Mr. Gorman

Here's a shot-on-video movie that may or may not have been released to a few theaters. It's FOREVER EVIL (1987). I used to have a United Home Video VHS of this film and, as far as SOV movies go, it was watchable. Apparently, however, this VHS version was shortened from a longer cut that was later released on DVD by VCI. For those who have an interest in shot-on-video movies you can pick which one you want to see; the longer disc or the shorter tape. I must say, the box art for the United release was very cool!

I got the notion for this thread because I started thinking a week or so ago about all the different versions of movies a person can buy legally. I'm not talking about workprints you can score a copy of -- heck, I'd like to see the workprint version of CREEPSHOW because it runs 10 minutes longer. Each segment has more footage that was apparently excised with the notion of getting the run time down to 2 hours . . . except I don't know where one could buy it. Or even if it would be legal to do so. I recall this one fellow who would do ♦trades♦ for workprints -- but he would not sell any workprint copies he had and I chalked that up to it being illegal. So if you know of a movie you could buy on VHS, ßeta, DVD, Blu-Ray or LaserDisc with a different version or versions of a movie released to theaters -or- a shot-on-video movie only released to the home market but still having different editions kindly list it here. Please do me one favor, though, and only list 1 movie per post. Makes it much ♦easier♦ for my poxed brain to keep track of! What movies do YOU all know of that were released in 1995 and before that can be had in different versions. Cheers. I'll start with this "B"-movie : MARK OF THE WITCH (1970) Originally rated [GP] when the bits of topless nudity were cut out. The 1988 Air Video/Ariel VHS release was the theatrical version now rated [PG]. Years later, 'Code Red' released "Mark of the Witch" on DVD as a Double-Feature (with "Devil Times Five") and the write-up on the back of the disc says this: "Code Red is proud to present the film from the long-lost camera negatives featuring footage that was trimmed to get a PG rating! This is the original R-rated cut!" (which is why I bought this disc to go with the tape). Now there's a Blu-Ray release of "Mark of the Witch" available for sale so the movie has made the rounds from a cheap tape to a DVD to a Blu. (The Blu seems to be the [R]-rated version, btw). The movie asks: "INNOCENT CO-ED . . . OR BRIDE OF THE DEVIL?" MARK OF THE WITCH

AS far as I know a President can be elected to two non-consecutive terms. I believe it was the 22nd Amendment that limited Presidents to winning twice after FDR broke the 'Gentleman's Agreement' of sorts that Presidents who won the Presidency twice don't run again as no other President prior to FDR had served more than two terms. I think it was during FDR's tenure in office that the 'lame duck' period between the election and the swearing-in was reduced. Inauguration Day had been March 4th and was changed to January 20th in 1937. As it remains to this day. Anyway, I'm cooking some Wuhan Virus Brand Hot Dogs on my grille tomorrow. These are 'Special Imports'! They're not made out of pork, beef or turkey. They're made from BAT. Yummy! BAT DOGS! I'm having baked beans and potato chips with them, too! I hope my face doesn't fall off.

For any readers with an interest: As of 5 minutes ago . . . if you mosey on over to eBay and type in this product item # you will see the 'SEA OF LOVE' VHS release with the extended version on it. It's '233574221945'. I don't know how to 'do' links to eBay or I would! (If anyone reading this does know how to do a proper 'link', however, feel free to do so). It has a UNIVERSAL THRILLERS heading on the box. Something else you might notice: There is no indication on the video box or videocassette label that this is a ♦different♦ version of the movie. How it got released is anyone's guess. Did Universal release this version on purpose? I wish I knew. The box and tape have the 'regular' theatrical run time of 1hr 53mins printed on the box and tape and there are no notices letting the viewer know he or she is in for an extended version of the movie. However, when the opening credits roll Lorraine Bracco gets a credit whereas in the theatrical version she does not. So if you like SEA OF LOVE and have only seen the theatrical version, well, as of a few minutes ago you could head to eBay and see what the box and tape look like of the 'extended cut', which may well have been issued by accident . . . it's probably still there.

For anyone who enjoys watching the 1989 thriller SEA OF LOVE: Which version do you like better? The theatrical cut or the longer version? I'd say it runs about 8 minutes longer. (Please note I'm not referring to any possible 'television-friendly' versions of "Sea of Love"; I don't even know if "Sea of Love" had an edited-for-content version broadcast on television. I have only seen 'Sea' on video with the theatrical cut and the extended edition). Would anybody know if the extended version was also released on DVD and/or Blu-Ray as I only know the VHS releases . . . ? My 2¢: I like the longer version of SEA OF LOVE better with the restored Lorraine Bracco scenes + the extra scene with William Hickey and the 'staredown' scene with the potential bad guy where Pacino lets his suspicions get the better of him.

