Vautrin
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6 hours ago, CaveGirl said:
I feel I have a really big gap in my movie knowledge that I don't know more about nudist films. I'm even confused as to the terminology, since in my feverish little mind as a teen, I thought a nudist camp was somewhere you visited intermittently like on weekends, and a nudist colony lived there all together like a commune group. I just met someone who says they had a friend who was a nudist by evening but an office worker by day. I need more information. Thanks for your YT input, Vautrin? Are there many nudist camps in Paris or Algiers by the way? Or even New Jersey? Back tomorrow after I do more deep background research on this niche field.
It definitely deserves a bare all exploration. I believe these girls were on a nudist camp vacation
for a few weeks in the summer. I wouldn't be surprised if there are nudist camps in many states.
Maybe there are some in the Pine Barrens or close to the shore. I'll wager the French had some
camps in pre-1962 Algeria, though I doubt they were nudist camps.
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I remember seeing a nudist camp film on YT a number of years ago. Can't recall the
title, but it looked like it was from the early to mid 1960s. Everyone stayed in cozy
cabins with a roommate of the same sex. After welcoming people to the camp, the
nudists gradually started to shed their clothes. The swimming pool became the center
of the social scene at the camp. The nudity wasn't that blatant, mostly topless women
and perhaps a strategic bush (the vegetative kind) or tree to hide the men's dickerdoos.
All rather innocent, which was part of the charm of the film. There was no sex, just some
nice people cavorting around without clothes.
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I liked Osborne. The only quibble I have is people referring to him as a rock star.
This guy was many things, but a rock star wasn't one of them.
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2 hours ago, CaveGirl said:
I wish you would go into more detail about this Mankiewicz connection, Vautrin.
You always have the most interesting information about these things and I would love to hear you elucidate further on this topic about Herman's resason for calling the sled "Rosebud".
Thanks in advance!I gleaned the information about Mankiewicz and Hearst from two long articles by Pauline Kael
in The New Yorker from February of 1971. This was later turned into a book called, for some
crazy reason, The Citizen Kane Book. I'll have to skim through the magazines to find the details
about the relationship. Rosebud was Hearst's pet name for Marion Davies' pudendum. He must
have felt that Mank using this in the script was a shot below the belt.
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10 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
GOD FORGIVE ME, but I genuinely prefer the remake.
God may forgive you but...I do too. I haven't seen the remake in many years, but I
think I would still like the original version better. The Fenchness helps a lot, those
funny little cars, the upstairs highly put out neighbors, etc. And I've always had a
crush on Vera Clouzot.
Scott became typecast as a charming, sometimes deadly, bounder, so that was where
the studio placed him for the most part. Scott zooming down that ramp in his wheelchair
and out into the traffic is ten times funnier than Widmark pushing granny down the narrow
stairs, but to each their own.
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6 hours ago, spence said:
Which KISS OF DEATH though? I reckon' you mean the 1947 classic where R. Widmark snagged his one & only shot at an *Academy Award?
I;m no fan of remakes-(they outrageously even have PAPILLON coming up & it's stars look more like male models then anything else???) All know they just don't have the heavyweight stars anymore as with HOLLYWOODS GLORIOUS GOLDEN AGE-(l925-63) But the writers are asinine.
However the 1995 rehash of KISS OF DEATH was pretty well made ($15m.) (***) *Oscar victor: Nicolas Cage shoulda' earned a 2nd nod for s. actor that year as the villain-(Widmark's role) I say his 2nd because he was superb in the great yet ultra sad LEAVING LAS VEGAS ($32m.) (4 stars!) that *ACADEMY AWARD year & he deservedly won leading actor as Ben in it! Thee single most accurate of an alcoholic I've yet to see. More so then *Milland's in 1945's *LOST WEEKEJND too.
THANX
That would be the original with Widmark and his big Spy vs. Spy hat. Remakes vary in quality.
Some are total bombs, others, though not as good as the original, are still good films, and a few
surpass the original. A remake of Les Diaboliques came out quite a number of years ago. It was
nowhere as good as the original, but judged on its own it was pretty good.
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1 hour ago, CaveGirl said:
You talked while the handsome blonde brother guy was dying but turned out to be the only lucky person in the family of the Finzi-Continis, since the Nazis were coming and would be offing them all, Vautrin?
That is shameful and really bad form, even for New Jersey!This was at the start of the film, so the audience was just getting into the picture.
We were more interested in looking at Dominique Sanda than the brothers, but
that's a gender matter. We were teenagers who did not appreciate the great
cinematic masterpiece which we were about to experience. This was in New York,
if I recall it correctly. And it sure seemed to last longer than 95 minutes. I've only
seen it a few times since and have upgraded my opinion of the movie.
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2 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
Would make good triple feature with KISS OF DEATH and MAC AND ME.
