Vautrin
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According to the Wiki entry on Caged, both Crawford and Davis were possibilities.
Bette turned it down because she didn't want to appear in a "dyke" film. Good ol'
Mother *******.
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I never realized that TCM was a hotbed of left wing agitprop.
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War films are hell.
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3 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
Indeed one of the campiest noirs (but all women prison films have some degree of camp). Still the acting is fine and Parker's performance and transformation are enough to recommend the film.
(the main thing missing from the film is Mercedes Cambridge!).
These kinds of films do lend themselves to campiness, and this one in particular.
One can still view it straight up as most of the original audience likely did or one
can appreciate the camp aspects of it as a modern audience probably does. Either
way it's a well done movie with good performances.
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As much as I dislike Hoover, I doubt the rumors that he wore dresses are
true. Now whether his friendship with Tolson went beyond friendship is
something we will likely never know for sure. But there is no doubt that
Hoover collected information on famous people, especially politicians. That's
one reason that LBJ supposedly said he'd rather have Hoover inside the
tent ******* out than outside the tent ******* in.
I know that Burt was bi. When just a little lad I spied Burt giving Ty Power
a ******* in the bushes by the back of my house. Of course at the time I didn't
know who they were. It was only many years later that I recognized them
from their movie appearances. You just never know.
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8 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:
doan forget the one about burt getting miffed when he found he couldn't out armwrestle woody strode when filming The Professionals.
He should have done that with Woody Allen instead.
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I know Caged is probably supposed to be a serious look at the problems in
women's prisons, but to me it's one of the campiest noirs around, much
thanks to Hope Emerson's character. I think last week Eddie said people
should be munching on some popcorn while watching it. Wouldn't a box of
assorted chocolates and a few old movie magazines be more appropriate
companions.
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Burt and Kirk were lovers for a short while. In fact Burt was
the one who deepened the dimple in Kirk's chinny chin chin.
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5 hours ago, TomJH said:
To heck with speculation about Ned having any psychological problems.
My theory is that Ned was a man who disliked using washrooms and got a thrill from taking a whiz in public (without anyone realizing it). That's why he was swimming in all those pools.
And when that rainstorm struck at the end Ned, now doubling over in pain because it had been a while, had a chance to do his favourite thing on his old doorstep. Who would know?
Your concern for Ned's bladder is a commendable one, Vautrin.
Even a character with a rather ambiguous and perhaps surreal story line has to perform
the usual bodily functions. Maybe that is also why some of the pool owners weren't too
happy to see him. Look out, here comes pee pee Merrill again. And yes, that storm came
at the right time. Water washes away "water." Maybe one of the themes of this is that we
must pay due attention to the whole person--mentally, spiritually, and physically.
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That reminds me. This guy has been running, walking, and swimming for
hours yet he never relieves himself. Maybe he took a quick whiz in one of
the pools, maybe in the public pool as payback for the humiliation he was
forced to go through.
The rainstorm at the end seems a bit contrived. I would have it gradually get
darker and then completely dark and just have the sound of Ned's running
on the soundtrack and then The End.
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Bingo. TCM is just one more institution trying to corrupt innocent minds
with thoughts of sex and other naughty things. It's right there in just
about everything they do. Take the "Wine Club." You don't really think
it's all about paring a certain wine with a certain movie. Wake up. It's
really about getting people so blotto that they lose their inhibitions and
can't wait to get it on. They're rolling around on the couch before the
opening credits are over. TCM=Transgressing Chaste Minds. Parents
beware.
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18 hours ago, rayban said:
The short story is, I think, non-judgemental.
I would agree. Of course the plot is somewhat opaque, though that doesn't stop people
making judgments about Ned. As I said I find him, for the most part, a sympathetic character.
There aren't a whole lot of funny moments in the film, but I got a laugh out of the pool Nazi,
who made Ned take a shower and then subjected him to a clean foot inspection. We had a public
pool in my town when I was a kid and thankfully we didn't have a character like that.
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I guess it was a mental institution with a pool. The story is pretty open ended,
so everyone can decide what they see in it. I found him to be a fairly sympathetic
figure, though not a wholly sympathetic one, and I see him as more sinned against
than sinning. I'll have to go back and read the original short story as it's been a while.
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4 hours ago, Fedya said:
In 1964 it could have been beatniks. Ned would have been behind the times, wouldn't he?
And you don't need to add carriage returns unless you want to start a new paragraph. The text should wrap automatically.
Beatniks were a little stale by '64, so Ned is looking forward to the hippies. With his love of the
outdoors, he could start his own commune. I like the look of the spaces, so I do it on purpose.
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4 hours ago, Fedya said:
I just reviewed Women in Love over in the "I Just Watched" post. You might like the nudity in that one....
I'll have to take a look. I just happened to hit upon Women in Love while fiddling
around in YT a few days ago. I did enjoy the nudity of Glenda Jackson more than
that of Reed and Bates, though all three were in top physical form.
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10 hours ago, rayban said:
I thought that the nudity - especially from a major movie star - was startling.
You saw it all!
Yeah, one saw a whole lot of Burt. If one wants to take a more realistic approach,
mention is made of Ned losing his job and having marital problems, though that
doesn't explain the ending very well. On a more allegorical note, a lot of interpretations
are possible. I doubt this one was in the original story from 1964, but I kind of like
it--Ned is tired of his affluent vanilla world and is swimming away from it to become a
proto hippie. What makes the story even more strange is that Ned's wife is present
at the very beginning when people are talking about having hangovers.
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I've seen it maybe four or five times before and I give it credit for still being interesting
after one knows the twist ending. It still moves along at a nice little pace. I never
gave a thought to Marie Windsor after she was killed. Things were happening so
fast that she is pretty much forgotten. The lot of a policewoman is not an easy one.
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I remember seeing it a number of years ago and being mildly interested. I enjoyed
it more this time, though I don't see it as a cult film. I thought I spied Cheever in
a very brief scene at the party. I did a little googling and it was Cheever. Ned is
sort of the usual suspect in upper class Cheeverland, but it's obvious that a
number of things have gone wrong. The movie did add a lot of characters not in
the 12 page short story.
When I saw the N for Nudity I thought it might concern Burt and his former
babysitter. Turned out to be the two old fogies and the south end of Burt.
Bummer man.
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Though there was nothing on TCM from the festival, there are still a number of photo
galleries from the festival under the Community-Classic Film Festival tab. Judging from
them, TCM still has a way to go in getting young folks to attend the festival.
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I'm always skeptical of studio era stars' IQs. It's not that there is any contradiction
between being a movie star and having a high IQ, but that it seems too much like
more PR puffery that the studios were so good at. Yeah, she plays a dumb blonde,
but she has a genius level IQ. Sure.
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A 172 IQ. Guess she's no Jayne Mansfield.
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Fairly entertaining flick, though the "dead ringer" angle is a bit on the corny
side. And putting the scar on the wrong side of his face. D'uh. Joan Bennett
playing a distant cousin of her lazy legs character in Scarlet Street. Enjoyable.
I was amused by the crook doing a bit of studying and picking up on the
psychoanalysts' lingo. Yah, you have de von Hummingbird Syndrome mit a touch
of de Persephone complex. I can help you, but first you must all de clothes off
taken. The Code ruins this a little since you know that in the end Henreid must
pay for his crimes and die. Sort of cuts out the suspense.
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He was up to 57,000+ posts before his posts stopped. Maybe he decided
to go for 100,000, which he might have reached by the end of this year.
Noir Alley
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Yes. I also don't think Bette would have taken a supporting role, especially
to Joan Crawford. Things worked out very well with Eleanor Parker.