Vautrin
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1 hour ago, jakeem said:
Thanks! I somehow didn't realize that the two series ended at the same time. Thank goodness for syndication! They'll probably run forever.
Especially Star Trek. I likely wouldn't have realized it if I hadn't been watching the WWW reruns and did a little googling
around to refresh my memory. I believe that for a while they both ran on Friday nights, though at different times and
on different networks. Another interesting bit of trivia is that during the first season when the cartoon cowboy is
threatened by the saloon girl with a knife in the illustrated opening he kisses her and she is overcome. In later seasons
the cowboy slugs her and knocks her down.
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1 hour ago, TomJH said:
COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC ON A TRIBUTE THREAD IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING A MAN'S DEATH, ESPECIALLY ON A SITE FOR MOVIE FANS!
If you're so eager to discuss this salacious stuff take it to Twitter or Facebook. I'm sure you'll find plenty there who like to swim in rumours and muck.
Please don't do it here.
Thank You.
A number of movie stars have things that don't redound to their glory. You likely wouldn't have had a tribute thread to
Robert Mitchum after he died without mentioning his pot bust or one to Alfred Hitchcock without mentioning some
rumors about him. It's all part of the show biz merry go round. Of course the Kirk Douglas-Natalie Wood situation
is only a rumor, but in the era of #MeToo it takes on a certain added interest.
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1 hour ago, jakeem said:
Don't forget the actresses who appeared in the series. Many of them also had guest star roles on "Star Trek," which started a year later and lasted a year longer than "The Wild Wild West."
Antoinette Bower guest starred in the Season 1's "The Night of Sudden Death."
Actually Star Trek ended the same time as The Wild Wild West as Trek only ran three seasons. Of course a lot of
the actresses who appeared on both shows were familiar faces who appeared in many TV shows of that era. I
remember the Antoinette Bower episode. She played a wild animal trainer who was a bit on the dominatrix side,
part of a deadly circus with the head man having some plan to take over the world or part of it. Barbara Eden
was also in a WWW episode, though she wasn't in Star Trek. There were also a number of actors who played
President Grant. In the later seasons of the program it became more like a western with some of the crazy
villains and their hardware toned down and more typical western setting like small towns and saloons with
West wearing more typical western stuff not the fancy dan vests and jackets he wore earlier, though those
still showed up.
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2 hours ago, Bethluvsfilms said:
Tom is right.....it's time to lay off the "Did or didn't Kirk rape Natalie Wood?" scenario, at least on this thread.
This thread is meant to be a tribute to Kirk, his film legacy and paying respects to his passing....if you're not interested in contributing anything but insisting "it's very possible that he is a rapist", then I suggest to start a new thread about it elsewhere.
That's the dilemma of the old Hollywood stars. One side of the coin was the good pr and the other was the
negative kind. When you're a public figure you have to put up with both. I don't see anything wrong with bringing
up speculation on that small part of Douglas' life. It's all part of the whole and the tributes have far outweighed
the topic of Natalie Wood.
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FETV is running it on weekday afternoons. It's still fairly entertaining and was certainly different from the
usual 1960s western, with all the gadgetry and villains trying to take over the world, though the latter
got a bit tiresome after a while. And West had everything in his shoe heel but the Mona Lisa. Conrad
did appear without a shirt in many episodes and he certainly was buff, at least for that era. Even Ross
Martin would go shirtless on occasion, but no need to talk about that. I don't believe that Dr. Loveless
actually died in the last episode he was in, though I was always hoping the little bastard would get
his.
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6 hours ago, spence said:
what do you mean?
I mean that the fact that Natalie signed Kirk's personal home walk of fame is not evidence that he didn't
assault her. We now know that friendly behavior between a victim and her victimizer is possible, however
contradictory that seems to common sense.
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I'm not surprised that a guy like Mitchum, born in 1917, might be somewhat racist. Most people were back
in that day. And it's hard to argue that using the n word, even in a "complimentary" way, is the sign of
a non-racist. I still wouldn't mind having a couple of blasts at the bowling alley with Bob....as long as
he's paying.
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Folks tend to idolize the old time movie stars, understandably so since in a certain way they were
larger than life. But that doesn't mean they didn't have human flaws and did bad things just like
other people.
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1 hour ago, Allhallowsday said:
I don't agree. What I saw revisited on the news last night could certainly be construed as evidence either way. I construe it that they had a friendship.
I saw it too. It was a little weird that Kirk had his own walk of fame. Back in the day people would have seen Natalie
signing it as proof that there had been no assault because how could anyone do something like that for someone who
had assaulted her. Now we know that is not necessarily so, so her signing it proves nothing to me. This is something
that people will have to make up their own minds about.
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As people now understand, the fact that Natalie Wood signed Kirk's slab is not evidence of anything.
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12 hours ago, Fedya said:
To be fair, that's Oscar-winner Sidney Sheldon. (He wrote the screenplay for The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer.)