Let's roll. The scene with Scott going down the ramp and out into heavy traffic came
so suddenly all I could do was watch in fascination, almost in disbelief. It just looked so
funny. Zoom, Crash. It's funny how the look of wheelchairs have stayed the same until
the last few years.
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I once caused a minor bad experience. I was with a friend watching The Garden of the
Finzi-Continis when we were talking a bit too loudly as the move started. A woman in
front of us turned around and told us to be quiet. We gave her a dirty look back but
shut up for the most part.
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6 hours ago, CaveGirl said:
There will always be a Paris, Kentucky though when the chips are down for visiting a charming petite boite during one's lunch break.
Yeah, RS did have some good acticles and their history of rock and roll book was well done.Don't forget Paris, Texas. They even made a movie with that title. It would take more than a
town named Paris to make me want to visit Texas. I have two editions of the RS history book.
One is the size of a coffee table book on steroids, the later edition is a more regular size. They
both have interesting essays on the individuals and bands of rock and roll history. If one is just
interested in factual detail, Wiki is pretty good.
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Whiplash (1948) Dana Clark, Alexis Smith, Zachary Scott, et al. No, it's not a flick about
a group of crooks who stage minor traffic accidents. It's that rare plot about a painter who
turns into a boxer and then, back again, into a painter. Dane Clark plays his patented Dane
Clark role as a working stiff with a large chip on his shoulder who is going to scratch his way
to the top of something. As the film opens, Dane is in the boxing ring taking a beating. Then
as he's about to get beat up some more, it's flashback time. Dane started out as an artiste,
a painter in Monterrey. Alexis buys one of his paintings and Dane goes to visit her. Before you
can say second rate Impressionism, they fall for each other. Then one day, Alexis is suddenly gone.
Dane finds out that the painting is being sent to NYC. Naturally he goes to NYC. Who wouldn't?
There he is depressed to find out that Alexis is married to Scott, who is confined to a wheelchair.
Dane decides to try his hand at boxing as one of Scott's group of boxers. He is very successful
as a pugilist. Alexis's brother is a booze hound doctor who give the boxers physicals. On the night
of the big championship fight, Dane is getting beat to a pulp, but then he regroups and wins the
fight. Maybe the flashback, instead of depleting his energy, gave it a big boost. The boozing doctor
confronts Zachary and his bodyguard for all their underhanded schemes and their treatment of
his sister. The bodyguard shoots the doctor and Zach prepares to be wheeled down the ramp at
the back of the boxing arena. But the dying good doctor pulls out a gat and shoots the bodyguard,
leaving old Zach to careen down the ramp and right out into the street, where Zach or a stuntman
or a dummy is smashed by a car. This is one of the best unintentional comic scenes I have ever
seen. It looks like one of those things you might see in a Fields' comedy and it is a better come-
uppance than Scott received in Mildred Pierce. With the bad guy out of the way, Clark and Smith
head back to Californyeaye and a happy ending. Alan Hale has a supporting part as Clark's Irish
trainer, who spends much of his screen time reminding people that he is...Irish. Eve Arden also
has a turn as her usual wise cracking friend of the star. Overall, a pretty conventional noir film
with a few unusual twists but still entertaining. The Zachary Scott death in wheelchair scene
is worth an additional half star, it's that hilarious.
Spoilers.
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Most, if not all, of the Rathbone SH series is on YT and the visual quality is
pretty good.
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Herman Mankiewicz was a fairly regular guest at Hearst's lavish boreathons at San
Simeon. So while other tycoons were used to some extent as models for Kane,
Hearst was the main one. The biggest shot Herman took was rosebud, which in
its original use had nothing to do with sleds.
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7 hours ago, CaveGirl said:
I mean really, one starts to wonder about the IQ's of anyone who thinks Vincent Furnier looks at all like a grown up Jerry Mathers. I think it was all Rolling Stone's fault, they put something in an article about Alice being a "Beaver Cleaver" as a kid, and missed putting in the word "type" after the surname. Of course, they probably did not realize their reading audience was daft, which just proves Zappa's comment about them being for people who can't read, written by people who can't write about musicians who can't play or whatever it was.
It's really all a bummer, except that Otter from "Animal House" also got his start as one of the Beav's classmates, which makes it all okay after all. I had no idea they showed LITB in Paris, Vautrin. Did you see it subtitled when you were a petite enfant in Paris?
I would attribute it to a much simpler reason--many of the readers were probably on certain
mind-altering substances when they were reading RS. These rumors usually don't make much
sense in the first place. RS did do some good journalism, both of the musical and non-musical
kind. I still have a box full of old RSs out in my garage from the early to mid 1970s when they still
used the fold over format. No, I spent my petit enfanthood in New Jersey, which isn't very
close to Paris.
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7 hours ago, Dargo said:
Aaaah...that was sweet, Vautrin.
