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Christopher Lee was not a hollywood star and in many ways he was an Anti-Hollywood star. His new fame using Dracula in 1959 was accepted poorly.
I saw Horror of Dracula in its first run in 1959. When it began the rich colors and dreadful music put me in a fright mode. It was 90 degrees outside. But very cold in the theater. Horror of Dracula was too good. I know there was 20 seconds added at the end but the stakings were cut and that ruined the movie. Britain back then was in competition with Hollywood. And this competition caused Horror of Dracula to be destroyed.
TCM is good for certain films and stars but Christopher Lee is not TCMs darling.
this beautiful young woman became very old after being staked - using photographic effects
it was a real shocker never done in movies before. and an election year movie.
exactly. they are all to willing to shortchange horror and science fiction.
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And not a name was mentioned...
Jerome Moross
I love Moross' TV theme to Lancer.
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Alex North's score for Spartacus.
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I am a fan of JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBERG (1961), and though it is a long film, whenever it's on I find myself drawn to sitting down and watching it again.
TCM has aired it at least a couple of times a year for awhile now, and I have seen it a few of those times, but there was something alittle different about the version they showed yesterday.
First I noticed that the film was in Pan & Scan, and I am sure that it has been shown before in Widescreen format.
Then I noticed some unusual captioning in three places...
When the title showed "Judgement At Nuremberg" there was a small caption above it reading: Vincitori E Vinti
Then, when the movie began there was a caption in English stating place and time: Nuremberg Germany 1948 (with a caption below stating: Norimbera, Germania 1948)
Then the movie progressed without any noticeable differences, other than No Widescreen.
Until the very end, when on screen in English there was the postscript caption:
The Nuremberg trials held in the American zone ended July 14, 1949.
There were ninety-nine defendants sentenced to prison terms. Not one is still serving his sentence.
And below that the caption:
I processi di Norimberga tenutisi nella zona Americana finirono il 14 Luglio 1949.
99 imputati furono condannati A una pena detentiva. Nessuno di loro e ancora in prigione.
I was still not quite sure of myself, so I did a little googling to see if I could find out if this film had different release versions.
Wiki states a run time of 179 min (same as TCM) however IMDB has a run time posted of 186 min (same as Amazon.com).
IMDB states Aspect Ratio 1.75 : 1, Amazon advertizes their DVD at 1.66:1 Aspect Ratio, Widescreen Letterboxed, as does the most recent 2015 Kino release, and earlier 2004-2007 MGM releases.
TCM advertises a 2014 Blu-Ray version, which appears to be similar in discriptive content to the MGM 2004 Special Edition release except that version is listed with a 186 min run time
http://www.amazon.com/Judgment-at-Nuremberg-Spencer-Tracy/dp/B0002CR04A
http://netbusterflix.com/judgment-at-nuremberg-special-edition-dvd/
whereas the TCM advertised version is listed as "Widescreen" aspect raio and at 179 min.
But the TCMDb Archive Materials contradicts that with a run time listed at 190 min???
http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/22842/Judgment-at-Nuremberg/#
So why did TCM air an edited Italiano Pan & Scan screen version of JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBERG???
And why, if there is a longer 186 or 190 min version out there, does TCM not air it?
I've gone through this with other films listed with different run times.
Sometimes they are legit, sometimes not.
Sometimes one is a longer "Road Show" version, usually with additional music score in the beginning, and during an intermission/enteracte with additional end/exit music.
But sadly, there are numerous television and rerelease edited & shortened versions of way too many film favorites.
And then, sometimes the run time differences cannot be verified as any original unedited version may no longer be available, anywhere.
But if there is a legitimate "longer" version of JUDGEMENT... out there, I'd like to see it.
Especially if there was actual film content, and not just music, edited out in the shorter version.
186-190 minutes vs a 179 minute run-time is a 7-11 minute difference, that's either a lot of missing music or content, or both.
And Why TCM, show us a Pan & Scan, when you've shown us the widescreen version numerous times in the past?
After so many TCM showings of this great film over the years, I assumed that TCM had the best version in their library.
