Movie Collector OH
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16 minutes ago, limey said:
That crossed my mind also - though I'm not sure why that would affect updates to the December listings for shorts, unless the small furry creature usually responsible for such things has been drafted into the Oscars effort.
It's kind of odd that everything isn't apparently generated from that one data source. Update that & have some scripts update the others. There must be some technical reason for not doing so, I guess.
Another oddity I've noticed from the monthly - sometimes it will update the listing for certain films with 'TBA
' that links back to a non-existing page - seems to be done for 1-shot movies that only get shown once & never make it into the TCMDB longer than for that broadcast.
The Daily might actually get skipped by the cron script for late-breaking changes (if in fact cron scripts are how they approach this), or it might not be configured correctly for that one scenario. That is how it appears to me, anyhow.
When there is a late-breaking change, the Daily schedule often flutters around some and then settles in an incorrect state. This is based on my own observations.
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18 minutes ago, limey said:
That crossed my mind also - though I'm not sure why that would affect updates to the December listings for shorts, unless the small furry creature usually responsible for such things has been drafted into the Oscars effort.
It's kind of odd that everything isn't apparently generated from that one data source. Update that & have some scripts update the others. There must be some technical reason for not doing so, I guess.
Another oddity I've noticed from the monthly - sometimes it will update the listing for certain films with 'TBA
' that links back to a non-existing page - seems to be done for 1-shot movies that only get shown once & never make it into the TCMDB longer than for that broadcast.
Unless it can be demonstrated to be a useful feature in the system, it is probably a shortcoming or glitch.
TBA wouldn't link to anything, as there are no correlating entries in the TCM/AFI database.
P.S. On the Monthly schedule, have you actually ever seen an entry disappear and become a "TBA"? (I haven't)
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8 hours ago, limey said:
I think they all likely originate from the same data, but only the monthly appears to be updated (possibly manually) regularly to reflect scheduling updates. Although the shorts may be selected late to fit an appropriate slot, it's not uncommon for some to be scheduled months in advance, going by what I've observed with FitzPatrick's filmography page (although this hasn't been updated this month, either).
Maybe this has something to do with the late (early) schedule for Feb 2018.
My first thought was that they have three different datasets, generated from one data source. Probably copied over by a cron script that gets triggered whenever changes are made on the data source. I have literally watched the Monthly get updated about an hour after the Weekly was correctly updated to reflect changes. The Daily, not so much.
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At least they are still showing old movies for another month. Avoided a hurdle there. [Not that I would expect anything otherwise]
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54 minutes ago, limey said:
I typically use both the daily & monthly schedules, refreshing the pages daily to watch for interesting shorts. The usual behavior I've seen is that the Monthly will update a day or so in advance, but sometimes only on the actual day, whilst the daily is often never updated at all. Last month was unusual insomuch as the daily did get to show many of the shorts.
However, this month both listings have so far failed to list all, but a handful of shorts. The weekly seemed no different when I quickly browsed it earlier.
Sounds to be quite different from the way they handle the feature films. It is interesting how the results are so varied between the different schedule views. I'd think they would all just be different views of the same data.
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Okay, then it is on their end for sure. If in the same exact spot, that is probably how they have it stored. Their version for streaming is probably missing some frames.
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Yes, it sounds a lot like The Woman In the Window.
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Not really pertinent to this thread, but I was in a predominantly Jewish area of town yesterday and a guy drove across the parking lot in a small four door sedan, with a big "Happy Hanukkah" sign on the top of his car. One set of lettering pointing forwards, and another set of lettering pointing behind, just like the lights on top of a police car. Mounted on top of that sign was a giant Menorah which probably doubled the height and oncoming profile of his car. As it come towards me, I thought it looked sort of odd. At a distance it looked like multiple reindeer antlers or something swaying around in the wind on top of his car. Definitely not anything commercially sold in stores. As he got closer I was able to read the writing, realize what it was, and I saw him grinning. I gave him a thumbs up. He was having a good old time, yes he was. It was truly a one of a kind sight. Wish I had a picture to share.
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Shorts don't often appear on the Monthly schedule until the week approaches. So you probably wouldn't see it even on the current Monthly schedule.
