[Movies that won't be shown on TCM]

On 2/2/2019 at 7:20 PM, slaytonf said:

You act like seeing these movies would be a plus.

Many of us would even go for a break-even point.

[New (OLD) Movies Please]

2 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

My "laugh" reaction is based on the choice of your putting A LINE THROUGH "is one review" and not simply backspacing and deleting those three little words entirely.   

Sounds like an interesting flick though, and one that WAS obviously "pre-code".  You'd think a film of this sort wouldn't be considered until about the '70's or so.     OR get done by AMERICAN INTERNATIONAL in the mid to late '60's and somehow involve hippies or bikers.   

Sepiatone

Great visuals...   

As per the strike...  I had that entry in my personal movie collecting database for a number of years.  The memo field there is basically what I copied and pasted into my post here.  Back when I added that entry, there was only one IMDB review.  Now there are two.  Make that three if you count Polly Of The Precodes.  That can only be a good sign.  Things are looking up!

[New (OLD) Movies Please]

It's Great To Be Alive (1933) - Gloria Stuart, Edna May Oliver - Comedy, Musical, Sci-Fi

"An aviator who crash landed on an island in the South Pacific returns home to find that he is the last fertile man left on Earth after an epidemic of masculitus."

Early Sci Fi/Comedy/Musical compared to Just Imagine, although more a product of the Depression.  Supposedly is/was "lost", although there is one review are two reviews on IMDB.  I might look into this one some more.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0024189/

[New (OLD) Movies Please]

2 hours ago, Fedya said:

Fox Movie Channel, before it became FXM, ran Just Imagine several times, and the print was better than what I've seen on Youtube.  But that could just be that the copies on Youtube are a later generation than that FMC ran.

All I've really seen is this, found banging around at the Capital Film Fest in NY about a couple years ago.  Criterion canisters, but maybe that's just the rental service.    A couple people who actually did see this at the film fest replied to me in another forum, saying things like "print looked fuzzy", "print had a noticeable hum", "out of focus...projectionist falling asleep", but they did suggest better copies to be out there.

[TCM Premieres]

[New (OLD) Movies Please]

2 hours ago, LawrenceA said:

According to MovieCollector's database (http://www.moviecollectoroh.com/reports/TCM_SCHEDULES_SUMMARY_alpha.htm)

Black Orpheus was shown 11 times last year.

Letter from an Unknown Woman is listed as having shown 3 times, the last in 2013. I would have sworn this one was shown more recently, as I recall people discussing it on here.

Here's what I have for Black Orpheus (1959):
1997-03
1997-05
2009-11
2010-07
2010-10
2011-01
2011-02
2014-06
2016-06
2018-02
2018-09

Here's what I have for Letter From An Unknown Woman:
2010-03
2012-01
2013-08

The more recent years (2011 or so, and up to last month-ending) no longer just use the schedule from the TCM website.  They also use hard data of what actually aired.  So these will be the most accurate.  Prior to 2011 and future months still rely on TCM online schedules, as available to general public.  Prior to the online schedules, printed schedule cards, as mailed out.

[New (OLD) Movies Please]

My biggie is Just Imagine (1930).  Just a quirky old Comedy-Fantasy-Musical-Romance-Sci-Fi.

I just want to see a nice print of it get out there.  It has been shown at film festivals and so forth, just not released on DVD as far as I know (though I haven't checked lately).

Another is Tough Guys (1986).  That actually is out now, at least on Amazon Prime.

[TCM Premieres]

Updates to my project are now uploaded for this month.
http://www.moviecollectoroh.com

 

[Movies that won't be shown on TCM]

I don't know about "never", but less likely.

Here are a couple German movies I watched on Youtube that didn't have English subtitles.

