Movie Collector OH
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58 minutes ago, Swithin said:
I don't think a new user would figure out how to navigate an old, lengthy, established thread. They wouldn't know how to get to the newer posts; or would find it extremely cumbersome to do so.
I think the newly designed site is best for very short threads. Therefore, I am becoming a fan of Palmerin/Belianus.
If that would be too confusing, then the topic matters in the types of forums I am thinking of would be way above their heads as well. It would most likely be a non-issue.
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P.S. Here's the same area BEFORE I click into that text box. Is this what you are seeing?
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13 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:
Hitting enter while composing a message just starts a new paragraph. Can someone with the know-how to take screen-caps take a picture of the screen with the "Submit Reply" button marked so that Palmerin can see it?
Palmerin, I know you say you have an HP laptop...what browser are you using? You may wish to download and install Google Chrome, which seems to be the most compatible with the new message boards. It is free to use. Others may have some other browser suggestions.
Like this? Here is the bottom of a typical page as I see it. It expands to look like this after clicking inside the box to reply, using the Firefox browser.
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On 10/27/2017 at 9:34 AM, dianedebuda said:
Fedya and jamesjazzguitar, if I'm understanding you, you're both in favor of the new default, oldest post first order. That's what I was wanting as an option in the orig post. What I'm trying to visualize is how the posters who prefer the latest post first order read a thread when there's been more than 1 message added since the last time they visited the thread. I look at the forum every morning and it always just seemed so awkward to me, particularly with long posts. Don't you have to scroll down to your last read, then up, down, up, down until you reach the top? Again, not a challange to the earliest first order preference, just curiousity. Maybe it's simply that you're on the forum a lot and you see posts shortly after entry so there's no "to be read" stack up. In that case, it's more like email & I "get it". Back to lurking
Hey Diane, this reply is for you too.
http://forums.tcm.com/topic/156731-update-sucks/?do=findComment&comment=1599826
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2 hours ago, drednm said:
This has probably been brought up before but why do the threads run backwards? Oldest first, rather than newest first?
I think recent-posts-first is probably a relatively newer idea. I see it mostly in social media places like Twitter, Facebook, and the comments sections on news websites. With the exception of the former TCM forum, all the forums that I can think of that I have posted on had oldest-posts-first, and that goes back to the late 1990s. One exception to that would be the very primitive forums that had threaded posting, like IMDB's old forum, where the threads allowed for sub-conversations and tangential ordering.
In my opinion, oldest-post-first is more natural to read through for a developing idea or a single problem being solved by the community over time and perhaps 20-30 pages long - including many diagrams and pictures (which would definitely be revisited in the future by newcomers), whereas newest-post-first is more conducive to news tickers and recent events (ie. recent deaths, premieres, quick questions).
I have been on here about three years and learned to use newest-post-first. That struck me as being odd, as it was a first for me on a topical forum such as this, it is apparently normal for some others so I stood corrected. In this context it didn't seem to matter that much. I could go either way, just because I don't usually try to follow old conversations in order on here. On other forums I use, old conversations are often the meat and potatoes, still very fresh and still very relevant for somebody. Not so much here. This place tends to be more ephemeral in normal use.
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Now that you have this figured out, I'll just throw this in for a laugh or two. This is from Frankenstein Meets The Space Monster (1965), which has a little bit of everything. Including a nice little Vespa ride with Chad & Jeremy sound-alike music. I have put the start mark a few minutes ahead for perspective.
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16 hours ago, Fedya said:
Given a choice, one would prefer not to have Google get all their information.
Having said that, I think there are browsers that use the same rendering engine as Chrome.
(I'm on Firefox on Linux and don't see the large icons any longer, either.)
Vivaldi, a new browser from the Norwegians who brought us the Opera browser years ago - before it was sold to the Chinese. During its formative years (early 2000s to 2011 or so), Opera had it's own rendering engine (Presto), but then succumbed to using Google's Chromium engine. Then there must have been some bad corporate politics to say the least, because it looks like the original CEO and developers just picked up left. They formed their own company - Vivaldi. This was only about a year ago.
So for the Chromium/Blink rendering engine actually you have your choice of Opera (new Chinese-owned Opera) or Vivaldi (original developers and former CEO of Opera during their best years). Maybe there are others.
