Mr. Gorman
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Remember the 1972 film HAMMERSMITH IS OUT with Liz, Dick and Beau Bridges? I wonder if TCM has ever aired it?
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'63 Thunderbirds are good-looking cars. They still had the round afterburner taillights; the '64s were 'uglified' by FoMoCo with those rectangular tails. (Let me say that I own an old Ford, but it's not a T-Bird. It's a '64 Falcon, the cheap 'Standard Series' model).
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Dargo, I think SWAP MEET was uploaded to YouTube for all to see. Also, the IMDb shows a picture of the old VCI 'Command Performance' video box if you fancy having a look at it. → Don't expect anything even remotely sophisticated and you might enjoy "Swap Meet".
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I remember WCIX, Channel 6, out of Miami. I lived in West Palm Beach at the time and my family had a large antenna and when we pointed it south we could pick up Ch. 6. It was a thrill for my youthful mind to be able to see programming on Ch. 6 cos it was so far away. I remember at the time Channel 7 from Miami was 'WCKT'.
ALSO: Might you have a tape of the television version of THE TOWERING INFERNO, Ray? I noted the DVD release did not incorporate those extra scenes back in to the movie as an 'Option'; the "Tv-only" scenes are available just as stand-alone bonus scenes. I would've bought the disc years ago if the Tv scenes had been incorporated back in to the movie.
→ Have you ever seen the TV print of "Alligator", Mr. Faiola?
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Good point; I reckon PEPE LE PEW was a combination of both of them.
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I figure Charles Boyer *must* have watched some of those PEPE LE PEW cartoons at some point during his lifetime . . . and I wonder if he got a chuckle out of them? 😆
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I forgot about the 1979 movie SWAP MEET. → It features a 'kidnapped' car in its plotline. I think most of the movie was filmed in and around Torrance, California. Looks like some of the scenes were filmed at a place called THE ROADIUM where the swap meet takes place.
I remember the old VCI video box says this across the top: "IF YOU'VE GOT IT . . . SWAP IT!"
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I prefer Ford Falcons to Mustangs myself.
ALSO: There's been a rumor -- or maybe it's true -- that a bearded, overweight Steve McQueen signed up to 'bike stunts' in the 1976 "B"-movie DIXIE DYNAMITE as there's a motorcycle race featured in the movie. Since I don't know Steve McQueen's riding style I can't say for sure if he's seen as a bike rider in the film or not.
FURTHER: If you dig '70s movies featuring dune buggies may I suggest FLASH AND THE FIRECAT (1975)? Alreet then.
And I forgot to mention 'VANDORA'. That's the name of the van in SUPERVAN. This movie looks to have been filmed in and around Missouri, USA.
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PRETTY MAIDS ALL IN A ROW. Ah, yes. With Rock Hudson 'testing' many young ladies. How this whacked-out got made is anyone's guess . . . ? I remember Roddy McDowall saying after a majorette was murdered "Such a pretty little cheerleader!". 😜
Somehow "Pretty Maids All In A Row" reminds me of LORD LOVE A DUCK (1966) and PRETTY POISON (1968) . . . but I don't know why? It just DOES!
Don't forget this movie: THE YOUNG GRADUATES (1971).
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Well, slayton, LOVE TRUCK (1973) is about a road trip in a van and they cruise around what looks like upstate New York in the summer. → Obviously not a 'SoCal' vibe in this one, but having seen it it's definitely got 'cruising' around in it where the two protagonists in the van have various adventures on the 'Open Road'. Directed by Chuck Vincent.
→ I believe there's a cruising scene or two in the 1979 Latino-themed movie BOULEVARD NIGHTS.
There's cruising going on in the 1977 teen-themed movie MAG WHEELS. Also known as "Summer School" this movie was directed by Bethel C. Buckalew and has a positively insane "Happy Ending". Plus, you also get some groovy songs by the garage band THE WORD such as "The Anita Song" which is super-catchy and plays twice in the movie. You must see this movie to believe it -- especially the ending.
There's scenes of walking around and driving around mid-70s L.A. in TRACKDOWN (1976) that look rather authentic.
