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Oh, and BTW, if they put those things you suggested in the movie there's no way that they could have prevented an R rating, especially in these days and times. I know Spencer & Hepburn met on the MGM lot and not in a nightclub. I didn't know about the clothes burning, but does that really make that much of a difference. And I know I don't want to see anyone who a needle drug addict in a movie. If I want to see that I'll rent Pulp Fiction or Rush. To appeal to the widest possible audience, they had to go for a PG-13 rating, thus leaving out the more salacious parts you insist should have been included. I prefer to think that Scorcese/DiCaprio were going for the general obsessiveness of Hughes rather than the specifics of that obsessiveness.

Speaking of The Front Page, someone deliberately flips the bird to someone and it was censored. No way would that have passed the board 3 years later.

No--I would never assume to be the gatekeeper of this or any board. It's a place to discuss how we feel. I stated how I feel; you stated how you feel. I happen to think you are taking this movie way too personally, but I'm just wanted to understand your "crusade" against this movie. You explained it and I wished you good luck in your endeavors. That's all. Now if you're upset that you didn't convince me, I can't help that.

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When I was looking earlier at the wish list of interviewees I was thinking the same thing--that Ann would be perfect to interview. She was one of my dad's favorite actresses. As far as not appearing on the Star Stories segment, usually the celebrity talking doesn't appear. It's always done in voice over.

I watched a couple of movies yesterday that I really wasn't familiar with that I really enjoyed. One of them was Come September which was on last night. I thought this movie was really, really cute and funny. Who knew that Walter Slezak or Gina Lollabridgida could be so funny? And Gina was absolutely stunning--I loved her wardrobe. If anyone doubts that Kevin Spacey was too old to play Bobby Darin just needed to see how baby faced Bobby was in that picture. It was just a delight to watch. Another was on the Fox Movie Channel (I don't have it on my cable but I was kid watching yesterday and my friend has it on his satellite.) It was called As Young As You Feel. It was a little wisp of a movie but it had one of my favorite character actors, Monty Woolley, in the lead role. And his boss was played by the notorious Albert Dekker (look him up--a real freak.) The bosses wife was played by Constance Bennett. I had to look it up on IMDB because I knew her face but I couldn't put my finger on who it was. I recommend both movies if you get a chance to see them.

I see now, sagebrush. Thanks for the explanation. And good luck on your crusade to bring this movie to its knees.

I see now, sagebrush. Thanks for the explanation. And good luck on your crusade.

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Thanks for the shout outs, slappy3500. I want to marry you if you're available (it would help if you're a man too.) The funny thing is that I like fantasy movies, like fairy tale stuff. But I guess the "science" in sci-fi is the part that turns me off. I always hated science in school. But I don't like horror movies either (but those Vincent Price movies from the 60's and 70's crack me up.) But I'm not guilty of watching soaps because I gave them up years ago.

BTW, I don't know how the problem about Ms. Hepburn's romances got messed up in the script. AND, I have a much bigger problem with Kevin Spacey portraying Bobby Darin. He's about 10 years old than Darin was when he died, so it's a really difficult for me to accept him as an even younger Darin. myidolspencer---why did you start this thread? Didn't you realize the trouble it would start? I know you're just trying to be helpful but please answer sagebrush's questions about the movie. She seems really upset about it and since you've seen it and like it, try to comfort her in some way about the inconsistencies. Thanks a bunch.

Okay---I get it. The whole thing is a fabrication. I'll make sure I never see it. However, I think you're getting your drawers in a knot over something rather silly, unless you are indeed a Hughes or are related somehow. If so, I apologize. I wouldn't want a relative to be misrepresented either. But like I stated earlier, some dramatic license is taken on ALL biographical movies, to make them more entertaining. I don't really think Scorcese or DiCaprio (who I think is the producer) set out to hurt Hughes in any way. Heck, he did that himself with his eccentric behavior. Where you alive before he died? I was and all I can remember is that he was a recluse with a lot of money and some pretty weird habits.

I don't know if these examples count but here goes. 10 Things I Hate About You--A modern version of the Taming of the Shrew, even the characters names are the same Out of the Past--I think it was pretty well known at the time that Against All Odds was a remake of that but I didn't know it until I saw Out of the Past and thought "This plot is almost exactly like Against All Odds." I don't know if this really applies but I was watching one of those PBS Britcoms with my mother (she loves those things) and on the one with Judi Dench (As Time Goes By) her husband was trying to sell his book about their early life to a studio. One of the production people started suggesting changes to the book and I told my mom "That sounds like the plot to Random Harvest." Well, the next line of dialogue out of Dame Judy's mouth was something like "Our story is nothing like Random Harvest." Just cracked me up. And I usually hate those Britcoms.