I found Vivaldi's default skin a bit ugly, as the tabs change color according to web page visited. So you get some harsh colors. That can quickly be disabled in the settings though. I have mine dialed in to look more like Firefox. Both Firefox and Vivaldi have minor telemetry options that can be disabled in the settings too. My main browser is Firefox, I consider the others as backups or experimental - with things moving as fast as they are now you just never know...
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7 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
My job is to support external facing software and the most likely reason for an update is because the latest versions of various browsers (IE, Chrome, Firefox), will no longer support 'old' versions. Therefore one needs to upgrade. We don't want to upgrade but we have to otherwise customers complain.
Chrome is by far the most stable browser from a technical perspective. E.g the amount of code changes to remain 'current' are few if any. IE requires the most changes. Way more (like times 10) than Chrome. Therefore anytime a company upgrades to keep up with IE there will be issues.
Note that the giant graphics is gone, and as far as I can tell most of the issues are solved IF one is using Chrome.
Why the resistance to switch to Chrome?
Yeah, when all else fails a new browser would solve it. Sounds like she has an older computer though. That is why I was starting small.
P.S. Tikisoo's could be a Mac, based on browser theme seen on screen capture in another post. No idea on OS version, that would be key. From there it is just matching up with the system requirements.
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2 hours ago, TikiSoo said:
No, they DON'T care. They reconfigured the site to be seen using the "popular" browsers, like Chrome. Those of us not willing to use those browsers lose out.
The "upgrade" certainly didn't thwart any spam.
The quote link does not work for me, it just redirects me to that post!
And the ridiculousness of the emojis is: the actual link is the word, not the graphic. We don't NEED the giant graphics at all, they're just there to "appeal" to us.
I cannot "drag & drop" photos to this textbox, but have to frame the link with html: < img src link title .jpg" / > Good thing I know the basics. Obviously I'm no techno-rube, but I am aghast at this awful upgrade. It feels like another company drank the Kool-Aid.
Hi Tikisoo. You didn't mention which browser and browser version you have, but it sounds a bit like a Javascript or Jquery issue. You try clearing your browser history since the upgrade?
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13 minutes ago, Swithin said:
Yes, I saw your earlier post. The streaming experience is more important on the non-message board part of their site, where they show clips of films. I don't think they've done anything with that.
They might not need to. The platform software (Apache Tomcat) is something else that underlies all of that. It now appears that a small change has been made, which indicates they have begun to address that. I will look at this again later. But yes, I have observed this for a while, due to the streaming issues. They have had the same outdated version for as long as I have looked, and nothing has changed until now.
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28 minutes ago, Swithin said:
Speaking of updates, I wonder what the main reason was for this update? I know it gives the functionality to share on Facebook, Twitter, etc.; but the TCM board is not a board where we use our real names, so the sharing functions are really irrelevant.
(And btw I'm still waiting for a "Newest post first" button.)
http://forums.tcm.com/topic/156569-re-forum-update-10172017/?do=findComment&comment=1597945
Having said that, I see a small bit of evidence that something else, platform software, is getting upgraded now. In turn, that may improve the streaming experience (depending on which system the streaming service lives).
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48 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:
Looks like some of the emoticons are reduced in size now, must be a work in progress....
How damn hard can it be.
P.S. Not to sound as if I am complaining, the devs have made a lot of headway so far. It tends to be a thankless job until everything is absolutely perfect and they are long gone.
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On 10/24/2017 at 12:23 PM, MovieCollectorOH said:
Cool! Wonder if there is a small quota like the old board had. That could influence how people use it, and how much crap like this gets posted.
As per user-account uploads (dragging image file from local computer to composed post), it is looking like a 3MB capacity per user profile still.
your "My Attachments" folder (you need to be logged in to view):
http://forums.tcm.com/attachments/That will soon fill up and you will need to delete some pics to make room. So no unlimited posting of images without "hotlinking" pics from an outside website (in other words nothing has really changed here).
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If anyone is reading this and still wants to kill the huge emojis (this will work on the Firefox and Chrome families of browsers (and I now see also Safari - see here: https://adblockplus.org/en/safari )
http://forums.tcm.com/topic/156569-re-forum-update-10172017/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-1597754
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3 hours ago, Fedya said:
Most sites I know have oldest comments first. When they actually number the comments, this means it doesn't break referring to a comment: comment #43 in a post will always be #43, something that was incredibly irritating when the old forum software had newest comments first.
Seriously, this is the only board I know where everybody actually seems to like the idea of having newest comments first. Having constantly to scroll up and down when a comment takes up more than one screen, now that's an awkward method of navigation.