IN regards to THE ONE AND ONLY, GENUINE, ORIGINAL FAMILY BAND . . . that was another of those Disney movies that was hacked up. Just like THE HAPPIEST MILLIONAIRE, BEDKNOBS & BROOMSTICKS and PETE'S DRAGON.

Definitely not, Hibi. I don't recall any full-frontal nudity along with the requisite amount of upper frontals on display in '7 WOMEN'. But, hey, the strangulations are off-camera. Although the rap-ist getting blasted is on-screen. It stars Marsha Jordan and Mikel Angel, btw. Mr. Angel also wrote the script and plays 'Charlie' the nasty 'n' sleazy wagonmaster. Think I'll watch SWEET GEORGIA (1972) next . . .

I cannot tell a Lie: I ♥ the cooler weather here in middle GA. But, alas, it's supposed to get to 86 by week's end (according to my folks). Pity.

Hey, I just bought the 1965 movie MARA OF THE WILDERNESS on VHS about 10 minutes ago from Amazon. We'll see if I get it in good time. The seller lives in North Carolina. An' when I get MARA I shall endeavor to watch it! As to what I've watched recently well . . . I stuck this 1971 softcore Western into my VCR called THE LAST SUNDOWN. I wanted to look it up on the IMDb and see if there were any reviews about it -- but I couldn't find it right away. Apparently the original title was the very bland '6 WOMEN' and the movie was re-titled for video. That was a good idea. It's on the EVEN STEVENS PRODUCTIONS label from 1987. The video box reminds the viewer "IN 35MM COLOR!". So there's these six ladies all being sent to prison in the Old West, mostly because of a hellfire-and-brimstone preacher who couldn't get his agent to work while being willingly seduced by two of the ladies. So he gets all bent out-of-shape and has them arrested for prostitution. Of course. And so goes the wagon ride to jail with a pervy wagonmaster and his mentally 'not all there' sidekick along with The Hero Of The Piece (who also gets a piece). Oh, and there's ra pe and murder, too! And so it goes . . .

Listening to the 'Disco Purrfection' version of Barry White's 1973 tune LOVE'S THEME on YouTube. 7 minutes of fun from Barry and his Love Unlimited Orchestra.

Alreet then . . . MARY NELL SANTACROCE played the landlady in "Wise Blood" (1979). She also played a seemingly friendly landlady in 1984's "Mutant" (aka: "Night Shadows"). But where did her daughter go? (That is, her daughter in the movie).

I remember a short while back -- maybe a month or so -- when 'spence' had wrongly announced Jerry Stiller had died. I reckon THIS time he really did pass away. First time I saw Jerry Stiller was in THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE as 'Patrone'.

Here's a little nugget of info: FOTOMAT released the 1978 movie AMERICAN HOT WAX. Paramount itself never has. To this day, there has not been a legal release of "American Hot Wax" besides this early Fotomat release. I don't know what the deal was with this. I figure the music rights would be a nightmare to untangle for this film. I can't help but wonder how it came to be that "American Hot Wax" ended up getting put out by Fotomat and if they actually had the legal right to do so? Beats me. I'd like to know the story behind it!

I can see your point, sort of. That modern viewers want 'perfect everything' when they watch a movie and whine and moan and groan if it isn't. God Forbid a movie watcher in 2020 might see a (gasp!) scratch! Or hear a low hiss or a pop! Noooooooo! (That's me being a tad melodramatic. ). GREASE wasn't even two years old when Fotomat put it out. I can't go with a less-than-two-year-old theatrical print used for the tape being an 'inferior print'. GREASE didn't need restoration in late 1979/early 1980. I was just thinking that perhaps it could cost a lot less money to lease a movie if you didn't have to rely on the studio to send you a copy of it! Especially if a studio wanted a whole mess of money to 'lease' it. (Lil' note: I went to the theater to see GREASE for its 20th Anniversary in 1998. I enjoyed it).

