Vautrin
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Sly should have been on double bills with George Jones.
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I just got another nasty text. Steed, why is everybody always picking on me?
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2 hours ago, Hibi said:
Yes, it wasn't entirely her fault. Plus the writers went in another direction for her character, making her the opposite of Peel. I tried to watch it, but bailed after a couple episodes. I HATED the Mother character they added to the show also.
Yes, Tara King was the new, green agent taken under the wing of Steed. So playing that character Linda was
believable. She was a less nuanced character than Emma Peel. Mother was annoying and at the same time
just plain weird. Things got even stranger when they gave him that statuesque assistant. I didn't think about
it then, but Steed seems a little old to be romantically involved with Tara, which is hinted at sometimes. I
took a quick look on YT and they only have the opening credits to various seasons and a few short clips
from some episodes. That's what I figured.
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I will say something nice about Linda Thorson:
But seriously, she stepped into a thankless situation replacing Diana Rigg. Of course she wasn't
anywhere as interesting as Emma Peel and was more of an attractive sidekick to Steed than
anything else, but the series was still pretty entertaining. I've seen a couple of Rigg's movies and
some of her BBC TV shows, but I remember her best as Emma Peel. Many years ago YT still had
some of the Honor Blackman episodes and some of the black and white Emma Peel episodes.
I doubt they're still available.
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I saw Brucie back in the late 1970s. I can't recall if he jumped into the audience, but he was hopping
all around the stage like a kangaroo. Good show.
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Not only had Verhoeven seen Night Editor before, but he screened it a few times every week while
shooting Basic Instinct, just to make sure he got everything copied correctly. But he was not the first
to do this. Adrian Lyne was also a long-time fan of Night Editor. He switched more things around
for Fatal Attraction as he didn't want anyone to discover that he never had had a good idea of his own
but had to rely on some old low-budget crime flick for "inspiration."
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A cinematic version of good ol' Erich Von Daniken's ancient aliens theory. "Primitive" humans could
not have built the pyramids or Stonehenge without some help from ancient aliens. Eszterhas and
Verhoeven could not have made Basic Instinct without first seeing a 45 year old movie.
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Sure, I'll have a Guinness.
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4 hours ago, cigarjoe said:
If I remember right one of the Chandler novels or short stories features an ice pick killer too. At one point in time an ice pick was a common household kitchen utensil after all.
I wouldn't be surprised. I'm sure that between 1946 and 1992 there was a person killed by an ice pick
in a movie. Maybe they saw Night Editor too.
Maybe they should have titled Night Editor Ex-Cop Selling Cigs. That would have
lured people in.
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8 hours ago, lavenderblue19 said:
We're all entitled to believe and see what we want. Personally, I don't care. We'll never know for sure whether one film influenced the other. I believe that Night Editor had some influence on Basic Instinct and as much as you want to argue the point, in the long run it doesn't matter. I might suggest you actually see both films not just read summaries. You focus on the ice pick in your statement, there are other similiar plot points you are not addressing that I mentioned., In any case, I have no problem with you believing what you believe, please respect my opinion and let's leave it at that.
I have seen both films, though it's been a while since I've seen Basic Instinct, which is why I took a look at
the plot summary. The death by ice pick thing seems to be the thing that jumped out at people, though
there were other similarities. Those other similarities are just standard characters who appear in any
number of crime films and I'm not surprised they appeared in both films. I find it totally possible that the
people behind Basic Instinct could come up with that idea on their own without having have seen Night Editor,
which isn't exactly a well-known movie. I just find it somewhat silly that on such a tenuous basis one film
was supposedly copied from another one, one that came out so long before the later film.
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Yeah, he came from a rough and tumble background, including being security. He certainly had the
build for it. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a monster. He was only a manipulative dirt bag.
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1 hour ago, NoShear said:
It was the inebriated drummer to whom I was addressing.
I realize that. I just think that Grant was a bigger bastard than Bonham, bigger in every respect.