I was referring to Sheldon's later career as a best-selling novelist. TBATB is a wonderful movie, deserving of an
Oscar for its screenplay.
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Yeah, let's get back to the real Issur. Kirk baby was also a novelist. I even found a copy of Last Tango in
Brooklyn, Mr. D's third novel, in the house. Apparently it was quite a wonderful book. Noted literary
critic Larry King sez "The man is a flat-out-terrific storyteller." The contemporary author who most
resembles Henry James, Sidney Sheldon, notes "Kirk Douglas has carved out a brilliant new career."
The Seattle Times writes "A solid writer who moves the story along quickly." I don't know about that
one. Sounds like they're glad someone made their hero sandwich very quickly. I'm starting to feel
like I'm at a wake, though I don't think Mr. D was Irish. Drinks on me.
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One of my aunts went to school with Kirk in Amsterdam, NY. She died a few years ago. Of course
I would have preferred that Kirk went first. Now, in a small way, I feel the account has been closed.
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6 hours ago, Hibi said:
Yeah, I don't think it was ever mentioned and Andy went on w/out a deputy! I never realized he was on such a short time. I thought it was a full season.....
Maybe it just seemed like a full season. Mayberry being such a small town with little crime, guess another
deputy wasn't needed. With no deputy, characters like Howard, Goober, and Emmett got more time.
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2 hours ago, Hibi said:
I thought he was on for more than 11 episodes that one season. Did he leave before the season was over?
Just eleven. Those appearances were in the first half of the season. I don't think there was ever a reason
given for why Warren suddenly disappeared from Mayberry, he was just gone.
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I know I saw Last Summer on TCM a fairly long time ago. Don't remember too many of the details. It did
do a good job of representing the odd one out theme and was better than many of the young generation
flicks of the late 60s and early 70s.
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6 hours ago, Hibi said:
I didn't know he had died! I liked him on that show (I know many didn't).
There seem to be many fans who never took to Warren, maybe because they thought no one could replace
Don Knotts and also because he was a rather annoying character. He was okay. I got more laughs out of
Howard Sprague and his mother than Warren. Andy Griffith said they thought the character would work
but he didn't and said it was his fault and not Jack Burns'.
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15 hours ago, LawrenceA said:
Yes, I read about his death last week, I think. I also remember him for the short-lived Fridays sketch comedy show. He got into a (staged) dust-up with Andy Kaufman in one episode that everyone thought was real for many years.
I don't recall the Fridays sketch, though it was mentioned in the obit. I didn't see anything in the local paper
and only found out about it because it was mentioned on one of The Andy Griffith Show fan websites which
I look at once in a while.
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It has not been a good time for Burnses. Jack Burns passed away on January 27, 2019 at age 86. For a brief time
he was a comedy duo with George Carlin and for a longer time with Avery Schreiber. He didn't do too many
movies, and was mostly on TV. He may be best remembered for his role as Deputy Warren in The Andy Griffith
Show. He took over after Don Knotts left the show, but Warren, with Burns' catchphrase huh...huh,...huh, didn't
last too long. He only appeared for 11 episodes in the 1965-66 season. His later career was mostly behind the
cameras.
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11 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
A bit too old and a bit too Welsh.
I dunno. I don’t mean to sell Burton short, but I don’t see it working.
also, an effective Marlowe Performance would require underplaying it, and we all know that wasn’t exactly Dick’s specialty.I don't think he would have many problems with an American accent and the age thing shouldn't be too
much of a problem, Burton being younger than Mitchum. He could take the Leamas character from
TSWCIFTC, tone it down and work it up to Marlowe. Even if it didn't work, I would like to see it.
Liz has the heft for Malloy, but she lacks the stature. She would be perfect for the Sylvia Miles part,
just like Martha but with a wardrobe change. What a DUMP.
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I would have loved to see Burton tackle the part of Marlowe, just to see how it turned out. He too would
have been a bit too old to play Marlowe, though he was about ten years younger than Mitchum.
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Maybe Thou shalt not pee in the pool should be the 11th commandment.
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An interesting caveat to vinyl v. CD sales. While vinyl will likely outsell CDs in terms of revenue,
in terms of units sold, CDs will sell twice as many in numbers as records do. This is mostly due
to the fact that records now cost much more than CDs.
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5 hours ago, Dargo said:
And ain't THAT the truth!
And especially by THIS studio located in Burbank...
Yep, ol' Jack L.'s studio here was noted for makin' more than a few "message movies" about society's ills back in the day, alright.
(...good point, Vautrin)
And if there were some wise-cracking swell looking dames and the guys got into fisticuffs and liked
to shoot their guns on occasion, where's the harm?
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Actor-producer-author Kirk Douglas (1916-2020)
in General Discussions
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I didn't mean to compare a rape to a pot bust. I was focused on comparing a fact to a rumor. Certainly a pot bust is much
less serious than a rape, though to be clear in this case we are talking about the rumor of one.