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Just now, speedracer5 said:
This sucks. Apparently you can’t talk about men at all, full frontal or not.
I didn’t even find out the backstory on the photo of Lancaster & Mitchum in drag!
Boo!
I had no idea so many men here wanted to be talked about in a sexually depraved manner. I will try to accommodate them in the future!
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17 minutes ago, TomJH said:
"Well, I like seeing other people have fun!"
Talk about phallic symbolism. This even beats Carl Boehm and that very lingamish stabbing leg on his tripod.
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Now I'm not saying that this kind of film always turns out to be one you want to see again, or even like...as you are first watching it. But it does lend some variety to one's life to watch often mostly unheralded or sine qua non flicks.
One I had heard about years ago and always wanted to see was Dusan Makavejev's "W.R.: The Mysteries of the Organism". Now admittedly any film which is banned or about someone whose books get burned, does usually intrique me. This film from 1971 being about controversial psychoanalyst, Wilhelm Reich and his Orgone Accumulator Boxes and theories about the dichotomy between sexual rebellion and revolution, might have appealed to Patty Hearst and it's said that the banned Orgone machines were used by people as diverse as Sean Connery, Jack Kerouac, J.D. Salinger and others, but I can't prove that.
Was Reich a nut or a valuable therapist? His work in Vienna at the Ambulatorium of Freud, and his connections to Einstein make him a figure of history hard to ignore. His ideas put forth in his many books on psychology noted the relationship he believed existed between Fascism and sex, and gun obsessions and reliance on authoritarian governments as a father figure.
The film, due to many basically unprintable sequences, was banned for over a decade in Yugoslavia but it had been highly praised at the Cannes festivals. Reich himself, found himself receiving an injunction from the United States FDA in 1947, for the selling of the Orgone machines and later in 1956 was found in contempt and sentenced to prison, with all his books and publications being burned. Considered to be one of the most highly contested cases ever of censorship in the US, even the ACLU came to his defense to no avail. This could be why finding any books written by Reich is so difficult. Madman or genius, doctor or debatable abuser of patients, his story on film still is rivetting. So that's my choice for oddball film of the day. What's your oddball film du jour you might like to share if you are one of those fans who occasionally likes to take a walk on the wild side? -
Didn't there used to be a joke like that? In the version I heard, the police come and can't see how the lady would be able to look across the street. And she says something like "Well, first you have to get a stepladder and look through those high up windows on the wall."
Obviously, both based on the same principle, James! That some people just don't like seeing other people have fun.-
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8 minutes ago, TomJH said:
Though Cody liked to shove chippies like Verna onto the couch, I bet Cody would never mess with Ma!
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Enjoyed reading your list as so many stars of silents did not go on to long careers in talkies. Just last night I was enjoying watching George Arliss in "Transatlantic Tunnel". But the one you mention who I am just enamored of, is Joseph Schildkraut. Such a talented performer, and he was graced with the looks, temperament and sophistication to play in so many costume dramas and make them believable. In the silent "King of Kings" he is magnificent as Judas Iscariot, yet he could be touching in other dramatic parts too. My favorite role of his is in Lubitsch's "The Shop Around the Corner". Could anyone be more snarky, or pretentious? As great as the cast is, Schildkraut's role as the employee with sartorial splendour and toadie qualities, really makes the film come alive since he is such a wonderful protagonist to the Jimmy Stewart part. Way later he of course won praise in "The Diary of Anne Frank" and I still remember his most heartbreaking role in the "Twilight Zone" episode where he and his wife were to trade in their outer shell bodies for new ones, but could afford to spend only for one. So thanks for mentioning Schildkraut as he gets little recognition now, but still deserves it in my opinion. Thanks, drednm!
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16 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
I have to go with the more understated performance of Robinson as Johnny Rocco.
But hey, I don't like mommy boys.