DOUBLE NICKELS (1977) features car chases and scenic views of the Pacific Coast Highway and various other places in California (like the L.A. Basin -- I think that's what it's called -- which is also seen in POINT BLANK and GREASE and probably scads of other movies).
GIRLS ON THE ROAD (1973) is a time capsule with scenes of hitchhiking, cruising around and running into Pa Walton (RALPH WAITE) as a hippie guru who runs one of those 'Enlightenment' retreats. The ending of the movie leaves it up to the viewer as to what might've happened . . .
Speaking of "1970s Retreats" there also the Ferd and Beverly Sebastian movie THE SINGLE GIRLS (1973) [aka: "Private School"] that's got the whole "Find Yourself '70s Style" thing goin' on . . . . and there's a killer loose at the retreat to boot!
ALSO: There's a 1972 movie called THUMB TRIPPING with Meg Foster and Bruce Dern you might want to check out.
EDIT: I almost forgot → the 1978 movie MALIBU BEACH features the two main male characters going to a convenience store in a Jeep to buy a 6-pack of beer. They then take off in the Jeep and begin drinking said 6-pack of beer and throwing the empty cans away on the roadside. They also pick up chicks. DIG IT.
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I take it you've never seen THE TEACHER (1974), Top Billed? THIN ICE isn't that much different in terms of the plot line. Of course, there's no psycho-killer in "Thin Ice" like there is in "The Teacher", but both movies have an 18-year-old student involved with a 28-year-old teacher.
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Admittedly, I'm not going back all 36 pages of this thread to look . . . but how many of you have seen the movie VAN NUYS BLVD. (1979)?
One of those "Crown International Pictures". A blast from the not-too-distant past. There's also movies like MALIBU BEACH, THE BEACH GIRLS, DOUBLE NICKELS, CALIFORNIA DREAMING, SUNSET COVE, THE VAN, THE CARHOPS, STARHOPS, LOVE TRUCK [aka: "Blue Summer"], GIRLS ON THE ROAD, THE YOUNG CYCLE GIRLS, OUTSIDE IN [aka: "Red, White and Busted"] et cetera.
These all give a feeling of Southern California -or- takin' a road trip 1970s-style or, like, whatever else ya want it to be.
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I like the longer version of SEA OF LOVE (1989) that was released -- perhaps mistakenly -- by UNIVERSAL in 2000 under the "Universal Thrillers" heading. It adds Lorraine Bracco back in to the movie + there's an extra scene with William Hickey as 'Frank Sr.' along with another scene of Pacino getting paranoid on the street. I wish I knew how this version of SEA OF LOVE got released as there is no notice on the video box or videocassette label that this is not the theatrical version. But when I started watching and 'Lorraine Bracco' got a credit -- which she does not in the theatrical version -- I figured something was up.
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I only live about 55-60 miles outside Atlanta. I think that's where TCM does its taping -- or at least some of its taping. I'm available to introduce bad movies! I own bunches of bad films in my video collection. I have no qualms about speaking of low-budget/low-grade/low-rent movies. I feel I could offer a degree of dignity whilst introducing a movie like OVERSEXED RUGSUCKERS FROM MARS.
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I could offer up a number of movies that would fit with the motif of 'TCM Underground' . . . but might be too sleazy or gory to be aired by Turner Classic.
SATAN'S BLOOD (1978-Spanish) [aka: "Escalofrio"]. I bought a VHS release of this filmed-in-Spain movie years ago and watched it . . . This film is overloaded with nudity, sex, Satanic rituals and devil worshipers as an unwary couple visit a country house (with their dog in tow) to meet up with some new acquaintances. You'll need a bath after this one. And watch out for the porcelain doll!
One thing to note, however, is the tape I bought is dubbed into English -- the later DVD release may be in Spanish with English subtitles. This movie may be too much for TCM to air, but it's a barrel of unbelievably sleazy fun. ***Highly Recommended*** for fans of unabashed sleaze.
SATAN'S SLAVE (1976-UK). A 'Norman J. Warren' movie. There's at least 2 versions of this movie extant, btw. A country estate is the scene of all manner of grisly goings-on because dem dastardly Devil worshipers are afoot and they have plans . . . plus there's a young man -- who just happens to be a psycho -- doing all kinds of mean things. With Michael Gough, Candace Glendenning, Martin Potter.