However, this error means that either the TCM library also contains somewhat inferior P&S versions, or this is another case of TCM receiving whatever some vender had on the shelf with the same title, though altered content.
JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBERG is still a very powerfull film, in either version.
But someone who has never seen it before may believe that it was made in Pan & Scan, and may wonder about the significance of the Italian captioning?
I don't want to be a nit picker, because I know errors of this type are fortunetly rare with TCM, and this one is really barely noticeable, except for perhaps those who have seen this film several times.
But I am curious now, how this film, which most likely at one time had been edited with Italian captioning throughout, most likely for an Italian TV audience (hence the Pan & Scan), ended up back over here, in the TCM line-up, with the prior trouble taken to reedit again, and remove all of the Italian subtitles for an English listening audience, with the exception of the Title, early beginning and end postscript Italian captioning.
And if those listed run time differences are correct (???), I'd like to request that TCM please show us the longer version of this film, with an advance heads-up that it is the LONGER version that will be playing in their schedule.
And, for those who have actually read this post in it's entirety, I'd like to ask
Can any of you recall seeing a longer version than the 179 min version that TCM airs, and if so, can you share what is missing in the shorter version?
their regular gorgeous print must not be back from the dry cleaners yet.
hey, these are the guys who didn't even try to get the 2012 restored print of hammer studio's Dracula (1958) to truly honor horror giant the late Christopher Lee. so what to expect? superlativeness in presentation? methinks not. 
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gonna be watchin' cult of the cobra tonite. faith domergue's gonna be hot. tonite's vttbots ep is a favorite of mine too. Kowalski sticks a screwdriver in a superbomb's missile silo and puts a dirty black mark on the access plate. scruffy.
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Just because the BFI has a restored version of it doesn't mean that TCM can get the rights to it. Even if they have the rights to the non-restored version, that doesn't mean TCM automatically gets the new restoration. That's not how it works.
Often, when an archive like BFI does a restoration, it's actually funded either by a studio or a third party which puts restrictions on what the archive can do with it.
they woan bust a gut to get the bfi print then they shouldn't crow so much about what great cinemaphiles they be.
slackers be all, slackers!
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would these guys ever show an inferior print of The Third Man?
how then have they properly payed tribute to Christopher Lee by not showing the 2012 restored BFI print of Hammer's Dracula from 1958? tcm's older Americanized cut does not have the fully restored sunlight disintegration climax.I say Lee's passing rated tcm going to the trouble of getting a hold of it.
you're either going to do justice to the horror and science fiction genres and their icons or you are not.
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have his scores to star trek II the wrath of khan and star trek III the search for spock on cd.
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Well, I have to agree that Lee had a wonderful voice. But Lugosi is my favorite Dracula.
well, maybe you're right.
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Get em Tommy Udo.
the psycho with a sense of humor (tee-hee). the delooxe short dinner guy.
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and just like I said they would, tcm showed their aging inferior unrestored print of Horror of Dracula. what kind of respect for Christopher Lee is that? not much I would say, no, not much.
now if I were running tcm...
you can bet Valerie Gaunt's bo som the 2012 BFI restored print of Hammer's Dracula woulda been shown.
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his Dracula persona was hamstrung by the hammer stupes, everyone knows that. you think the lack of Dracula saying anything was Lee's idea? of course not. but when they did let him speak as Dracula it was always powerful and forboding. only idiots would compare Lee's powerful incomparable Dracula persona to Lugosi. there's no visual horror. Lugosi doan even have fangs.
and just like I said they would, tcm showed their aging inferior unrestored print of Horror of Dracula. what kind of respect for Christopher Lee is that? not much I would say, no, not much.
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I think his Dracula stinks, but that's just me. I like him in other things, but as Dracula - pew!
his Dracula persona was hamstrung by the hammer stupes, everyone knows that. you think the lack of Dracula saying anything was Lee's idea? of course not. but when they did let him speak as Dracula it was always powerful and forboding. only idiots would compare Lee's powerful incomparable Dracula persona to Lugosi. there's no visual horror. Lugosi doan even have fangs.