(...ahem, I mean, that was Sweet, Vautrin...but I assume you already knew that)
Sweeter than sugar. Even after all these years that song still sounds good, even
with those silly lyrics.
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Little Gilly, Gilly won't go home
But you can't push Gilly round
Gilly won't go, try tellin' everybody but, oh noLittle Gilly, Gilly won't go home
Little Gilly, Gilly won't go home
But you can't push Gilly round
Gilly won't go, try tellin' everybody but, oh no
Little Gilly, Gilly won't go home-
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Glenda giving it to the Iron Bag Lady. Priceless. Ding dong...
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2 hours ago, CaveGirl said:
OMG, what kind of person actually remembers that Lumpy, I mean Clarence, started off being a JD by threatening poor Beaver and then didn't Ward give Beav the idea to trap bullies with the barrel hoop strategy? You are a real LITB academic, Vautrin! Sorry to have confused you, but Fred was not enamored of Judy, but probably more of Miss Landers I would hope. Though I love June, I was kind of disappointed when Little Theodore picked out the nice insigniaed [is this a word?] blouse with lovely sayings a la Francaise, and she refused to wear it, just because it said "Oooh, La La!" Pretty tacky, but what can you expect from a woman who was forced to wear that pearl necklace with a heart constantly, just because her neck looked too skinny. Fess up, Vautrin...you are really Ken Osmond in disguise here, right?
Yes, Lumpy Dumpy was a bully, though one who looked kind of nerdy riding around on a bike
with his jacket and hat on. Well, he was a suburban bully. Whole different dress code. Beaver
also had a crush on Miss Landers and then he saw some preppy type guy in a sports car pull
up to her place. Yes, Miss Landers. That was that. I remember I went to summer school one
year. There would be a double bill of Beaver and Donna Reed and then I would get on my bike
and ride to school. I recall there were rumors that Ken Osmond was John Holmes and Alice
Cooper and all the time he was some square motorcycle cop in L.A. Bummer, man. And then
there was the rumor that Jerry Mathers died in Vietnam. I don't know if there was actually
a headline Leave It to Beaver to Get Killed in Vietnam. Likely not, but it was funny.
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1 hour ago, CaveGirl said:
Elvis had invisible backup singers accompanying him when he sang as he rode his motorcycle, Vautrin.
Get with the program!
Well that's nothing compared to having a visible band playing generic funk following
you down the street. Not even the King had that. My excuse is that the only Elvis
film I've seen is Jailhouse Rock and I don't remember if I made it all the way through
that one. Be careful when you take career advice from a small time grifter from
Holland.
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3 hours ago, CaveGirl said:
Crimeney, Vautrin...next you will be saying that you dug Judy Hensler and Fred Rutherford. I'm gonna start calling you the Lord of the Manor from now on!
Far be it from me to try to control you though, so if you see Gilbert Bates anytime soon, tell him I said "Hi, Gilbert". Back in his youth though in Mayfield, I would have referred to him as Master Bates.Wait a minute. Fred and Judy were a thing? That blows my mind, totally. Who would conceive that
square ol Freddy boy was a cradle snatcher. Parents, better stock up on barrel hoops to spread in
your driveway. Rutherford is on the prowl. GB was very untrustworthy. As an adult I wouldn't be
surprised if he spent time in the pen for some white collar crime. Beaver didn't have much luck in
picking friends. Yes, a boy's best friend is his mother, even if she didn't want to wear that Oh La La
blouse.
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I laugh every time I see that scene, even though I know it's coming. Not even
Superfly or Shaft had their own theme musicians following them around.
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7 hours ago, Sepiatone said:
Yeah? Well, I thought he came mighty CLOSE!
I'm not that big a fan, but I won't dispute it.
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1 hour ago, CaveGirl said:
Was this ever in question?
It appears that Nip isn't quite on board. Stark was a good guy for a short while,
then he turned into a crook very quickly.
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1 hour ago, CaveGirl said:
Anyone who is throwing out Mannlicher-Carcano references is also probably privy to insider info about Jada Conforti, the Three Tramps, Babushka Lady, Umbrella Man, the O'Neal Funeral Home and David Ferrie. We need to talk privately, Vautrin and make sure no bugs are involved, which means Omarosa is not invited!
I remember most of those. You haven't lived till you've seen a picture of ol' David Ferrie with
his fake eyebrows. Yikes. Ferrie made Oswald look almost normal. I'm sure Omarosa is too
busy plugging her book, which is, well what authors do. Strzok is probably just sitting down
and starting his first draft.
I'm beginning to doubt TCM's liberal credentials.
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Up against the wall, you Oedipus people. I've never seen TCM as having much of a
liberal bent or having liberal credentials. It's just a channel that shows old movies.
I know Mank gets a lot of guff for mentioning the blacklist, but I believe Osborne
would mention it also at times.