Here's a legal question of sorts -- and I'll confess in advance it could be flat-out ridiculous -- in regards to GREASE . . . but I'll never know unless I post it! GREASE (1978) is in the Paramount library of films. What would happen if someone high up the TCM programming chain of command was feeling mischievous? Let's say TCM Program Chief X from Atlanta called me on the phone and says "Hey, Mr. G, may I borrow your Fotomat tape of GREASE to air on Turner Classic Movies?" Back in late 1979 Paramount had leased "Grease" along with a bunch of other Paramount movies to FOTOMAT to rent out to customers and even sell if the customer had deep pockets and a hankering for a particular movie. (Remember how much money those 'new releases' used to cost back then?) Anyway, this release is not a Paramount 'product'; no way would a person mistake a Fotomat Drive-Thru Movies VHS release for an official VHS release from Paramount Studios. So now TCM has the Fotomat VHS tape of "Grease" in their hot little hands and stuff it into a VCR to air over the air. Is that legal or illegal since the video is not a Paramount release. Also, since the tape of GREASE is simply a copy of the film print without any digital restorations of picture or sound would that make a difference from a legal perspective? → I'm thinking that some or all of the digital restorations done to various films -- like JAWS -- may be copyrighted. TCM has aired FRENCHMAN'S CREEK on a dodgy public-domain color print. I know some of you have seen it. I believe a person can buy a Universal MOD disc of "Frenchman's Creek" that looks 'normal'. I'm guessing the Universal disc release is copyrighted because the movie no longer looks like an overexposed hot mess . . . ergo, TCM will air the PD print because it doesn't cost them money to lease it. With that in mind what could /or/ would be illegal about Turner Classic utilizing an old VHS tape from Fotomat as a 'source' to air GREASE without having to pay much -- if anything -- to air it on the channel? When TCM aired the obscure 1970 UK movie THE MAN WHO HAD POWER OVER WOMEN their master source was the 1987 Embassy Home Entertainment VHS release. The movie's never been on DVD and only the Embassy release is un-cut [R]-rated version. The 1979 Magnetic Home Video release of "The Man Who Had Power Over Women" was a Tv print that is missing the topless nudity and the few bad words. Since I watched Turner Classic the time it aired "The Man Who Had Power Over Women" I noticed it looked just like my Embassy tape. That wasn't illegal. I do think TCM had that movie copied to a disc for its airing, but if TCM hooked a VCR up in their studio and showed an actual Fotomat VHS of "Grease" to the country I really don't know what legal ramifications of that would be? Paramount did lease the rights to Fotomat over 40 years ago to rent or sell Paramount releases on the label. Instead of 'Private Home Use Only' what about 'Private Studio Home Use Only'? Of course, I'm no lawyer. → However, the thought of such a thing has intrigued me! Studio Z says "We want 6 zillion dollars to lease out the rights to air the 1977 movie GARBAGE PICKERS ON THE MOON VERSUS KUMQUAT GROWERS OF VENUS". Then I say "I'm the programming chief for the Barfnuts Cinematic Entertainment' and I don't need you Studio Z! I've got an old tape from a different label that you leased the rights to in 1986 that I can air instead of paying you for a digitally restored Blu-Ray copy! So what're you gonna do about it, eh?" (FOTOMAT put out XANADU as well; MCA leased it to them. I've got one of those for an 'Olivia Newton-John Fotomat Twin-Pak' with GREASE). I reckon I'd also wonder how much less it could it be to lease GREASE from Paramount but not have PAR send Turner Classic a Blu-Ray disc to show? I suppose it's because I have so many old tapes that these things cross my mind on occasion when I hear "MOVIE Y is just too expensive to lease from STUDIO Z". Like I typed in the first sentence -- I concede I could be thinking of ridiculous things -- but what made me think of it was as a way to save $money$ while showing popular movies. Could a station pay less -- or even nothing -- if they aired an ancient video release of a movie, esp. a Paramount or MCA/Universal picture that was leased out to another label?

OCEAN DRIVE WEEKEND (1985)

ROBIN (1979) starring Monica Tidwell

Cyd was also in the contemporary-set 1965 Italian movie ASSASSINATION IN ROME with Hugh O'Brian.

