Vautrin
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1 hour ago, Princess of Tap said:
Roberta Shore's greatest moment in movie history is as the loud mouth gossip in "A Summer Place",
who sees (the secretly pregnant) Sandra Dee with Troy Donahue and immediately reports back to her loud mouth gossip mother,
who tells Sandra Dee's sadistic mother,
who immediately screams at Sandra Dee and throws the Christmas tree at her.
Another great moment in 1950s teen cinema.....YES!
I saw A Summer Place only once many years ago, so I don't recall too much about it,
except that much of it was unintentionally funny, as many of those 1950s teenagers in
trouble flicks were. The song was pretty nifty.
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I know the ending to Blue Denim was the usual Hollywood cop out happy ending, but I was
glad that's what happened. I felt sorry for both of those kids and it was nice that they got
together and could help one another. It was also fun to see Roberta Shore as the teenage
singer. She would have a co-starring role on The Virginian a few years later.
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1 hour ago, Hibi said:
Could be that way again.......
I don't think things will ever go back to that time. A number of states have tried to basically
outlaw abortion or make it very difficult to get one or for clinics to keep operating, but they
have been blocked by judges for the most part. I don't think the Supreme Court will overturn
Roe v. Wade, but if it does it will likely become a state matter and so some states will still
have legal abortion. That would certainly make it more difficult for women who live in
states that outlaw it to get abortions. That would make Ernie happy.
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Nothing comes between me and my Calvins. Not even a
back alley abortionist.
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My paper had a strange pairing in the major obituaries page. On top of Carol Lynley's was that of
the police supervisor who was handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald when he was shot. I think he was
99. Although Carol's was at the bottom her's was longer.
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If I was Macdonald Carey I sure as hell wouldn't have let Ernie anywhere near my car.
The little we saw of the office of the back alley abortionist didn't look too bad. Okay,
the guy was smoking a cig, but lots of doctors still did that at the time. In today's
money it would have cost $811.00 for the abortion. With a ride to and from the place,
doesn't sound too bad.
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4 hours ago, Hibi said:
I'm sure she had several........
Probably. Wooden coat hangers only though.
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No doubt Joan would have gotten a quickie abortion. I saw it a number of years ago, but the trailer
is so campy I might tune in.
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2 hours ago, Hibi said:
I remember the book, but not the movie. Who was in it? I seem to remember that various authors wrote one chapter in the book w/out using their real names. i don't know how they agreed on the plot details. LOL.
I think I remember the book too, or rather the title, more than the movie, which came out six years later.
There were no names that I recognized in the movie. Wiki has the details about the book. It was written
by a number of Newsday reporters and columnists, long before Ray Barone worked there. I suppose that
since it was a porn book plot details wren't all that important.
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19 hours ago, overeasy said:
"Two separate works of art." That is indeed a very good way to look at them. While film often follows a novels narrative form, the detail is, almost by necessity, lost. If you want that, read the book. A film is a totally different form and is often more visceral.
Though an interesting study of this is in obverse is with The Maltese Falcon. The first two attempts at bringing it to the screen were watered-down. Huston opted to rely much more on the book, and we know how that turned out.
I used to be disappointed that the movie version left plot elements or characters out,
then I realized that it was impossible for a movie to get in all the parts of the book,
especially if the book was a long one. So I now consider them as separate works, even
though it is obvious that one is adapted from the other, however incompletely. I seem
to always miss the two earlier versions of The Maltese Falcon when they are shown. I've
seen parts of them, but one day maybe I'll catch the entire movies.
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I was reading the Wiki article on Trog. Joan would have a glass that said Pepsi on the outside
but it was full of 100 proof vodka. If only the move theater had given the same thing to every patron.
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6 hours ago, Sepiatone said:
I've mentioned in here before about an early '70's "soft porn" flick called NAKED CAME THE STRANGER that was playing at only one theater somewhere in Oakland County, MI with very little if any interest from the public. Then the new(but now recently deceased Oakland County commissioner, but that came a few years later) Oakland county prosecuting attorney, claiming "in the name of common decency" tried banning the movie on grounds of it being pornographic and puriently indecent. THEN the theater, whose management claimed the movie was going to be pulled early due to lack of revenue suddenly had lines around the block of people waiting to get in and see it.
Sepiatone
I remember, just vaguely, that movie title. Doesn't leave much to the imagination about its
content. Yeah about all it takes is some blabbermouth saying how immoral something is
for there to be an immediate uptick in interest. The theater should have sent him a free
pass as a thank you gift.
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Now how could anyone know that Wee Willy Williams would die the next day?
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Joan Crawford as you've never seen her before.
Joan fulfilling the promise of her early movie career.
Joan Crawford is TROG!!!
I hate to admit it, but I actually saw this thing when it first came out. Maybe I was
hit on the head that day. At least the buttered popcorn and Coke were good.
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6 hours ago, Sepiatone said:
Or maybe too, those making the protests. Their "outrage" probably created more interest in The Bard from teens than there ever was to begin with.
Sepiatone
That does often happen. A book or movie that people weren't all that interested in suddenly, for
whatever reason, becomes controversial and everybody starts talking about it. I guess that's
marginally better than some folks who want to censor books they've never read. That always
makes me laugh.