MAGDALENA, vom Teufel besessen (1974-West German). Oh no! Poor Magdalena ends up Po-Zessed by The Devil! Say it ain't so! But it IS!! She tells the local priest where to stuff the Communion wafer. Magdalena also vomits up a snake just for the Hell of it and does a variety of nasty things. The version I've seen was the dubbed-in-English release.
RING OF DARKNESS (1979-Italian). LESSON GLEANED FROM THIS FILM: Don't make a pact with Satan as the pact will also affect your children as Anne Heywood finds out. Her daughter begins acting up in very mean ways. How to break the Pact? Well, shucks, that won't be an easy task.
SHADOW OF ILLUSION (1970-Italian). It's better to see this movie than to have someone describe it. There is a cult involved in the proceedings who have notions of involving Daniela Giordano in their rituals -- but she's understandably not interested. That fact, however, does not stop the cultists!
THE HOUSE THAT VANISHED is also a load of fun and is chock full of sleaze.
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There's so many movies out there now with different versions extant that a person can buy I find it impossible to keep track of them all.
STAR WARS has too many extant versions for me to remember offhand -- but I have my mind made up on which version of "Star Wars" I will watch: My 1982 '20th Century Fox Video' VHS release. I believe that early video edition has the fewest "tinkerings" with the movie that you'll find. It's obviously not in W/S . . . but I don't care. It still plays well and I'm satisfied.
I remember CRIMSON TIDE (1995) had a special extended version released on DVD in 2006 or 2008 that ran some 8 minutes longer than the theatrical version. WATERWORLD has a couple of versions extant. WYATT EARP (1994) had an 'Extended Cut' released on a 2-Tape VHS set by 'Warner Home Video'. GETTYBURG, GODS & GENERALS, DEAD-ALIVE, HOOR (the Ken Russell movie), BAD LIEUTEANT (w/Harvey Keitel) and God-Knows-How-Many other 1990s-And-Beyond films have at least 2 versions in circulation a person can buy. I remember VIDMARK Entertainment (later 'Trimark') released a number of movies in R-Rated and Unrated versions. BASIC INSTINCT (1992) had an [R] and an 'Unrated' version issued by Carolco on video. I remember the 1992 Sally Kirkland film IN THE HEAT OF PASSION was released by Columbia on VHS in an [R] and Unrated Version. (I rather enjoyed that movie, I might add). Director's Cuts, Expanded Editions, Special Editions, et cetera of various movies have made it very difficult -- if not downright impossible -- to keep track of all the various cuts of movies floating around (not to mention what appear to be called 'FanEdits' of certain movies which are cobbled together by folks who are enthusiasts of a particular film).
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Here are some 1990-and-before theatrical releases that have had different versions available to buy at some point whether it be VHS, LaserDisc, DVD or Blu-Ray. And by that I don't mean VHS, LD, DVD or Blu-Ray releases that include 'Deleted Scenes' and/or 'Outtakes' in the 'Bonus Features' -- I mean specifically movies where different scenes are incorporated back *into* the movies. I have a VHS 'Special Edition' of both "The French Connection" and "Jaws" that each feature 'extra' or 'deleted scenes, but none of these scenes are back into the actual film. Also, THE HOWLING (1980) would not be included because the MGM DVD does not add any of the 'Deleted Scenes' back into the movie . . . but THE LITTLE GIRL WHO LIVES DOWN THE LANE (1976) and SQUIRM (1976) are included because the MGM DVD releases of both films added footage back into each movie that had been edited out decades earlier. I hope that makes sense.
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ABYSS, The (1989)
ALIEN (1979)
ALIENS (1986)
ALLIGATOR (1980)
APOCALYPSE NOW (1979)
BELLS (1980-Canadian) [The U.S. version under the "Murder By Phone" title was missing some 15 minutes compared to the original Canadian version].
BIG (1988)
BIG SLEEP, The (1945/46)
BLADE RUNNER (1982) How many versions exist of this one? 6? 7? I've lost count . . .
CINDERELLA (1977) [The version with Cheryl "Rainbeaux" Smith].
