in his bed without his boots on.
Adding to that scenario, Dobbsy gets healthy and runs into Robert Blake, a few years later all grown up who reveals to him that Dobbs is not really his real name, but he is actually B. Traven, and Blake is his kid who has been panhandling for years in Tampico. Blake tells Dobbs that what he thought he had lived looking for gold, was implanted memory, and it never happened. Hence he needs to go back to Germany and recover his being retained family fortune since he was part of the royal family of the Kaiser, and his pen name there is Ret Marut, and he is a famous celebrated author, thought to be dead like Ambrose Bierce. The End.
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On 6/5/2018 at 10:49 PM, Gershwin fan said:
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Laura Palmer agrees with you!
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