PS: that reply by Tom is a hoot, but it is one of the reasons why I pick Rocco. E.g how he tortures his 'girl' is more nuanced and really a lot more sadist than a sock in the kisser.
I was gonna pick Cody then read James' comment and realized I do hate mama's boys, so I'm going with Rocco. Plus Eddie G. owned a great art collection which I might inherit by being nice to him!
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29 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
Sorry, but one can't say what is offensive or not. One can only say what is or isn't offensive to them.
But I agree; that thread was NOT offensive to me, but people find things offensive that I don't all of the time.
I always get a kick out people who like to report other posters. They remind me of Judy Hensler from "Leave It To Beaver" who was always turning poor little Theodore in to Miss Landers for some small infraction. I've never reported anyone on any board, as only the thin-skinned usually do it. It is so much more fun to watch them hoist themselves on their own petards with their comedically deprived posting malarkey. One wonders if they join boards to actually talk about the ostensible subject matter, or just use the board to vent on their own hidden agendas that assuage their troubled minds. I come here to talk about films, not to engage with the unpleasant as I have an aversion to buzzkill type people.
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Speaking of game shows, James, I once saw a contestant make a telling comment on something like "Let's Make a Deal" that I think Chayefsky would have used somehow in a script. The lady on stage asked the host if she could introduce her hubby in the audience, who then stood up and she said "This is James, my first husband." The host looked perplexed and said "Do you have any other husbands?" and she said something like "Why no, why?"
I think most everyone in the audience were thinking Hubby Numero Uno was soon to meet his demise.
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23 hours ago, Ray Faiola said:
I love Lionel Atwill as Dr. Regas in MAN MADE MONSTER. A very much overlooked Universal gem.
Lionel Atwill is one of those people who scares me in a film, would scare me out of a film and even looking at his 8x10 glossies is a bit scary. Great choice and another Universal "gem" as you say, Ray! Thanks.
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On 2/19/2018 at 7:22 PM, SansFin said:
I am surprised that no one to date has mentioned: Dr. Strangelove (1964). The sheer number of mental derangements exhibited staggers the imagination.
I feel that: Claude Rains as: Dr. Jack Griffin in: The Invisible Man (1933) clearly presents with obsession during invention of his formula and the formula induces intense megalomania.
I believe Bela Lugosi demonstrated an affinity for such roles as he was excellent in both: The Devil Bat (1940) and The Corpse Vanishes (1942).
Oh, gee...not mentioning Dr. Strangelove is a travesty. Still cracks me up about that characterization being based possibly on Henry Kissinger. Rains and Lugosi each, as you say, would qualify for such designations. Thanks, SansFin.
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On 2/18/2018 at 9:56 AM, Swithin said:
Dr. Praetorius may be mad, but I don't think of him as particularly evil. These mad doctors are evil, which makes them really dangerous.
Henry Victor (King of the Zombies)
Rudolph Anders (She Demons)
Charles Laughton (Island of Lost Souls)
OMG, Swithin! Rudolph Anders really personifies the mad and creepily smiling doctor type I was envisioning. I am surprised that in "She Demons" that Irish McCalla didn't knock the crap out of him since she could tower over him. Oh, and Laughton of course is madly psychotic in IOLS, and I would have mentioned him but wanted to see if anyone else did first. Love that film...when the mutilated men are shown I still get chills. Are they not men, they are devo!
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On 2/18/2018 at 7:32 AM, Janet0312 said:
My vote goes to Onslow Stevens' portrayal of the mad Dr. Edlemann in House of Dracula. He may not have the most insane idea, but he certainly looks the part!
Janet, though I own all those Universal boxed sets with the Dracula and so on films, I actually had to go do an image search for Onslow since my brain file was not pulling up his image. What a good choice. Ya know, he was really a good looking guy but boy was he transformed into a loony mad doctor in that role. Thanks for digging up a really great choice due to your superior knowledge and memory, that I apparently have lost.