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4 hours ago, lavenderblue19 said:
Well, I disagree. I see it and so does Miss W. I had already written that Sharon's character was an updated, modern day woman. I never wrote they were exact copies of each ,other,I'm saying that one was most likely inspired by the other . Both women are psychotic, both have an ice pick and both are voyeurs and both are overly sex-ual. You commented some posts ago that she deeply kissed her husband in front of Gargan. That's just as Sharon's character, flaunting Dorothy Malone's character in front of Michael and both male leads are portraying cops . btw, you write Sharon isn't the killer, except the story ends with the shot of the ice pick under the bed while they are in bed together,and we are lead to believe Michael is going to get it. Never said the stories are exactly the same, for me it's more than coincidence that their basic characters are so similiar. It's fine that you don't see " necessary" connections, Maybe rewatch Basic Instinct, I do see those connections.
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As I've already noted, these characters, while they're individuals, are also classic noir/crime types that one
might expect to show up in this genre. That doesn't equate with one movie with such characters being
influenced by a particular earlier movie with similar characters. That's why any such similarities don't lead
me to think that the earlier movie influenced the later. I find it perfectly plausible that the one has nothing
to do with the other. It was the Jeanne Tripplehorn character that was the actual murderer, at least according
to the plot summary. And in Night Editor the ice pick just happens to be handy; in Basic Instinct it's part of
the killer's MO. So while there are similarities I don't see them as evidence that the earlier movie was an
influence on the later one.
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3 hours ago, sagebrush said:
I kept thinking about the sequence in which they played "Dazed And Confused" and Jimmy Page uses a Cello Bow on his guitar. I've seen this done by numerous artists and it gives the guitar a truly lonesome and haunting sound, but Page was just making noise with it like a kid would do. I thought that way when I saw the film in 1979 and I still feel that way! I just can't understand why someone as gifted as he would not use the bow professionally.
I did have the opportunity to see Page live in the 1980's in a supergroup raising money for Multiple Sclerosis. He played his trademark rock riffs but also some very nice Blues guitar and some outstanding acoustic Classical and Flamenco guitar.
Maybe by that time Zeppelin was so popular that Page thought he could do whatever he wanted and
people would accept it or not care. No one doubts that he is a very talented musician. I just found some
of his playing in the movie excessive. That still pales compared to all the wonderful music he produced
with Zeppelin. I remember some guy telling me how Page bowed his guitar when he was still with The
Yardbirds. He was so excited about it I thought he was going to pass out.
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3 hours ago, NoShear said:
A similar thought could be offered up for John Bonham who, if the stories are true, could be pretty bad as well. I think that Clockwork Orange garb he sported for at least one show was befitting the Bonham reputation:
I got out my dusty copy of Hammer of the Gods. According to it Bonham's main problem was that he was
a very mean drunk and he was often drunk on tours. When sober he wasn't bad at all. Grant was a full-time
bastard. Plus Grant was a lot fatter than Bonzo.
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1 hour ago, misswonderly3 said:
But a lot of more recent directors were familiar with older movies. (Look at Martin Scorsese, for one.) And Paul Verhoeven strikes me as the kind of director who would have sought out old noir movies- he made a lot of "neo-noirs" himself.
That's certainly true, though I think Scorsese was more obsessive about watching old movies than other
directors. Whether Verhoeven ever saw Night Editor before and "copied" parts of it for Basic Instinct
I have no idea. I just don't see any necessary connection between the two films.
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1 hour ago, lavenderblue19 said:
If the screenwriter saw Night Editor, and I have have no doubt he did, it wasn't just the ice pick. Again, 2 beautiful, rich, psychopathic blondes who were overly se-x-ual and are voyeurs and get involved with cops. Remember Garagan and Douglas are both cops obsessed with these women .That's more than superficial. Sharon's character also gets bored easily and is always looking for thrills, just like Janis' character.
The rich, bored, sexy, nutso with a clueless hubby is kind of a noir/crime stereotype, though she isn't always a blonde.
The cop who goes gaga over a woman involved in a crime he is investigating is pretty familiar also. I haven't seen Basic
Instinct in a while, so I took a quick look at the plot. Unlike Night Editor, neither Douglas or Stone is married. Stone is
a novelist who makes her own living while Carter seems to leech off men, nttawwt. And apparently Stone isn't even
the killer. So there are just as many superficial differences as there are superficial similarities between the two movies.
Now whether the people who made Basic Instinct had seen Night Editor and copied some of its plot and characters
I don't know. It's possible, but I find it just as likely that any similarities are coincidental and not the result of one
film "borrowing" from the other.
