Movie Collector OH
-
Posts
4,573 -
Joined
-
Days Won
3
Posts posted by Movie Collector OH
-
-
11 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
Note that despite the complains TCM hasn't changed. Their business model (what I call their branding), is still the same; mostly American Studio era talking films (1929 - 1968).
Moviecollectors database confirms this. I.e. the odds are still strong that if one tunes to TCM they have at least a 4 \ 5 chance of seeing an American Studio era talking film.
1 hour ago, TopBilled said:I agree with what you are saying, to a point, james. But I feel that you are overlooking the fact that it's easy to up the percentage of studio era films on TCM when they broadcast NORTH BY NORTHWEST 15-20 times a year and keep other usual suspects in heavy rotation. So in some way it becomes a narrow rather limited scope of what is airing from the production code years. That's another discussion, of course!
And as I said in another thread a few moments ago, TCM actually has the MGM/UA films from 1925 to 1986 in its library, and with that comes independent films from the mid-to-late 1980s that MGM/UA owned. That's why we see something like THE GARBAGE PAIL KIDS MOVIE trotted out during the TCM Underground hours. That too is another discussion.
They weren't showing THE GARBAGE PAIL KIDS MOVIE until they realized they could offload it as an Underground (cult) film. So in that regard, they've learned to adapt the branding, as you call it.
https://www.moviecollectoroh.com/reports/1)movies-only.htm
This is the link to go to for general quantitative info. For exactly this reason I have included a "unique" column which doesn't measure reruns (per year). This is the first column after the = sign. If anything, that works against the figures of classic-era movies being aired, reducing the amount of times certain classic-era high repetition entries like NBNW are counted.
Only feature-length (>= 45 min) movies are counted in this report, not shorts or other often repeating interstitial titles. Comedy shorts like Laurel & Hardy are left out too - as that would disproportionately inflate the overall numbers of classic-era movies.
The last column in my report isn't used for production decade percentages (as some on here do by hand each month), it is used for something else.
Prior to 2000 there are still some missing months, the proportions represent what is counted.
-
1
-
-
On 2/8/2021 at 12:26 PM, TopBilled said:
If you'll notice I deliberately said "old" "standard" desktop computer in the post that you quoted. Again, not everyone can afford technology with all the bells and whistles.
As I said this is another topic for another thread probably.
Just pointing out that cell phones have not actually 'replaced' anything. Those people are just doing different things these days.
Probably off your intended point.
-
2 hours ago, TopBilled said:
I think the channel often tailors products and services for folks in a certain income bracket.
They don't always consider the different ways people use TCM, or in this case use the website. For instance, not everyone has an expensive new phone that they use more than an old standard desktop computer.
But that's getting into another topic.
Meh... That is no more the case than it is between creators and end users. In my case a $2000 new laptop.
-
I noticed there was a small change at the mothership yesterday, so I had to make a tiny little adjustment to my "new feed" schedule and now it is back up and running. At first that was a ho-hum moment for me, but it also indicated something a bit more interesting had happened: 😁
Individual Time Zone-specific data was added to the official schedule site yesterday, rather than just Eastern TZ data and client-side offsets for all other TZ. For the first time, Eastern TZ now needs to be specified. I also verified the same for Central TZ, presumably the rest already do or will, and presumably the capability is now there on the official website to use it, or will be soon.
(Previously the time was all relative to Eastern TZ, using client-side JS in the browser. Now the server delivers different predetermined data for each TZ, apparently to avoid client-side complications and intricacies with the browser JS and 3rd party TZ servers.)
I don't use the official site and I am in the Eastern TZ which was usually correct anyway, so maybe viewers from other TZ might be interested in checking it out. See if the times are correct on the official site now for the non-Eastern TZ.
-
1
-
-
27 minutes ago, hamradio said:
So why does Olive Oyl looks NORMAL?
I hooked up an old school crosshatch / color bar generator to my TV's video input and to my puzzlement the pattern was still square not turned slightly rectangled.
So was it an SD output connected to an SD input?
-
2 hours ago, txfilmfan said:
That's the 14:9 ratio I mentioned above. They do it by cropping a 4:3 frame at the top and bottom. It's most noticeable on title cards, where occasionally the tops or bottoms of letters will be cut off.
A compromise of sorts no doubt. Hopefully it remains limited in use.
-
4 minutes ago, TopBilled said:
Has it ever aired on TCM? (Since you're the expert on such things!)
Actually it has. I must ha' missed it.
-
My Dinner With Andre (1981). (Paramount distribution channels I think) And why not... It would fit right in with some of the crap they have been playing overnight. No perfunctory bedroom scenes with the half nude babe though, so that might be a let down for some.
-
1
-
-
7 hours ago, TikiSoo said:
I do see many streaming TV shows & movies are "uploaded incorrectly" as Ohio said so the format cannot be corrected. This was mentioned before concerning old TV shows- I was incredibly disappointed when binge watching CYBILL to see only the last season was stretched upon uploading.
The "normal" setting (square, like before widescreen) button is non functional when using a streaming signal! Sorry, I cannot watch anything in the wrong aspect ratio & cannot understand how anyone can watch a distorted picture. Thankfully, I have an older, modest 32" Sony TV that has a button right on top to easily change the screen format.
Particularly annoying when watching MrTiki's big 60" Sony TV. The wide/normal/zoom choices are not an easy remote button, but have to be changed going into the picture "settings". Of course it's wholly worth the 30 seconds it takes to change it, but not easy for anyone elderly to fiddle with TV settings every time.
I really hope future TVs figure this out instead of ignoring it thinking "no one wants to see it THAT way". With so much classic TV & movies made "that" way, YES WE DO!
