NipkowDisc
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On 8/15/2011 at 12:44 AM, Guest said:
I think I figured the real story out. First, Ranse never took advantage of Tom killing Valance but rather Tom pushed him into doing so. At the convention Tom was very blunt with Ranse. After Tom gives him the straight dope Ranse asks "But why, Tom?" most earnestly and Tom replies very bitterly "I wish I hadn't!" That could mean that even after killing Valance Tom might still have expected to hold on to Hallie although his surly behavior after the shooting suggests that he knew that by saving Ranse's life he was going to lose Hallie. At the convention Tom pushes Ranse into going with the lie with *"You taught her how da read, pilgrim, now give her something to read about!"* What I think is this. Tom must have known after revealing the truth to Ranse at the convention, honest man that he is, Tom knew he would relay the true story back to Hallie. This was Tom's way of salvaging his pride. It was his way of saying to Hallie *"Well, I saved your boyfriend for ya...now get outta here!"* Tom Doniphan was a very prideful man. It was his way of saying to her that although her betrayal had broken his heart, she would never break him. *Attaboy, Duke!*
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On 8/14/2011 at 8:49 PM, wouldbestar said: There's another thread with this name in the Westerns forum and I posted my comments there last night after the movie was over. I understand you're not supposed to duplicate postings so I won't here.
I've really appreciated the comments I've read here. This seems like a simple Western at first but is much more complex underneath. You've given me much to think about and compare to my own thoughts.
The way the town begins to exercise its inherent political power, even in this primitive community, is something you don't often see. Also the pride in being a new voting citizen is what most of us could trace an ancestor back to. Rance was right to encourage this. Tom reminded us that this priviledge is something that must at times be fought for. Both men were necessary to the establishment of Shinbone.
As to Tom being guilty of murder, Liberty Valance was a cold-blooded killer hiding behind a claim of self-defense. He knew Rance had little to no chance of getting him in a fair fight but wanted him dead because he was the main threat to Liberty's keeping power. Tom's killing Valance was in defense of Rance's life and potentially others as well. It's like killing the enemy who's going to do the same to your buddy in war. This was a war of good vs evil for the town.
Did Hallie ever know Tom, not Rance, killed Valance? She was not there when Tom told Rance or outside when the shoot-out occurred. Rance would have had to tell her. If she learned it at the funeral, I doubt she would have left him after all that time. If she knew before, going to the ashes of Tom's house and finding the rose for his coffin might have been her way of saying thank you. I don't think she betrayed Tom; she simply fell in love with Rance. Tom simply cared more for her than she did him. She wasn't unaware of his feelings and I think felt some sadness that she couldn't return his love. I wonder if Rance's decision to retire to Shinbone now that Tom was dead came became he knew Tom wouldn't be seeing them together and hurting.
One last point: Did these folks have any idea that they were making a classic that would end up being discussed 50 years later as we are? I'm told the movie was not well received by critics and the public-our mistake. If only they were around to see how much it's loved today!
the public probably didn't like it for the same reason it is such a downer too many.
it's a great film ruined by Hallie breaking heroic tom's heart.
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yeah, but after the yellowstain incident it looks like keefer is going to confront queeg but marek stops him....
"don't look for trouble, Tom."
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1 hour ago, hamradio said:
Man on left....Dang that thing looks awful.
Man on right...Oh crap, dropped my cigarette lighter...need to light that fuse.
irregardless, the public loved the sfx of these old science fiction technicolor extravaganzas of George Pal causing him to be dubbed the Walt Disney of science fiction.
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maybe they need a swimsuit competition.
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not a hard film to come by. made a search with my torrent search app and DLed a lovely mpeg4 file, a WEBRip. since the frame rate is 23.97 and since I'm all out of blank DVDs I'll put it on a CD.
it's not a perfect film. I think Pal shoulda given us more scary matte shots of Bellus as it homes in on the earth.
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18 hours ago, speedracer5 said:
Why does it matter what John Wayne would think?
He's the one who portrayed freaking Genghis Kahn.
and much better than omar sharif.
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cheri oteri was ten times more funny than Kristen wiig.
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owww! cut that out marty that ain't far!
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they were always showing it back in the 1970s on WOR Channel 9s Four O'clock movie.
always liked that music and montage.
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zyra the planet passes by the earth first and about a half a month later coming into direct collision the star Bellus
"it's better to know." -Richard Derr
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to me The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance has always been especially moving because Duke has the thankless job of playing a man callously spurned by the woman he loves and who dam well shoulda known how he felt about her.
so I continue to wonder is this film a tribute to a tenderfoot eastern lawyer who sees the future of the west...
or...
is it a tribute to a strong man of the west who sacrifices what he wants for the happiness of the woman he loves.
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what command!
what strength!
what persona!
John Wayne! the first name in screen toughness.
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wayne shoulda won Oscars for a lot of his screen performances like sgt. john m. stryker.
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imagine Nancy Archer needing instructions on how to pick up Harry.
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Duke never attacked the cereal and dairy industries.
joaquin phoenix derided us all for consuming...
1. milk
2. cereal
3. candy, cupcakes and chocolates
anything milk-related he put down.
Hollywood calls that being socially conscious.
to the rest of us it is stupid and asinine.
conservatism ain't about to disappear when it is handed that kind of ammunition.
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this is what they like to do...
gat handed a statuette and then engage in exhibitions of exaggerated self-importance.
joaquin tells us not to drink milk because cows are exploited.
what a dip****.
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same beaten into the ground tcm coffer crud...
nothing new...
my only request would be Draw! from 1984.
"Right!"
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save Hollywood with...
Coronavirus The Motion Picture.
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1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:
joaquin phoenix indicts everyone for drinking milk.
dairy cows are now an oppressed minority.
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it just ended!
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joaquin phoenix indicts everyone for drinking milk.
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doan expect to see Robert Conrad included in the Oscar's in memoriam montage tonite.
he just passed, there ain't enough time and they're slackers anyway.
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When Worlds Collide (1951). Set your DVRs!
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