Gloria (1931)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0021914/?ref_=ttmi_tt

A small-time movie with the two leads from Metropolis, Gustav Fröhlich and Brigitte Helm (Freder and Maria).  Another chance to see them together, but in very different characters.  She is even named Maria here.  Has-been flyer is now just delivering air mail in his plane named Gloria.  Wife doesn't even want him doing that.  Another flyer in the fold is a test pilot/exhibitor.  There is some romantic tension between the three of them.  Husband decides to fly overseas to America for the adventure, but runs into engine problems.

Flug in Gefahr (1964)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058107/?ref_=nv_sr_1

This is a German version of Zero Hour, it has been said Airplane made specific references to this movie too.
 

 

[Whew! That Was a Long 8 Hours, Ay Folks?]

15 hours ago, darkblue said:

No TCM community for a long time there. I've still got the tremblies.

It wouldn't surprise me the least if AT&T decided to can it, but not without some sort of message of forewarning.  (I've always thought they run this forum more like a liability than an asset, probably just my MBA detector going off)

It sounds more like a server was shut down for work.  It appears the forum part of this website goes out to Cloudfront  - a "cloud" service which is part of Amazon Web Services (AWS) and on top of that it appears to be hosted on Invision "Community In The Cloud" (Invision CIC) - a forum provider.  TCM's forum is just one of many different accounts that they centrally manage from there.  So plenty of room for complexity.

[April 2019 Schedule is up]

6 minutes ago, Polly of the Precodes said:

The way TCM keeps teasing silent film fans with Lilac Time (1928)?

Yes.

[April 2019 Schedule is up]

7 minutes ago, Hibi said:

I'm almost sure it's been shown in the last year. I thought about recording it because it's seldom on, but I didnt.

They might have pulled it.

[That's a nice car!]

9 hours ago, slaytonf said:

I don't know what car this is, but, YOW!:

 

From Love Affair (1932), with Dorothy Mackaill and Humphrey Bogart.

And coming in third place, I was searching a bit last night (I'm not really a very good car guy, though I love seeing antiques like this at car shows) and it looked like it had some similarities to some versions of the 1930 Cadillac v16 452.  In particular, going by the lines along the front and rear wheel wells, but it looks like that car in the pic has no running boards, and I don't think I even see a windshield.    So there might have been any number of different brands that could have looked like this, maybe some with a little more "motivation" than others.  IIRC, "outy" hubcaps shaped like that do seem to appear on some pictures of the Auburn though.

[colorizing deserves another shot]

7 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

M.C.Ohio- would you mind explaining the modern computer colorizing process to me?

I always imagined it would be the same as colorizing a b&w photo (like with "photo oils"-yes I've done that!) But done in a computer program like PhotoShop, where everything is easier to duplicate  over several frames rather than each frame individually. (like the early colored "dancing butterflies" that were hand painted and the color varies widely between frames)

So colors are chosen, then just dropped transparently over the blacks/grays/whites? A red dress would be colored with transparent red over the entire dress area, creating gray/red "shading"?

If you were hand coloring, you'd add a bit of brown to the gray "shading" to warm it up, is that done with computer colorization? Are all the "blacks" shaded up to say 85% gray to take the extra color?

I hear you about sit-com consistent lighting.

Yes, except they would go one step further.  Some of the features like those you might be expecting are incorporated into higher-end video editing software, others might only be available as licensed third-party "plug-ins" which the user might purchase and add as needed (at least that has been done in the audio production world).  Photoshop used to be quite expensive, possibly still is, because it came with a bunch of third-party licensed filters and plug-ins.  Getting everything under one hood though makes the work flow more streamlined and efficient. 

Not sure which product might be chosen to colorize those B&W TV shows, it would depend on whichever one has the best tools available at the time to get the job done.  Adobe After Effects is just one consumer-oriented product I can think of off the top of my head.  It allows for some degree of creative input by the user, and it has been used by some to touch up flaws on old films.  With a studio budget and big purchasing power, they can always get something newer and better, maybe even commission its development.  If I were them, I wouldn't bother with this if it were just for the purposes of colorization (SMH).