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8 hours ago, lavenderblue19 said:
Yeah, and again there's that voyeurism. Sharon does the same thing in Basic Instinct to Michael only this time with Dorothy Malone.
Of course the audience saw a bit more of Sharon Stone than they did of Janis Carter. I'm not sure that the
screenwriter or director of Basic Instinct were influenced by Night Editor. The ice pick may just have
been organic to the whole plot of Basic Instinct. While there are superficial similarities, I don't know
it there was any actual connection between Night Editor and Basic Instinct, especially there being a
more than forty year gap between the two movies.
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I'm not a musician, but some of Jimmy's solos seemed rather self-indulgent and overlong. Maybe if
you were there and on something they were just fine. Right in the middle of Stairway to Heaven it
just clicked in my mind that they were going to play Moby Dick. Time for a snack break. The fantasy
sequences were dull, though knowing that Robert Plant had an interest in medieval history and
Jimmy Page was into the occult, they made sense. It was laughable to see Peter Grant going ballistic
over some poor schlub selling Zeppelin posters without proper permission. Yeah, that put a huge hole
in Zeppelin's profits. At least that fat bastard is dead. Good riddance.
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6 hours ago, laffite said:
...and funnier if he still had the ice pick in his back when Johnny recognizes him. As he walks back to the building.
Yeah. Man, I've had a backache for years. Just won't seem to clear up.
I also got a kick out of Carter giving her cuckolded hubby a very deep kiss while Gargan looks on, boiling mad.
What a crazy dame.
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I watched the first forty minutes of Night Editor on Saturday on YT and was going to finish it today.
But I figured I might as well get up a bit early and catch the last 26 minutes on TCM. Neat little
low-budget flick and very well done. It would have been funny if the ice pick was left in Gargan's
back as he walked out of the party with Carter. I was glad to see he was smart enough to change
the tire on his car. Some of these noir types are so dumb it's hard to take. I thought the night
editor and the police captain looked like brothers. The big city police captain who wore white
socks to work. I was glad that Gargan survived the ice pick, but he needs to expand his offerings.
Just cigs won't make it. Stock some newspapers, candy, magazines, and maybe a little porno on
the bottom shelf behind the counter. There you go.
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3 hours ago, sagebrush said:
Anything with "Divine" in the title sounds like it should be about Drag Queens! 😄
Very well could be. Some of my local PBS stations are showing similar music shows
over the weekend. Thank goodness TCM doesn't have those darn pledge breaks.
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2 hours ago, Hibi said:
LOL! No, not that DIVINE....
Nope. When I first saw the title Divine Madness I figured it was about Divine. He was a little....eccentric. Then I
read the description. That she was called The Divine Miss M was way back in the recesses of my mind.
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I thought the guitar player took care of the hooks. When I first saw the title Divine Madness I thought it
was a documentary about John Waters' Divine.
I'll probably watch the Zeppelin flick. I saw it when it first came out. The concert footage is pretty good,
but those god awful individual fantasy sequences. Yuck. They should have put all of them at the end so
one could walk out of the movie twenty-five minutes earlier. Whole Lotta Lousy.
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Danger, Faye Robinson, Danger! Pretty entertaining flick, even with that dumb ending. Hey, it's called very
extreme suspension of disbelief, And it's always fun to see Scott get his comeuppance, even if it's one that
is way out of left field. I never quite understood his M.O. He goes out with a woman, has her write a suicide
note, kills her, and then leaves about 2/3s of the moolah in her purse. Maybe he just liked to kill ladies and
didn't care about the money, just like Uncle Charlie left cash lying around his room like it was cigarette
butts. Still I was disappointed that such a thorough rotter wouldn't grab a big fistful of green and leave just
a few bucks to make things look normal. Okay, whatever. Faye Emerson proves that men do make passes
at girls who wear glasses, persistent passes in the case of Bruce Bennett, if you want to call his tongue-tied
hints passes. I thought she even looked a little sexier in glasses. And it also is true that women like a man
in uniform. Before he became a midshipman, Erdman looked like a missing Andy Hardy pal, but once he
shows up in that uni, Mona goes gaga. It helps that he's wearing a cap and you can't see his silly haircut.
All in all, not a bad little movie.