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977) Pick which version you like better!
CRIMES OF PASSION (1984)
CROCODILE DUNDEE (1986-Australian) The first Australian PAL-VHS release has the original Aussie version of the movie before it was trimmed and re-done a little bit for its U.S. release.
CURSE OF THE DEMON (1958-UK) The U.S. version was hacked up compared to the original UK theatrical version.
DANCES WITH WOLVES (1990) Remember the Special Expanded Edition released on video by Orion? It ran some 55 minutes longer than the theatrical 'cut'.
DEATH WISH (1974) The UK censors were not enamored of "Death Wish" . . . so it suffered c/u/t/s over there.
DEATH WISH II (1982) Find the Greek VHS release and see "Death Wish II" with more nasty stuff included not seen elsewhere.
DEATH WISH 3 (1985) It seems that Columbia in Australia released the Tv print on tape instead of the theatrical version.
EAST END HUSTLE (1976-Canadian)
EVILSPEAK (1982)
ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK (1981)
EYE OF THE CAT (1969) [The Blu-Ray disc includes the original theatrical feature and the seriously altered 'TV Cut' of the movie].
FAMILY, The (1970-Italian) The original U.S. theatrical version cuts out the nudity and various expository plot scenes. [aka: "Violent City"].
FATAL ATTRACTION (1987)
FRIDAY THE 13th (1980) (ALSO: I have noted the gory scenes that were cut from F13, Part 2 some four decades ago were found but were apparently not re-inserted back into the film -- these gory bits are only seen in the bonus features -- unlike "My Bloody Valentine" where various gory bits *were* put back into the film).
GHOUL, The (1975-UK)
GOOD, the BAD and the UGLY, The (1966-IT/SP)
HEAVEN'S GATE (1980)
HOSPITAL MASSACRE (1981) Runs 89m. An alternate version extant runs only 78 minutes. [aka: "X-Ray"].
HUMONGOUS (1981-Canadian) The r-a-p-e scene at the beginning is what's c/u/t from most versions -- but not all.
HUNTING PARTY, The (1971) The WARNER UK release was c/u/t by order of the BBFC by 1m 44secs.
IT'S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD (1963) There's 3 versions of this movie extant.
KNIFE FOR THE LADIES, A (1974) [aka: "Silent Sentence"]
LAST PICTURE SHOW, The (1971)
LITTLE GIRL WHO LIVES DOWN THE LANE, The (1976)
LOLITA (1962-UK)
KEEP, The (1983) I believe there's an Australian disc of "The Keep" for sale that adds back several minutes, although the original 'full' version of the movie may never be seen.
MAN WHO HAD POWER OVER WOMEN, The (1970-UK)
MASSACRE AT FORT HOLMAN (1972-Italian Western) (aka: "A Reason to Live, a Reason to Die").
MY BLOODY VALENTINE (1981-Canadian) Lots of gore was edited back into the film for its 2009 DVD release!
NIGHTMARE IN BADHAM COUNTY (1976-Tvm) The U.S. version was aired as a tele-film . . . the overseas theatrical version was sleeeeeezy!
OLD CURIOSITY SHOP, The (1975-UK) One version runs 91 minutes with several songs missing; the full-length version runs 114m. Both versions were released on VHS.
ONE FROM THE HEART (1982)
OSTERMAN WEEKEND, The (1983)
OUTSIDERS, The (1983)
POSSESSION OF VIRGINIA, The (1972-French Canadian) D:Jean Beaudin. Stars: Daniel Pilon, Danielle Ouimet, Louise Marleau.
RE-ANIMATOR (1985)
RITUALS (1977-Canadian)
SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER (1977)
SCREAMS OF A WINTER NIGHT (1979)
SHE'S GOTTA HAVE IT (1986) (LD)
SQUIRM (1976)
SEA OF LOVE (1989)
SEIZURE (1974-Canadian) [aka: "Queen of Evil"]
SHINING, The (1980) The version released in the UK was shortened considerably from the U.S. release. The WARNER HOME VIDEO UK release ran only 115 minutes [in PAL].
→ I believe the first few 'STAR TREK' movies beginning with "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" (1979) all have had different homevideo versions available for purchase.