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On 2/17/2018 at 3:23 PM, EricJ said:
And the Rotwang Memorial Career Achievement medal goes to:
Peter Cushing as Doctor Frankenstein (Hammer era) - A mad scientist so sympathetically dedicated, you root for him.
Thanks, Eric! Any film with Cushing or Lee is one I'd watch for sure. Those Hammer and Amicus offerings are always engrossing.
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1 hour ago, Bogie56 said:
Thursday, February 22
10:15 p.m. Marty (1955). Oscar winning performance by Ernest Borgnine.
My favorite movie of all time! Love that Joe Mantell also. The conversations written by Chayefsky make one feel like they are overhearing strangers chat on a bus.
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On 2/18/2018 at 12:29 PM, LornaHansonForbes said:
Better than TARGETS (1968)?
ive never seen LAST PICTURE SHOW, but TARGETS is an AMAAAAAAAAAZING piece of filmmaking. Like seriously, one of the finest movies I’ve seen.
"Targets" is wonderful. A great movie to see at a drive-in also, Lorna. I love the cinematography in TLPS too.
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23 hours ago, Det Jim McLeod said:
TCM has been showing a lot of supporting performance nominations since last week. So I thought of one of my favorite years for this category where I saw all of the nominations. Choose who you would have voted for with your reason why.
THE NOMINATIONS
George Chakiris in West Side Story*
Montgomery Clift in Judgment At Nuremburg
Peter Falk in Pocketful Of Miracles
Jackie Gleason in The Hustler
George C Scott in The Hustler
*=actual winner
I would have voted for Clift. He was heart breaking as the Jew who is sterilized by the Nazis. In a huge cast of stars, he was still the one I would be thinking of after the film is over.
Agreed! Clift was monumental in that role.
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I'm sure many a potential career has been ruined by unexpected situations. An athlete might receive a crippling injury or diagnosis and so on. In the acting field, one would think a disfigurement might also end a career, but occasionally the alteration can be used to good advantage witness the career of British star Leslie Banks.
Having received a serious injury in World War I, that scarred and left paralysis to one side of his face, one might think he would not be able to go on. But Leslie Banks was able to channel his skills and utilize said injury to great advantage in his many film roles, particularly things like his portrayal of the dastardly Count Zaroff in "The Most Dangerous Game". When the camera goes in for close ups in said film, I am always struck by the unearthly expression on his seemingly divided face. It would take more than an injury like that to portray diabolical intent, but along with his superior talents as a thespian, he uses his injury and makes it become an asset.
I caught him last night in the 1935 film "Transatlantic Tunnel" and also could see that when the facial alteration was not employable as an asset, he nullifies it by how he moves and uses his instrument.
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5 hours ago, TomJH said:
It was a pretty innocent thread.
Someone complained?
"I hope it wasn't my knees."
Nice gams, Jack!
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2 hours ago, TikiSoo said:
Wow I'm amazed. There was NOTHING offensive in that thread-just photos of Hollywood male physiques.
I'd venture to guess a poster who craves attention posted something objectionable purposely to have it shut down. Some people here get jealous of others if/when they start successful (inclusive) conversational threads.
It's hard to fathom but some actually view internet message boards as an indication of their popularity, like high school.
WAH! Bring back that Luscious Lancaster!
Maybe the moderator thought Lancaster was showing too much skin?
Or mayhaps TCM has hired a new moderator skilled in the psychology of projection, who found hidden offensive intent between the lines of some posts. It's said that often a person bitterly attributing ostensibly negative traits to others, is simply trying to deny and defend the same negative and inappropriate impulses of their own warped psyche.
I doubt most people here care about popularity, if they are actually here to share with fellow film fans their joy in watching movies and discussing them.
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He really was good in HS. Steve was also fine in that film "The Stuntman". Remember who played the Manson member who turned on the gang, Linda Kasabian? It was poor old Marilyn Burns from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre". I guess it was a better role to play than one of getting stuck up on a meat hook...with that deranged hitchhiker, Edwin Neal along for the ride.