I just heard one on Midnight Mary. Someone was calling a girl "that dame." Boy, would I like to the a "dame."

Hey--at least in DeLovely they did admit to Porter's homosexuality, which wasn't the case in the Cary Grant portrayal of Porter. You two need to lighten up----it's only the movies. And sagebrush--you still didn't tell me why you're taking this so personally. It's like you're his kin or something. Did you see Melvin and Howard? Totally made up. It's called the movies. Like I said, Hepburn and Hughes were friends and I believe he helped her get the rights to the Philadelphia Story. But whatever cranks your tractor. If you choose to be offended it's no skin off my nose.

To add, I know it's not Joan in the shot with Gable but I think that the woman who he's blowing smoke at is his "girlfriend" in the movie until he meets up with Joan (or whoever it was.)

I'm almost positive that the scene where Joan Crawford is drying her hair is from Dance, Fools, Dance. There is a scene at the beginning of that movie (I think this is the movie) where Joan is having a party on a boat and everyone goes swimming in their undies and the scene right after that is her drying her hair in her cabin and talking to the guy who's her date (I don't think it's the leading man but I could be wrong.) I think the Gable blowing smoke shot is from Possessed with Joan, also. It might be Susan Lenox, but I'm pretty sure it was one of the ones he's in with Joan.

I know the network is based in Atlanta but always got the impression that all the in studio work done by Robert Osborne, including the Private Screenings, were taped in LA. It seems, to me anyway, that some of the older stars are maybe a little infirmed and wish to keep their lives private and that's why they don't appear on Private Screenings. But that doesn't stop me from wanting to see them talk about the old days and the movies they were in.

I like some of your suggestions, keithfromkc, and think I'll add them to my DVD rental list (I belong to Walmart DVD club so Outfoxed is not on their list; however, The Hunting of the President is and I can't wait to see it. It's about President Clinton. That's all I'll say.) I've read about some of those docs and I might try DIG! I've heard some of the Dandy Warhols songs, and I've heard of the other band. If you have the Sundance channel, they show a lot of obscure docs and some that you've mentioned. I watch them a lot.

Fuster---sorry to disappoint you about the sci-fi thing but........I don't get them and don't like them. And I was a HUGE fan of MST3K without apologies. We'll just agree to have different tastes. BTW I love doc's too. Have a few on my DVD rental list. I prefer docs about the movies but I like political ones too.

sagebrush--I've seen several of your posts on this topic on the IMDB boards and I don't quite understand why you're taking this movie (The Aviator) so personally. I haven't seen one movie biography that didn't take liberties with the facts. But the facts are that Hughes did go to Hollywood at a young age because of his fascination with movies and the stars (mainly female.) He did make the most expensive movie at the time (Hell's Angels) and he did date the women featured in the movie. Maybe not at the exact times portrayed and maybe not all that he was involved with. I haven't seen the movie but I feel like I need to defend it for some reason.

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BTW, I can take science fiction as long as Mike and the Bots from Mystery Science Theater 3000 are commenting, but otherwise, no.

I like all kinds of "junk." Some of it's even pretty. Love the 30's "womens" pictures, anything funny (up to and including Dude, Where's My Car?), starting to warm up to Westerns, a few war pictures here and there (Battleground is one of my all time favorites) and I love biographies (or psuedo biographies--usually the facts are skewed a little.) Least favorite are film noir but I've seen a few I like. Some epics--just saw Lawrence of Arabia for the first time and was impressed by the photography and the beauty of a young Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif. No science fiction, though. Totally bores me.

I like Mommie Dearest very much, especially Faye Dunaway. She did immerse herself so that she became Joan Crawford. I wasn't that familiar with Joan before I saw Mommie Dearest so that was my image of her for a long time. Then, when TCM came on, they showed a lot of her movies and I could appreciate her for the great star she was. I take what we see in Mommie Dearest with a grain of salt. Maybe partially true, partially exaggerated. We'll never know, really. I like a lot of the scenes mentioned here, but the most chilling to me is the scene where Christina is forced to call her Mommie Dearest. Very creepy.