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Billy, we can't go on meeting like this. I can't fly to Turkey every month and my
boobs get cold against this glass. I've met this new stud back in Texas and we're
going to New York to try our luck as a folkie duo, Joe and Blow. But if you ever
want to talk to me just give me a call, just don't make it collect. See ya honey.
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5 hours ago, Sepiatone said:
And on that note I'll mention my Mother's consternation in the early '90s when a group of what she called "lemon-sucking prudes" tried to get American public high schools to drop the idea of having those students read WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE'S "Romeo and Juliet" due to the matter of teen-age marriage and sexual activity in the classic, and it might incite impressionable teen-agers into being sexually active!
Her argument being that as most people, even adults found Shakespeare boring and hard to understand, then how in the HELL are those kids going to get ANY unsavory ideas from it? Well, I got her point since I recalled when we were reading the play in English class all I could think of was how it seemed to be the ONLY thing that could make me look forward to GYM CLASS! 
Sepiatone
I wish somebody had tried to stop our class from reading Romeo and Juliet. Of course
that might leave Macbeth or Hamlet, which aren't exactly wholesome reading material.
Yeah, I doubt that most teenagers would have picked up on all of Shakespeare's erotic
puns unless the teacher pointed them out.
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On 8/30/2019 at 10:29 AM, Det Jim McLeod said:
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Hey, I'm tryin' to eat some soup here.
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20 hours ago, Dargo said:
Hmmm...I'm not sure either.
But, I DO recall that Ted started out at a 5,000 watt radio station in Fresno California if that's any help at all.
(...R.I.P., Valerie)
Not bad for a lonely young lad who cowered in his bedroom because no one invited him to the
school dance.
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1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
It isn't very pretty.
or so I hear.
No it wasn't. TWP is one of those early 1960s films where they could only go so far, but they go
as far as they can and make it as sleazy as possible with lots of wink winks. As a story about how
a town can get ugly and turn against its citizens it does so very effectively. Kirk's goal was to break
down the girl so totally that she would not complete her testimony and so his clients could not
face the death penalty. That worked, but other things did not. And the sound of the theme song
fits perfectly with the whole nasty vibe of the movie.
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7 hours ago, Sepiatone said:
Not really, as most people then (than apparently now) realized it was a sitcom and not a documentary.
And after shows like MY MOTHER THE CAR, THE MUNSTERS, MY FAVORITE MARTIAN and GILLIGAN'S ISLAND, well then ALL IN THE FAMILY must have seemed like PBS level television! And I don't think most people, like me, saw Edith as ignorant as she was(and I stated earlier) innocuous. And delightfully so. And never judging people quick or harsh, but waited for them to display their true personalities before she held an impression that never had anything to do with race, ethnicity, age, gender or any other outward appearance.
Sepiatone
I agree with that and I didn't think too much of it at the time, but watching the show in
reruns for many years, I just have to say that the American educational system wasn't
quite as good as people say it was in the 1930s and 1940s.
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8 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
WHEN Kirk was a SOTM a good while ago, they had to pull LONELY ARE THE BRAVE and rerun MARTHA IVERS (which is PUBLIC DOMAIN) in its scheduled slot. They thought they had the rights but they didn't. they kept airing the promo for it all month though.
That is kind of funny. I know it's been on TCM before and I too think it is one of Kirk's best
films. I watched Town Without Pity, which I hadn't seen in ages. Being the early 1960s, Kirk
used the blame the victim defense on steroids. Things didn't turn out quite as he had hoped,
at least in some respects.
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Not to go too deep into the MTM weeds, but in at least one episode Rhoda mentioned that
she made more money than Mary did and it was not a joke. IRL you'd wonder why she didn't
get a bigger apartment and move out of her extended closet. It was even funnier that Lou
wanted to move into Rhoda's apartment. And actually Mary didn't have a college education.
Rhoda spilled the beans in the WJM newsroom without meaning any harm. I can't recall if
Mary attended college for a year or two or not.
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Fetv just stopped showing TMTMS last week after it had run two episodes a weekday for a little
less than a year. Of course they were edited. It's pretty obvious when they have scenes in the
closing credits that weren't shown during the episode. Some of my favorites with Rhoda were
the one where she and Mary attended the club for divorced people, called something like the
Better Luck Next Time Around, and found out that, just like themselves, most of the people
weren't divorced, the one where they attended Mary's high school class reunion, and the one
where Rhoda invited a man she had been in a fender bender with to a small party and she
found out he was married, Armand Linton and his wife....Nancy. No doubt there are more, but
those are some that come to mind. R.I.P.
Her argument being that as most people, even adults found Shakespeare boring and hard to understand, then how in the HELL are those kids going to get ANY unsavory ideas from it? Well, I got her point since I recalled when we were reading the play in English class all I could think of was how it seemed to be the ONLY thing that could make me look forward to GYM CLASS! 
BLUE DENIM
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I did notice that a number of parts of Herrmann's score sounded like the more melancholy and
haunting parts of some of the work he did for Hitchcock. I think the viewer can assume that
these two kids will have it rough, at least for a while, but things might work out over the long
haul.