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23 hours ago, Stephan55 said:
Isn't it though... I marvel as as well.
Some people I know, that know little about any of this stuff themselves, think that I know a lot.
Then I come on these boards and realize how much of a "piker" I really am.
I'm thankful we've got folks around here like Tom and several others who really do know a lot about this stuff we all seem to love, and are so non-condescendingly willing to freely share their wisdom with the rest of us here!
Learned much over the years, but there's always so much more to learn....Speaking of people like Bacon, I would put Dabbs Greer in a similar category as a guy who was in so many things and is always believable. Almost always a nice guy, but could even play a villain if called upon. Love him!
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On 2/18/2018 at 7:49 AM, Sepiatone said:
Since many of our favorite or more familiar "character" actors and actresses appeared in many movies and old TV shows "uncredited", I'd think it difficult to discover the names of those others who make frequent appearances in both mediums but don't get credited for those appearances or any others they make.
And doesn't calling them "little people" seem a bit derogatory? Maybe something like "professional extras" might be better suited....
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Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, dearest friend, Sepia!
I was not denigrating my favorite actors of all time, the character ones, by using the term "little". I was parodying the use of that phrase in many takeoffs of stars receiving awards, like on comedy tv shows like Sid Caesar or Carol Burnett or the like, where the statement about "the little people" was meant to show how shallow the "big" stars often were. I would NEVER insult any character or even unbilled extra with any derogatory language since they are the ones I enjoy the most in films.
Just wanted to make it clear that my post is in admiration of such people, and a bit of a dig at stars who say things like "I am big, it's the pictures that got small."-
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23 hours ago, Stephan55 said:
My thoughts as well.
I'm confusing myself as well on the different distinctions.
What ("who") exactly are they, and how would they all stack on a pyramid chart?
Is this correct, in front of the screen we have:
Lead Actors (to include both genders)
Support Actors
Character actors (which can also lead or support)
Professional Extras (which can also be character actors)
Bit players (are these the "Little People" CG is trying to delineate, or would they be the "Professional Extras," or are they an separate "group" entirely?
I think she said they are "more obscure" than "Support Actors," but are regularly enough employed to make a living as a "professional" what?)
Non-professional Extras (pretty safe to say that these folks are the "civilian" non-actors that appear in large scenes)Am I missing anything here?
I don't know Tom, I'd think he probably comes close enough to "fit-the-bill" but we'll likely have to wait until CG comes back to see if he meets her criteria???
Whenever I'd see Irving's name appear, I'd confuse him with Lloyd and think Oh, he must have occasionally "acted" in a film or two before and after he became a director... The distinction of my error didn't become readily apparent to me until just now with your post.
BTW Tom, I know what big a fan you and Speedracer are of Errol Flynn (I am too). I came across several music and tribute videos on YouTube last night and posted them over there
http://forums.tcm.com/topic/160004-programming-changed/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-1655274
There were a few dedicated to Errol that I think you may enjoy.
Being the fan that you are, you probably have already seen all there is to see of Flynn, but maybe not....
You might want to take a "look see" over there just in case.
Thanks Tom, Sepia and Jakeem for all your great and very informative posts, thru the years, I've learned a lot from you.
Jakeem and Stephan, by the way...look who else is in that photo from "Stalag 17". The great Harvey Lembeck, one of Bilko's crew and also that Robert Strauss! He always reminds me of a combination of Robert Newton [the best Long John Silver of all time] AND Giancarlo Gianini, with those giant eyes and giant personality. Thanks for your fine post!
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Johnny Rocco vs. Cody Jarrett....
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Yeah, but can Rocco scrape his metal slammer cup on heads of nearby convicts at din-din, and dance dangerously down the chow table as well as Cody? I think not, James!