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They're showing stuff like the mummy, curse of frankenstein and the first three hammer dracula films to pay tribute tomorrow to the screen's greatest count dracula, Christopher Lee. betcha tcm will show their older non-restored horror of dracula print with the incomplete sunlight disintegration climax. there is the 2012 restored BFI print with the complete sunlight disintegration but that would be too much to expect of tcm, wouldn't it?...
slackers!
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just read up on Gloria Holden on IMDb. she was alright. She didn't like being remembered for Dracula's Daughter and she was the mother of TV and film actor Glenn Corbett, star trek's original Zefram Cochrane.
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DRACULA'S DAUGHTER sure was a snooze fest. I don't mind Svengoolie's patter in between breaks-it entertains kids and that's how I got involved in old movies too-with horror movie hosts.
yeah, some follow-up to Todd Browning's Dracula. I think her manservant shoulda had his head examined. he wants a bite from her?
...and just how is it that the uh...countess zeleska was it?...could be dracula's daughter? he was a 500-year old vampire. van helsing said she was beautiful when she died a hundred years ago? it doan figure.
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the plea for more Richard Widmark, i fear, will fall on deaf ears and unresponsive TCM programmers.
of note is the omission of anything like a tribute to RM on his 100th birthday, Dec 26, 2014, and TCM seems to honor everyone on their 100th birthday. an oversight seems like a cop-out to me.
my 2 cent blurb a while back for RM as SOTM has been ignored, but i see Susan Hayward is SOTM for Sept, 2015. so, maybe there's hope! and Hayward was a 20th Century Fox contractee.
OF COURSE tcm ignored Widmark's 100th birthday. tcm ain't gonna honor or tribute anything unless it can be reconciled to their fixed unchanging film coffer. you honor widmark you're gonna wanna show films that feature some of his best underrated acting like in The Last Wagon. At the tail end of his career you got something like Twilight's Last Gleaming with some very good acting by Widmark as a general. you think tcm is gonna get a hold of that just to honor widmark? of course not!...
be too much trouble.
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GROAN.........
I get it.
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LOL. Only in the movies...............
she had to to keep marshal Dillon revved up.
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where were they when Gerald Fried's music score to The Flame Barrier (1958) was disintegrating into oblivion?
nowhere 'cause they've never even shown that film. I guess it's irrelevant because it sci-fi related.
cinema does not begin and end with film noir.
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Oh..I do hope that Christopher Lee is Star of the Month sometime this year
tcm would avoid that if it means busting their guts to get a hold of a lot of his films. look at hot spell. they obviously are unwilling to extend themselves to get it.
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Lee also had a cameo in Tim Burton's awful Dark Shadows from 2012. Johnny Depp was good as Barnabas Collins but his goth make-up ruined the film along with Tim Burton's usual bizarre eccentricities.
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Topbilled's latest pick:
Where: Retroplex
Reason to watch: One of several collaborations with Burt Lancaster & Kirk Douglas. (Burt is Wyatt Earp and Kirk is Doc Holliday.) Also, the film has Frankie Laine's infectious title song playing throughout key points in the narrative.
which is better? Gunfight at the O.K. Corral or Hour of the Gun? surely James Garner is more solemn as Earp than Lancaster.
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There are many things I enjoyed about the film and the producers did a good job with what they had, budget wise. But there were too many scenes where the actors were advised to play their part as if that scene was the final scene in a 3 act play. That type of dramatic built up used as often as it was in this film, just didn't work.
Barry Sullivan waiting to get shot down like a dog...brilliant?
...but that summer evening thunderstorm on the boardwalk was certainly atmospheric.
hey, these are the guys who didn't even try to get the 2012 restored print of hammer studio's Dracula (1958) to truly honor horror giant the late Christopher Lee. so what to expect? superlativeness in presentation? methinks not. 
how then have they properly payed tribute to Christopher Lee by not showing the 2012 restored BFI print of Hammer's Dracula from 1958? tcm's older Americanized cut does not have the fully restored sunlight disintegration climax.
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