Here are some nuggets of information in regards to MAROC 7 and 'CAULIFLOWER CUPIDS'. MAROC 7 has been available for years on VHS. It's on Paramount; they released in the early 1990s. Think it was 1992, to be exact. I can check for the specific year of video release if you'd like; my tape is upstairs. (I bought my copy from Amazon on May 2, 2007. AMAZON still has a record of when I bought the tape, the price and and from whom I bought it. It was $7.98 New + $2.59 shipping for total of $10.57). If you still have a VCR, Summer Stars, and want a copy of MAROC 7 it'll cost about $13.50. That price does including the shipping charge. → There are 2 VHS releases for sale right now on Amazon at a reasonable price. One listing has it 'Like New' at $8.81 + $4.49 shipping and another seller has it listed as 'Very Good' for $9.50 + $3.99 shipping. If you decide to go to Amazon and check the listings out just narrow your search to 'Movies & Tv' and then type this in the Search Bar: vhs MAROC 7. There are also ^higher priced^ tapes for sale as well in case you fancy a 'New' one. [Personally, I'd buy the 'Like New' tape for $8.81 + the ship charge]. → There is also a Region 2 DVD of "Maroc 7" that's available for purchase on Amazon if you can play Region 2 discs on your DVD unit. Happy Hunting! In regards to the movie title CAULIFLOWER CUPIDS -- I reckon the title is a pun on the ears of well-worn boxers whose ears start to look like flowers of cauliflower. Anyway, this movie is no longer 'Lost' and hasn't been since 2011. The SOMETHING WEIRD VIDEO Catalog Supplement #26 from 2011 offers buyers the opportunity to pick up THE GODFATHER AND THE LADY for $10 on a DVD-R. Or you could buy a Download of the film for $7.99. Besides THE GODFATHER AND THE LADY title there is another one, too. Quote from the SWV Catalog: "In fact, the main title card also bears the additional moniker 6 Champions Go Wild." If you want to, Summer Stars, you could go to Something Weird Video's website (somethingweird.com) and 'Search' by title "GODFATHER AND THE LADY" and read Something Weird's description of the movie. I reckon if TCM wanted to show it they could just buy a $10 disc from SWV and ask permission to air it . . . The last line of the description for THE GODFATHER AND THE LADY from SWV goes like this: "Beautifully transferred from the original 35mm punch-drunk negative".

@LornaHansonForbes: Part of the charm, to me, of STRANGLER OF THE SWAMP is the fog and the swamp. I like movies with fog and swamps. I look past the slow pace. THE WITCHMAKER (1969) takes place in the Louisiana swamp and the setting is all isolated and stuff.

midwestan: If you fancy watching a movie so simple a peon could understand it (I did!) then check out NIGHT OF THE CAT (1973). A filmed-in-and-around Charlotte, NC drive-in silly-fest. This is a movie so uncomplicated it'll fry your brain cells. I've seen it thrice! The night before last I watched -- courtesy of an Image Entertainment VHS tape -- the 1946 low-budget movie (with lots of fog) STRANGLER OF THE SWAMP. It only runs an hour. I'd seen it twice before, but not lately. So at 2 AM in went the tape! I enjoyed it again. Future director Blake Edwards has a sizeable part, btw. I also watched my aging FOTOMAT Drive-Thru Movies videocassette of GREASE. I've seen GREASE many times, but again not lately. So I fished out the Fotomat and stuffed it into the VCR. I find "Grease" just as enjoyable as ever. Of course, this being mainly a musical it's because I like the songs a lot that keeps me coming back for repeat viewings. ONE of these days I need to watch a movie I've never seen before! I'm going to buy a VHS tape of LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS (1986) on Warner Home Video. There's plenty of them for sale on eBay so I shall find a copy I like and buy it.

From HYSTERICAL (1983): "It's 10 o'clock and the Library's closing. All white people must leave". - Franklyn Ajaye.

Jeepers, txfilmfan, I didn't know what a quagmire of different alterations had been made to STAR WARS. On the 1982 20th Century Fox Video version Han Solo shoots first. End of Greedo. I noted the quotes from George Lucas in 1988 and then 1997. Quite the change of mind. However many versions of STAR WARS are extant I reckon I'll just stick with my old tape until is ceases to work.

Thanks for the update on STAR WARS, o texas film fan. I've been thinking over the past day or so about the number of movies with different versions now. With the advent of so many DVD's and Blu-Rays (and even a small number of VHS releases) with 'Extended Cuts', 'Extended Versions', 'Director's Cuts', et al. it's awfully difficult to keep track of the different versions now circulating of various titles.

Is STAR WARS (1977) similar to BLADE RUNNER where there's supposed to be several versions extant of that, too, due to George Lucas' incessant tinkering? Let me say I've only seen 1 version of "Star Wars" -- whichever version was released on VHS in 1982 by '20th Century Fox Video' is the only version I've seen. I've never bothered to watch "Star Wars" on television or cable.