STAR WARS (1977) (NOTE: I'm not 100% sure about "The Empire Strikes Back" or "Return of the Jedi" having different versions available for the public to buy -- I think there are different editions, but I don't know for certain).
SUPERGIRL (1984) I know of 3 different versions of "Supergirl". If you like the movie ye may as well buy all three.
SUPERMAN (1978-Adventure)
SUPERMAN II (1980-Adventure) (As an aside, "Superman", "Superman II" and "Superman III" all had television broadcast versions aired which contained extra footage -- but I don't think any of these three 'assembled-for-TV' editions have ever been made available for sale, but there are different versions of "Superman" and "Superman II" available to be bought).
SWARM, The (1978-This is bad, Very Bad) But there are *2* versions available to purchase for those folks who are gluttons for 'video punishment'!
TEACHER, The (1974) One video version has a scene featuring a phone call shortened for some inexplicable reason.
TEXASVILLE (1990) (LD)
THIEF (1981)
THIEF OF HEARTS (1984)
TOUCH OF EVIL (1958)
TRACKDOWN (1976) The UK WARNER HOME VIDEO release is unique; missing 35s because the BBFC didn't like Karen Lamm getting beaten to a pulp . . . so it was c/u/t!
URGH! A MUSIC WAR (1981-Musical Chronicle) The DVD is missing a couple of the performances seen in the VHS release.
WHEN TIME RAN OUT . . . (1980) [aka: "Earth's Final Fury, The"] The version of the film released on video by WARNER in the UK only ran 105 minutes [in PAL] and the U.S. DVD release is the same 'cut' of the movie. However, the U.S. WARNER VHS release runs 140 minutes and says "Expanded Video Edition" on the back of the sleeve art.
WICKER MAN, The (1973-UK) There's 3 different extant versions of "The Wicker Man". Take your pick!
WINDOWS (1980) The BBFC was very displeased with "Windows"; they ordered 3m 35secs to be cut from the movie for its 1987 Warner Home Video release. Apparently the censors didn't like Talia Shire being forced into 'heavy breathing' by dopey cabdriver 'Obecny'.
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Here are TV VERSIONS of various movies that were different from their theatrical counterparts due to alternate footage being added for time and/or because other scenes from the film had to be excised due to content or some other reason. For instance, FAR AND AWAY had loads of footage added so it could be aired over 2 nights back in the mid-1990s . . . but I have no idea why it was done. What was the motivation behind wanting "Far and Away" to be a 2-night Tv presentation? Beats me. (I wish I'd have taped it, though!).
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48 HRS. (1982), TRADING PLACES (1983), RANCHO DELUXE (1975), CHEECH & CHONG'S NEXT MOVIE (1980), THREE INTO TWO WON'T GO (1969), EYE OF THE CAT (1969), DIARY OF A MAD HOUSEWIFE (1970), SECRET CEREMONY (1968), BLAZING SADDLES (1974), FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH (1982), QUICK CHANGE (1990), SO FINE (1981), SUPERMAN (1978), SUPERMAN II (1980), SUPERMAN III (1983), THE FUNHOUSE (1981), DEATH SHIP (1980-Canadian), BORN IN EAST L.A. (1987), SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER (1977), AIRPLANE! (1980), AIRPLANE II (1982), P.J. (1968), FAR AND AWAY (1995), MY FAVORITE YEAR (1982), SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT (1977) -- has just 1 short scene added, SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT, Part 3 (1983), DIRTY MARY CRAZY LARRY (1974), CAR WASH (1976) and I reckon there's plenty more movies that had "TV versions" that I don't know about. EDIT: I forgot PLANES, TRAINS AND AUTOMOBILES (1987). The Tv version adds a scene on the airplane involving airline food.
I sincerely wish I'd have taped more of these "Tv versions" than just the two I did, which were "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" and "Saturday Night Fever". I saw "Quick Change", "Airplane II", "Blazing Saddles" and several others in their "television editions" but didn't record them. I had taped the Tv version of "Smokey and the Bandit, Part 3" . . . but taped over it for some reason. I'm such an idiot! I recall THE FUNHOUSE (1981) and CAR WASH (1976) were considerably different in their editions prepared for television.