Typically if movie-length features don't air, they remove them from the Monthly schedule prior to airing. I haven't found any cases where this isn't true (but for my project I only permanantly store schedules for months that have already aired, so that wouldn't be much use in your case).
Shorts get added during the current month. By the end of the month, a Monthly schedule can have around 500 entries, whereas future Monthly schedules can have 350-425-ish entries. This is eventually made up by late-entry shorts into the Monthly schedule.
Shorts airing without mention seems to be pretty normal, as they use them for filler, and they seem to not finalize them too far ahead of time.
I don't pay any attention to the Daily schedule. I have observed it to be flawed, with regards to late-breaking changes.
I endorse the Weekly schedule for late-breaking changes. I also endorse (and use) the Monthly schedule for my project. The Weekly schedule is updated first, and the Monthly schedule updates follow shortly afterwards.
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Did you try re-establishing your connection? As in closing your browser window and reopening it, or just clicking on "refresh"? This would at least tell you if it is actually stored that way, or if it is happening as you watch it. Since I don't use this service, I don't know if there is a "video scrub bar" (the slider at the bottom you drag back and forth to arbitrary points of the video). If so, you might also fix it by jumping to another time point of the movie, and then back again (provided this issue is not stored on their system).
Typically audio sync issues can arise from dropped Internet packets, usually a symptom of network congestion. Unlike with film, the audio is stored in different frames than video, and not proportionately. There are fewer audio frames than video frames, so dropped packets will usually throw off the syncronization, depending on the severity.
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No "Tree" growing in "Brooklyn" this Christmas? Really?? (At least I "think" there was a Christmas scene in it)
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To refine my last thought, there is only like one media company by now anyhow. So they really should be showing more old movies.
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On 12/7/2017 at 10:14 AM, drednm said:
The ratings on IMDb hardly ever make sense to me. They have so many algorithms (if that's the right word) that how they arrive at these number is a total mystery. I remember giving a 10 to a silent short film that had only 5 or 6 votes and its rating number went DOWN.
Maybe a glitch. That's one of my pet peeves too, if they can't get smaller numbers to work out, what's going on with the larger numbers? We are living in the age of funny numbers so nothing really surprises me anymore.
P.S. on another tangent, they have such a large system that in certain cases it might take a while for things to post correctly, as in server replication. So maybe it initially factored in showing a larger divisor, but before the numerator came over.
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46 minutes ago, speedracer5 said:
God help us if the "surprise" is Hot Spell.
I'm setting my DVR to record regardless. It could end up being something that I already own like It's a Wonderful Life, or it could end up being something really cool!
An announcement that all the previously-believed "lost" movies from Fox, Universal, and Paramount have been FOUND, and February will be a binge-watching festival of out-of-house titles never before seen on TCM.
Oh yes, and Hot Spell will be shown on the 13th. In color. And then in B&W. In that order.
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Always good to see ZaSu. Always.
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It's all my fault.
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1 hour ago, jakeem said:
I almost forgot that The Cowsills performed the theme song for Season 1 of the ABC romantic comedy/anthology series "Love: American Style" during the 1969-1970 season.
The tune was co-written by composer Charles Fox, who later shared a 1973-1974 Grammy Award with Norman Gimbel for Song of the Year -- Roberta Flack's "Killing Me Softly With His Song." Flack also won two Grammys for the song, including Record of the Year.
Now here's what blows my mind. Beginning with Season 2 (and continuing through Season 5), the song was performed by The Ron Hicklin Singers, a group of professional studio recording artists (billed for the show as The Charles Fox Singers). As it turns out, they provided non-David Cassidy vocals for The Partridge Family.
Smells like recording studio/copyright issues to me. I don't know the specifics in this time period, but they did jump around from studio to studio so maybe that had something to do with things...or not.
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1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:
"Nice" is not a word I've ever heard associated with The Cowsills, who I thankfully forgot ALL ABOUT until you guys came along with your clips and all...
Sepiatone
Did you really need to post that? You have absolutely no idea of how many posts I don't follow through with on here.
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7 hours ago, jakeem said:
It just occurred to me that "We Can Fly" is a song by The Cowsills that could have been performed by The Partridge Family.
