Vautrin
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1 hour ago, TheCid said:
So, that's what they use cotton seed oil for.
The New South had to start somewhere.
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-Are you Philip Marlowe, the private investigator?
-Yes, how can I help you?
-I'm the obviously homosexual man who comes to see you in just about all of your
novels and movies.
-Oh yeah, come on in, I've been expecting you.
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Mammy, if I ever see you riding one of those cotton burners again, I'll tan your hide.
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2 hours ago, txfilmfan said:
Been a while since I've seen it, but didn't she own/run a lumber mill/yard
Yes, as the blog you posted noted, she did start a sawmill/lumber business before Frank
Kennedy died. Maybe she could have named her growing business empire Fiddledeedee, Inc.
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2 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
By 'middle age codger' do you mean Frank Kennedy? (fiancé of Scarlett's younger sister?). I assume YES;
I have always wondered if the book provides more details about why Scarlett had to marry him in order to pay those taxes on Tara. Say Frank had gone ahead and married Suellen. Wouldn't he had helped the family? E.g. paid off the taxes, provided jobs to family members etc.... Ok, he might want rights to some of Tara, but I assume he got those anyhow when he married Scarlett (and those rights went back to Scarlett and the O'Hara family only because Frank died).
I.e. That point of: if Scarlett wouldn't have married Frank Kennedy, the O'Hara family would have lost Tara and been out on the street, is therefor bogus.
Yes, Frank Kennedy. He seemed an obliging enough gent to help the O'Hara family, fellow Irish-Americans
and the family of his fiancee. Of course if he had married Suellen that would have put Scarlett a few rungs
down the ladder of power, which was something she couldn't tolerate. And Suellen might have wanted to
give Scarlett a few lessons in humility.
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5 hours ago, TheCid said:
What is "right wing" about this? What is the title of the song?
I thought the space between the two "paragraphs" would show that the first was distinct from the second.
I also thought that most folks would know the difference between Skynyrd and the Allman Brothers. Blue
Sky is the name of the song. Well you know what they say about assume.
I too figured the two local yokels knew about what Kathy Browne did after the sun set and gave Vince her
phone number. I also have seen Kathy in loads of TV shows from the 1960s. A very pretty actress. She
almost married Adam on Bonanza, but then fell for his cousin. I believe she escaped the curse of the
women who were about to marry one of the Cartwright boys. She was also on Perry Mason, maybe more
than once.
The two guys who escorted Vince around LA had it pretty easy. Just drive the guy around and twiddle their
thumbs most of the time. Vastly overpaid. The interactions between the three of them was one of the best
parts of the picture. Of course in the end they were both killed, even Bernardi who liked Vince.
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10 hours ago, TikiSoo said:
You think so? What resources did women have in 1865 to provide for herself & dependents?
Any stashed away Confederate money was worthless, there was nothing valuable to sell except Tara and Scarlett wasn't going to leave anyone homeless. All she had was herself to sell and marriage was the lesser evil than prostitution, which she had no experience. She did have experience in flattering men - only now it was necessity rather than fueled by emotion. Well, I guess the emotion that made her decision was fear of hunger & homelessness.
This is why GWTW is a period piece of manners. It illustrates what life was like and how far (or not far) we've come.
I'm sure a person of Scarlett's intelligence and deviousness would have found a way to turn a legal buck,
without having to marry a wealthy old codger (okay he was only a middle aged codger, but old codger is
funnier.) She could have rented the remaining slaves out as day labor and maybe done the same with her
sisters. She would have led a less glamorous life, but she could have done okay. In some aspects the movie is
a period piece, in others it's a rather over the top melodrama, a sometimes entertaining one at that.
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I watched this on YT a few years ago. Pretty decent low budget flick. If I recall it correctly, Vince
Edwards was kind of the cold-blooded professional type who was also a bit of a smart aleck.
And at 80 minutes it moves along at a good pace.
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I saw parts of it and found it very interesting. And being 43 years old it's also a bit of a time
capsule from the late 1970s. I recognized Jill Johnston, who wrote for The Village Voice
and was fairly well known in feminist circles in the 1960s and 1970s. She looked a bit like
Joni Mitchell in this film. I got a kick out of the woman with the beehive do and the woman
she was in a relationship with, who was dressed like a man. Sitting together on a couch they
look like Mr. and Mrs. Suburban Squares, which I doubt was the impression they meant to
give.
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11 hours ago, TikiSoo said:
Exactly. While a man would strong-arm or buy his way up the top, Scarlett uses the only power she has, giving away herself in marriage. It's wrong by antebellum moral standards, but Scarlett declares "I'm going to beat them at their own game" stopping at nothing to provide for herself and her loved ones-including her now technically free slaves.
Does anyone ever talk about the idea several of Tara's slaves stay living there after they're freed? Mitchell's intention was to show everyone's confusion over the fall of the previous society and Scarlett taking responsibility for them as her family. Scarlett, her sisters, Melanie all worked the fields for all to eat.
But "beating them at their own game" implies that she is playing their game, which is basically a
corrupt, dishonest one. I think she could have provided for herself and her various dependents
without marrying the rich guy. That allows her to get back close to her original economic situation,
as long as she's willing to keep cheating in business.
No doubt some slaves got the hell off the plantation and some stayed, whether for practical or
other reasons. Perhaps it was more likely that the house servants would have stayed and the field
hands would have left.
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11 hours ago, TikiSoo said:
The first half of the movie Scarlet's a typical teen - self centered. She's so wrapped up in herself she doesn't realize other people exist outside of her own needs.
In the second half she realizes no one is going to take care of her any more. She steps up and not only takes care of herself, but everyone else around her-the O'Haras, the Wilkes & the slaves.