[colorizing deserves another shot]

3 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

then you confirm that colorizing is practical...

now this is what tcm could do. show the two colorized films I have mentioned. Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House and chain lightning and let the tcm viewing audience decide. both colorized films were syndicated nationally AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM SINCE.

tcm oughta show 'em, both of 'um. let tcm viewers watch a colorized JA-3 shoot up to the upper atmosphere with bogie at the stick. 

"give these things a chance. you'll love them!" -felix, odd couple ep 'take my furniture, please'

I am not advocating anything though.  Just trying to figure out what is happening and why. 

Above all else, that doesn't broadly translate into me advocating the colorizing of old B&W movies, because I wouldn't. 

[colorizing deserves another shot]

13 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

why does CBS from time to time air newly colorized eps of I love Lucy and The Dick Van Dyke Show?

 

Out of anything there is that could be colorized, those examples are stupid easy.  2-4 actors and a limited number of small fixed sets that never change - all with with consistent, even lighting.  As close to any "set it and forget it" scenario as you will find.  It wouldn't surprise me if they could colorize an entire season, with only minor tweaks between different filming days.

[colorizing deserves another shot]

9 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

I thought the make up for the MUNSTERS was done by a Westmore. In fact, I had a conversation with Butch Patrick about working with the Westmores on that show. 

I will also reveal that on COLOR film, you use different colors on the face to do different things. A yellow crayon type stick under the eyes will counter the purple-y dark circles. Using any shade of blue eye liner will make the eyes "white-er" and any redness less noticeable.

Color is an amazing tool that works great creating illusion on film, a little more noticeable in person.

It looks like Karl Silvera was brought on by Fred Gwynne.  The others in the cast may have used the one(s) you mentioned, and/or regular production staff.

[colorizing deserves another shot]

6 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

I'm not sure if that chart is a guideline for "glamour" and "still" head shots, but rather a guide for obtaining a certain "look" which would be suited for particular parts of a story.  Like, the dark circles might be required to obtain a look of illness or such.  And also depending which color of filter  the cinematographer was using as different colors respond differently in those cases, regardless of being on B&W film.  Recall....they often used CHOCOLATE SYRUP as a blood substitute because IT looked MORE "blood-like" than red did on B&W stock.

Sepiatone

Filters.  The plot thickens for my post above.


This probably isn't that closely related, but I thought I'd post it anyhow. 

[colorizing deserves another shot]

As Arsan said, the B&W lighting was an art in itself and that wouldn't carry over well to color. 

Also, the response of the B&W film to natural colors during filming was a chemical process, one that would be different for each formulation, and let's pretend for a moment the batches were actually consistent from run to run.  Assuming the colorists understood this and decided to calibrate it to a specific known film formulation, and assuming that film formulation's color response is known, and pretending B&W film response to color was consistent, or even that there was some differentiation between levels of light and shades of color (remarkably for no other reason than to reverse-engineer it for color later on)...the colors still wouldn't make sense in various ways since some of the colors were specifically chosen for B&W filming.  Strange shades of makeup, etc.  So that leaves us with the creative merit of the color promoters. 

Further thought on this since this topic last came up, B&W leaves more to the imagination, and the imagination can be more profound than reality.   One must draw a line somewhere though, or else there will be nothing satisfactory but old-time radio shows and books.

[colorizing deserves another shot]

34 minutes ago, fxreyman said:

There is no real justification too change a black and white film to color except for pure vanity. Remember, long before Ted Turner had the idea for TCM he was a promoter of colorizing old films. He apparently saw the light (no pun intended), or at least whomever worked for him when he launched TCM. Maybe it was Robert Osborne who told him to stop?

Anyhow, why change from black and white to color?

Is it simply due to the fact that many will not want to watch an older B/W film? Or is it because many younger viewers simply will not tolerate watching a B/W film?