Ok let's think "old school" here. Maybe a big long button all along the right side (for those who are right-handed), so it changes each time you reach out and whack it?
-
2
-
-
Do you have any evidence to support that though?
-
My own source, who has painstakingly created an independant broadcast log going back to the beginning of 2011 (making a record of every single thing shown - not just what's on the schedule - but what was actually shown), has given me data which agrees with cmovieviewer.
Before that my data relies on published official schedules, so something might have happened then. Multiple times? I kind of doubt it. It would have had to have fallen through the cracks each and every time.
-
1
-
1
-
-
Three Cornered Moon (1933)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0024664/Claudette Colbert, Richard Arlen, Mary Boland
-
1
-
-
Wow, I would have thought that by now everyone had TCM available on an HD channel. This would solve many issues, or rather prevent issues, from trying to frame an SD picture and its associated matting to an HD TV.
Just to confirm, all my diagrams assume the channel is delivered over an HD channel to begin with.
My scenarios 3 & 4 (native HD) might not even exist then in the case of an SD channel, but might be replaced with a couple other alternate scenarios involving an HD transfer, with SD matting added intended for an SD TV, then delivered to the HD TV. Yuck.
-
33 minutes ago, cmovieviewer said:
I had posted something about this a while back because I have the same issue for the TCM on demand content on my cable system. I will try to summarize:
- on my cable system, the on demand content is separated into 2 categories, HD and SD
- the HD content fills a 16x9 standard HD TV screen as expected
- the SD content is "full screen" which is for older 4:3 content (row 4 of MCOH diagram). There are bars on the side.
- for some reason, all TCM videos are only available as SD content.
- TCM adds 16x9 intros to much of their content, so the default TCM aspect ratio for all videos is 16x9. Classic 4:3 films fit into this frame with bars on the side.
- since the TCM videos are part of the on demand SD directories, this content is shown in the 4:3 frame, which applies a 2nd level of letterboxing.
So I end up with a picture like this:
This may be what is happening for you as well. The other problem with using the SD content format is that it is lower resolution, so even if you are able to zoom in the picture quality will be degraded.
Just think. With enough HD/SD permutations, the possibilities could be endless.
Infinity Mirror
I know, not much help...
-
2
-
-
21 minutes ago, hamradio said:
Yes but people STILL complain about the black bars.
People like that simply cannot be reached. 😁
-
1
-
1
-
-
21 minutes ago, hamradio said:
When watching the older 4:3 format on an HD TV, this is what you see - the black bars on the side. This is NORMAL. You can stretch the picture.
That (my #2 diagram above or #4 diagram) has a much better look than the upscaled Widescreen SD (my #1 diagram above), simply because all the originally scanned pixels are still there, represented 1:1 or better, whereas the widescreen film has first been reduced to fit the SD screen, then enlarged again if you are zooming in to fill your HD screen with it.
-
To round off the topic introduced with the pics above, here are two other likely combinations, unrelated to the OP situation. These forego the intermediate step of an SD transfer. They are direct-to-HD transfers. Note that scenario #2 (from above) and #4 both result in the same aspect ratios, though #2 is upscaled SD and #4 is native HD which will have a higher resolution.
-
13 minutes ago, spauldingd said:
Having black bars on 2 sides is common and expected as long as everything looks proportional. If you have black bars on all 4 sides then you should be able to fix that by pressing the FORMAT or SIZE button on your remote. Usually, you just keep pressing that button to cycle through all your options. The name of the button and the settings will vary but should be there.
Yes, many large screen TVs can be adjusted for that. The image will not be very clear though, depending on how much you have to stretch the image, as the source was reduced to fit into an SD frame in the first place.
-
10 minutes ago, ElCid said:
Thanks, but way above my level. Just seems to me that if they have the bars on all four sides, why not make the actual view larger? This seems to occur more with TCM than other networks.
The respective owners/holding companies have a bigger backlog of work to do here. Many titles on TCM. What you are seeing when this happens is older film transfers, produced before the days of HD TVs, Blu Ray and HD streaming.
-
59 minutes ago, spauldingd said:
I’d start with this free course of video lectures. It’s been a while since I watched it, but it was very good. I’ve read many film studies textbooks and numerous documentary series I could recommend, but this is free and quite good.
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/literature/21l-011-the-film-experience-fall-2013/
Looks promising. Thanks!
-
Most likely reason is the source material they used for that airing was once formatted for "standard definition", then that was recycled and later formatted for "widescreen".
See my diagram below. This is the first two rows of this diagram, scenario #1).
-
1
-
4
-
-
1 hour ago, Polly of the Precodes said:
- Thank you for compiling this.
- Nothing on the schedule I want to see; maybe I'll dip into that John Ford boxset.
- After the May 2 entries, the April entries repeat.
- Primetime programming for March 31 is still TBA. Any idea what TCM plans to show? (Probably documentaries about the history of the Academy Awards.)
1. You're welcome
3. P.S. oops nevermind - my problem. I see what happened.
4. I noticed that too about the end of the March, which hasn't changed in a while. I'll quote you again if I see an update.-
1
-
Another early look (scroll to bottom of page).
https://www.moviecollectoroh.com/nightly/sched.htm-
5
-
-
37 minutes ago, cody1949 said:
I still haven't found a workable link to the monthly March schedule. Could someone kindly post it that doesn't flash in and out. Thanks.
Are you having an issue with this link?
https://www.moviecollectoroh.com/nightly/sched.htm
Too Many Recent Films this past month!
in General Discussions
Posted
I had to draw the line someplace. It was a design choice. As the mathematical symbols imply, 45 min and up.