→ If anyone knows of other theatrical films that weren't just edited for content but had footage +added+ for their television broadcast airings I'd be curious to know.
Useless Trivia Nuggets:
EVILSPEAK had a TV version, but there was no extra footage added. Just stuff cut out for gory content, cuss words and shower buns.
TCM shows "My Favorite Year" quite a bit. When last I looked -- about a month ago -- the "TV only" scenes from MY FAVORITE YEAR were uploaded to YouTube so anyone with an interest could have a look-see at these bits of footage that were excised from the theatrical edition. Same with the "TV only" scenes for DIRTY MARY, CRAZY LARRY being uploaded to YouTube.
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The 1970s drab in colors? I think not. There was no shortage of wild outfits in the 1970s and hairstyles and the colors of cars were sometimes outlandish. I remember a neighbor had a Pea Green CHEVROLET VEGA amongst other wild colors and styles available on cars of the '70s.
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Speaking of "weight of the money" . . . you just have to overlook some things like that in films and television to glean more enjoyment from it. → Like the weight of gold in KELLY'S HEROES when Kelly & Co. pack it on the pick-up truck and the end and the '64 Bond movie "GOLDFINGER". I just do the "suspend my disbelief" thing and take it as "this movie I'm watching takes place in a slightly altered Universe where gold doesn't weigh as much as it does in Real Life".
It's similar to watching MANNIX and CANNON on MeTv late at night. Joe Mannix gets beat up and/or shot at in every episode, it seems, and there's no way a single human being could withstand that kind of physical punishment without being in a nursing home and fed through a straw. Or dead already. Goes for William Conrad as overweight detective Frank Cannon. He gets beat up an awful lot + he gets poisoned with fatal stuff at least once (see the 1975 CANNON episode "A Touch of Venom").
It's not the same with "Barnaby Jones" because he's already 65 years old when the series starts so he can't get beat up like MANNIX or CANNON cos he'd be dead.
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If I were to show someone a Hitchcock movie who'd never seen one it would either be THE 39 STEPS (1935) or THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH (1934). Just depends on what kind of mood I was in that day.
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I can't say I 'hate' this alleged movie romance . . . but it just doesn't work on-screen. In fact, I'd be amazed if the filmmakers -- after looking at the dailies during filming -- weren't thinking "Oh, Lord, this really is NOT working . . . but what can we do?!?!" APRIL IN PARIS (1952). Doris Day and Ray Bolger are a monumentally unconvincing romantic couple. Even Fuzzy Matt and J.Lo were (slightly) more convincing as a romantic couple in THE WEDDING PLANNER, which was also hampered by a serious lack of chemistry between the stars. → Hell, even Bob Cummings and Ronald Reagan would've been a more convincing couple in KINGS ROW than are Ray and Doris in "April In Paris". I recall the scene where Bob is looking at Ron like he's some kind of pastry while he's lying in the bad legless . . . 🤪
And so it goes.
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I reckon I will buy a disc of WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT FEELING GOOD? when it comes out via Kino-Lorber. 🙂
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Pryor and Gleason could not save the badness that is THE TOY (1982). An unfortunate waste of a LOT of combined talent.
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There's these movies:
THIRD DAY, The (1965) w/George Peppard
MIRAGE (1965) w/Gregory Peck
JIGSAW (1968) w/Bradford Dillman, a sort of 'mod' remake of "Mirage".
ELVIS PRESLEY did amnesia in song "I Forgot to Remember to Forget".
Maybe SINGAPORE (1947) would qualify, too.
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All this talk about Margaret Mitchell and GONE WITH THE WIND . . .
Let's talk about Hugh Gravitt shall we?
Cutting scenes out of movies
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If you like ALLIGATOR (1980) the TV version was released on tape in 1983 by 'Catalina Home Video', a short-lived video company that lasted a year or so. But during their short time of being in business they put out "Alligator" and somehow got hold of a TV print instead of the theatrical version. It adds approx. 8½ minutes of footage while only missing about 30 seconds due to bits of gore. The 'cuss words' -- there's not many -- are overdubbed so that's not a big deal. I rather enjoy the TV version.