And when the one person who would take care of her leaves, she stops crying, realizing she'll be OK without him.
If that coming-of-age maturation came from a man, the comment would be "He's grown up! Strong!"
But because she's a woman, the comments are always, "what a witch!" proving misogyny still exists in our society.
How about Scarlett is a belle on wheels? She finally gets back to her original position by marrying a rich old dude who
kindly exits so she can inherit the business and build it up, likely through questionable business dealings. Nothing
to applaud in a person of either gender.
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14 hours ago, Dargo said:
And THIS is exactly what I've thought of its SECOND HALF since the very first time I watched it during its early-'70s theater re-issue("ante"-CBS television premiere) showing.
But once again, only or at least primarily its second half.
Now, I think its FIRST HALF is not only much better paced and less episodic (besides being less melodramatic or "soapy") but also contains some of the best cinematography in any film ever made.
Yeah, the first half seems relatively subdued, plus it takes some exposition time to get the melodrama train up
to full speed. And the Civil War is obviously going to put most of the characters into places they didn't expect
to be and upend their mostly placid lives. And the visuals and production values and the whole epic sweep of
the Civil War story are first rate. I vaguely remember going on a school trip to see GWTW in one of its re-releases.
How the teachers sold a trip to see an almost four hour movie as educational and why they would want to take
a mess of kids to do so is beyond me. Of course we got bored and there was a lot of snickering and joking, though
I don't think anybody actually threw anything at the screen.
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Have it discovered a few months after the tragic death on four legs of Bonnie that she is
actually the illegitimate offspring of U.S. Grant and Prissy.
Have Ashley open the first gay bar in Atlanta, the Carpetbugger.
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Antebellum, Scarlett was a manipulative witch, bellum, she was a manipulative witch, postbellum,
she was a manipulative witch, just in a more economic sphere. She stole her sister's husband to be,
married the rich old coot and he graciously was killed and she inherited the business. After that
it was more exploitation and low dealing. Sort of business Donny with better hair. Wind is kind
of the culmination of the higher Hollywood nonsense. As entertaining as if often is, it's difficult
not to see it as a piece of overheated melodrama.
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I don't know nothin' about streaming no platforms.
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1 hour ago, Dargo said:
Yeah, I thought of adding this Lynyrd Skynyrd rebuttal to my earlier reference to Neil Young's song, but then thought the better of it.
(...and basically because every time I hear Sweet Home Alabama on the radio and Ronnie Van Zant intoning that last line, I always think to myself, "The hell you DIDN'T, you southern boy you...well, maybe not Ronnie PERSONALLY, but it hadn't been all that long since lynchings would cease being a phenomenon down there)
I've read that Van Zant eventually came to be easier on Young and would sometimes wear a Neil Young tee
shirt in concert and say he admired Young's music. The recent version of Skynyrd seems to be more right
wing than the original.
Good old Sunday mornin', bells are ringin' everywhere
Goin' to Carolina, it won't be long and I'll be there-
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1 hour ago, chaya bat woof woof said:
Vautrin: Are you quoting Lynrd Skynrd (sp?)? As for Jennifer Jones, Lust in the Dust aka Duel in the Sun anyone? What about Hedy Lamar saying something like call me Tandalayo (sp?)?
Yes, it's from Sweet Home Alabama. I often can't recall exactly how LS is spelled either. I like both Neil Young
and Skynyrd, so I really don't have a problem with either one. I haven't seen Duel in the Sun in ages. I seem to
recall that Jennifer Jones was made up to look like she was of mixed parentage. Parts of that movie were
certainly over the top in a LOL way.
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The only way I buy Mary Anderson being a "negro," is if she was supposed to be of
mixed race and they were applying the one-drop rule. Other than that, it's pretty idiotic.
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Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A southern man don't need him around, anyhow.
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My grandmother was big on Reader's Digest. I think the name of the feature was My Most Unforgettable
Character. I just finished family by Ian Frazier a while ago. It's part boomer memoir, part family history, and
part general reflections on different topics. Interesting and well written. There is a fairly lengthy section on
certain Civil War battles as some of Frazier's ancestors fought in the war on the Union side.
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1 hour ago, laffite said:
If you ever acquire the X-Ray vision function, file a report.
I'd probably keep it secret for a little while.
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16 hours ago, Dargo said:
Actually, I never thought the two Lois Lanes on the '50s "The Adventures of Superman" series looked all that much alike, Vautrin.
I always thought Phyllis Coates had a more mature and patrician appearance, and whereas Noel Neill always looked to me as if she could still almost play juvenile roles at that time and with a much softer appearance.
(...I believe Noel was much more diminutive than Phyllis, also)
I did. Not that they were indistinguishable, but I saw similarities. Of course that's without the aid of X-Ray vision.
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2 hours ago, Dargo said:
Now now Vautrin, remember here.
(...this is Mary Astor, not Barbara Stanwyck)
I guess Bob was a cougar magnet. I had forgotten about Barbara Stanwyck. She liked his boyish good looks
and he liked her big valley.
Getting back to Noel Neill for a minute. I thought she looked pretty similar to Phyllis Coates, the other actress
who played Lois Lane.
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Despite the differences in age and interests--he liked flower arranging and she never missed
a midget wrestling match, they fell hard for each other immediately. They just couldn't keep
their hands off each other. Many years after it was over Mary confided to a gal pal, "Bobby,
oh dear. He made George look like Daffy Duck."
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Noir Alley
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Yep. The only thing missing is Powell taking a whiff of the no doubt heavily
perfumed card. Sorry guy, Philip only swings one way.