In passing I did come across at least one song that The Cowsills and The Partridge Family both did play [it could have been this]. I'll have to see if I can get lucky and find that reference a second time.
Here are The Cowsills with original members Susan, Paul (playing David Cassidy's part which in turn was based on them, but nobody in particular), and Bob on the right playing Guitar. This is part of their show.
Here are a couple other songs from their show, with Susan singing lead.
I think a drum shield would do wonders for them, or lighter drum technique.
I can hear the drums bleeding through every single vocal mic on stage. Their music is too subtle for that. Difficult to hear the harmonies. Otherwise nice.
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18 hours ago, drednm said:
The TCM data is not as accurate ... my opinion.
Agreed. In general not as complete. TCM's DB is sourced from AFI. IMDB's DB is crowd-sourced, vetted by IMDB employees, then they call it their own work. LOL
I have noticed the TCM DB miss out on some international things, as well as a few minor US works. Blank details for the listings on a block of Canadian Film Board stuff for instance, whereas IMDB had the details all filled out. (This was apparent when these came up on my Premiere list - which pulls details from the IMDB DB, but were blank on the TCM monthly schedule.)
IMDB on the other hand misses out on some of the more obscure shorts TCM shows.
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On 12/2/2017 at 3:47 AM, cmovieviewer said:
Very mysterious! I guess I'll set my recorder for the first 3 hours and then see what happens.
Just posting this to say I updated my schedule lists yesterday, I just didn't want to wait much longer. It looks like no changes to the Premiere list for the month of December (the data was starting to get old, last updated mid October). I did manage to finalize the stuff for October and November just to get it out of the way and keep any more of a backlog from piling up. So that is about all for right now. I'll run the updates again either in earlyJanuary or after they post March's tentative schedule, whichever comes first.
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Okay, I see from Lawrence's smaller post that "Popularity" may be tied to web traffic and other figures, rather than the "Number of IMDB Votes" or "Ratings Share" number I was talking about above. Between these two, I would go by "Ratings Share" though (and NOT "Popularity"), as "Ratings Share" would presumably indicate that someone has actually seen the movie since they voted on it. I couldn't care less about the rest of their web traffic in this case.
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The problem with today's ratings of older movies is the human nature for things to be "out of sight, out of mind." So on IMDB you are only seeing results of what people "thought" to rate.
Also to clarify the terminology of whomever it may concern, "Popularity" as I see it really means "Number of IMDB Votes" or "IMDB Rating Share".
Consider using the "Number of IMDB Votes" or "IMDB Rating Share" instead of "Popularity."
[This is NOT to be confused with "Rating", which is the average rating value from the 10 people or 10,000 people in the IMDB peanut gallery who may have thought to vote on it.] The "Popularity" "Ratings Share" figure can be useful to see if a movie has been in circulation though.Box Office numbers *at time of release* should count for something. Also any secondary markets should be counted and noted separately, not combined with the original box office. Having said that, the three fields IMDB provides for basic financial information (Budget, Opening Weekend Revenue, and Gross Revenue) are all too often incomplete, or even just empty, for me to consider using this for any kind of mass comparisons. The Rotten Tomatos website may or may not have different box office or financial information per movie.
So considering all the above, I'd say I agree with Lawrence and drednm.
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2 hours ago, limey said:
Talking of rare Ealing comedies - I was hoping that Whisky Galore! (1949) might put in an appearance. I can't remember ever seeing it air on TCM...
No entries for it yet in my project...
http://moviecollector.us/reports.htm-
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' that links back to a non-existing page - seems to be done for 1-shot movies that only get shown once & never make it into the TCMDB longer than for that broadcast.
I can hear the drums bleeding through every single vocal mic on stage. Their music is too subtle for that. Difficult to hear the harmonies. Otherwise nice.
Shorts in the daily program guide sometimes aren't shown?
in PROBLEMS with TCM.com
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The instructions to copy 1/7 of that data (a day's worth) is enough reason to have a different block of code. I have watched it "update" during a handful of different late-breaking changes and it is about the most unstable thing I have ever seen. The bling on the surface may look similar, but the Daily is nothing at all like the Weekly in its behavior or inaccuracy. [You have seen how my reports look in comparison, right? All content and no bling. All I do is focus on the content. Life is short.
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