 

[TCM Premieres]

1 hour ago, cmovieviewer said:

My thanks to LawrenceA who has posted in another thread that some of the TV schedule services are showing that the movie Amazons of Rome (1963) has been replaced with The Revolt of the Gladiators (1958) late Thursday evening (4:30 am Friday morning Eastern time).  The Revolt of the Gladiators also goes by the title The Warrior and the Slave Girl, as well as the Italian title 'La rivolta dei gladiatori'.  Since I don't see any of these titles in MovieCollectorOH's data, The Revolt of the Gladiators may be a TCM premiere.  (Amazons of Rome was not a scheduled premiere.)

The online TCM schedules are currently not listing this change but past experience has shown that the other TV schedule services may be more up-to-date.

Huh...  According to IMDB it wasn't even called "The Revolt of the Gladiators" in English.  That was the title in several different foreign language countries though.  So someone translated it along the way, in spite of the US release title "The Warrior and the Slave Girl".  My project relies on previously cached IMDB AKA correlation to resolve original foreign titles to US releases (TCM listings).  Just to be sure, I checked all the iterations you listed and none are in my TCM schedule database.

[Is the upcoming Irish on Film series too ethnocentric?]

If it makes you feel any better, it will probably never be repeated.

[The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's Class of 2019]

On 1/11/2019 at 8:21 AM, TikiSoo said:

Interesting lists.

What follows is my opinion only-I'm open to hear your debate/POV:

The Beatles bore me for some reason. When I hear recordings from the era I'm much more impressed with The Beach Boys contribution to R&R . The innovation came from within the band, not outside the band ie George Martin for the Beatles. That said, the Beatles had the incredible lyricist in Lennon and simple, engaging tunesmith  McCartney, strong musician Harrison & equalizing Starr-a very STRONG combination!

I find Dylan a poseur, but I see& understand his contribution to R&R history.

Is Prince really that innovative? I'm not as familiar with his body of work aside from a couple of blousy blues & pop songs.

I do think Queen was wholly innovative in approach, including having outstanding, strong members. I was more of a soft rock kind of gal when Queen hit the airwaves and I was quickly won over. People are still amazed at my love for this band, it's kind of out of character.

But Queen was another very talented British band with a dash of "Birmingham Sound" classic influence. I love Mercury's "show tunes", May's incredible compositions & Deacon's anthems. Plus Queen pleases the masses, with a string of great hits people sing today. The bottom? Really?

While the Moody Blues are just ok to me, I see them as a successful Birmingham influence to R&R. But I absolutely think Electric Light Orchestra epitomizes the point much more completely.

Am I off in my opinion?

This is why I really don't do lists.  At least not to rank my own opinions on things.  Not that I don't value my own opinions on things or don't believe I have great taste, but when it comes down to it, it is a lot of work.

Anyhow, you could say my thoughts on this are basically close to LaurenceA's.  For me I like the Moody Blues and it pains me to see them at someone else's bottom of the barrel.  Also the top shelf ones are mostly just obvious choices, someone else might pick some different obvious choices.  At the same time my tastes can drift off into the Avant Garde and I just get bored with the ordinary. So big whoop.  I had the same kind of reaction to the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame induction process, not that a museum or the concept itself isn't a great idea.  For me, the "Top Whatever" lists themselves just require suspension of disbelief at times.

 

[Classical music]

2 hours ago, EricJ said:

This thread has been drifting like an icy highway, but it's about CLASSICAL MUSIC in movies, like it say in the header.

Okay I must admit that Jazzercise video was pretty funny.  It got me off guard.

[The owner of secureshop.tcm.com has configured their website improperly]

24 minutes ago, BillyBobJoeJim said:

I typed "secureshop.tcm.com" into my Google Chrome browser. It redirected to the current "shop.tcm.com." Don't understand what you are actually searching for Jeanne.

Okay now go a little bit further and find an actual TCM Store product on "secureshop.tcm.com" using Google.  The home page redirect is a more obvious thing for them to fix, which it sounds like they did.

I have personally seen with my own eyes people who think the search engine "is" the Internet, and it doesn't occur to them that they can navigate using official website links.  Or they think if the search engine doesn't know about it, or they haven't found it that way, it must not be on the Internet.