Now you can reference a comment by its URL link.
On the old board that should have been possible, but the reverse-order seemed to either be an incomplete feature, or else it was an incomplete hackjob. They reversed the posts, but didn't think to reverse the numbering.
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6 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
Are you using IE? I was and I had this same problem (text would just continue to 'go right' on one row forever!
So now I'm using Chrome and everything is a lot better (i.e. all text shows up on the screen).
This sounds similar to the end-of-line character sequence, where you can get different results on different programs:
Windows - Lines end with both a <CR> followed by a <LF> character
Linux - Lines end with only a <LF> character
Macintosh (Mac OSX) - Lines end with only a <LF> character
Macintosh (old) - Lines end with only a <CR> character
https://confluence.qps.nl/display/KBE/Differences+in+end+of+line+characters+Mac%2C+Windows%2C+and+LinuxAlso see character 10 (\n) and character 13 (\r) here:
http://www.asciitable.com/So my guess is that they are using an editor that produces non-Windows EOL characters, and guess who doesn't follow anyone else's rules. You can imagine my shock... No EOL character would produce that as a result across the board (no pun intended), so they have to be using something in order for it to be working in Chrome (and Firefox - as it is okay for me). Without actually having looked at this case, I consider this to be a software vendor issue. Cough cough...Microsoft...wheeez.
Easy fix: don't use Internet Exploder.
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1 hour ago, TomJH said:
Anyone see how easy it is the post a pix now. Just drag and drop it from your own hard drive. No more Photobucket or any other outside service.
"Anyone else like maryjane? This new software here has me back on it again! I can at least thank it for that!"
Cool! Wonder if there is a small quota like the old board had. That could influence how people use it, and how much crap like this gets posted.
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3 minutes ago, scsu1975 said:
Got your message through my aol account, not through here. Clicking on the message brought me back here to my inbox with all my previous PMs saved. Don't know how to access the inbox from here yet, but it does exist. Sent you a PM through here.
It existed last night for a short time, up on the top right like the old forums. Then it was removed. Also I noticed the "code" formatting item from the text formatting toolbar disappear last night after I used it, later to be replaced (I see it now, it looks like "<>"). So there is definitely some activity going on.
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1 hour ago, Swithin said:
I've been involved with cultural institutions that have complex websites involving thousands of users. Before re-designing or "updating" the sites, they've had parallel sites of the newly designed site running, so that users can offer input and the new site can have a trial run. Why couldn't have TCM done that? It seems they didn't even have a test site/trial run with their own staff!
There are SO many things wrong with this re-design!
It could be that the old forum software had reached end-of-life, no longer to be supported with security patches. Or possibly the older code presented a burden to their system and held them back from other upgrades. I refuse to believe that they added the obnoxious emojis though, as opposed to it being "out-of-box". Most of the problems so far just seem to be "out of the box" or "as-is" features so far. Many forums do a large amount of customizations in order to get to where they are at.
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55 minutes ago, scsu1975 said:
This **** is hilarious! Go to the members tab, click on "past leaders," and you get to see who won the gold, silver, and bronze medals for that day. I'm getting aroused now.
Yawn. All that does is encourage some to increase their volume of frivolous posting. Totally grade school.
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43 minutes ago, Stephan55 said:
Text browsing could make a comeback after all... :razz:P.S. They are still working on it. Maybe they went live too soon for this crowd.
Devs: If the Kyle In Hollywood stuff from the old site is actually missing, put it in.
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1 hour ago, slaytonf said:
We have just stepped into foreign realms. I'm guessing that's an ad-blocker that can be tailored to a specific site? Well if it's possible, I wouldn't have a clue where to go. There is a Preferences section in Safari, but all I can figure out to do is block pop-ups and freeze plug-ins--whatever they are.
On Firefox the ad-blocker is an "add-on", an extra little bit that you download with the browser and install onto it. There are hundreds of different add-ons available, and they allow power users to develop features to add to the browser, exactly the way they want, without the browser needing any additional work. The most essential add-ons are free and available to the general public.
Just not sure on Safari.
P.S. Plug-ins would be things like Flash videos, embedded PDFs, and other junk that normally clutter up a web page. Plug-ins are used to display things, whereas Add-ons/Extensions are used to customize the browser.
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35 minutes ago, slaytonf said:
Is there an emoji fix for Safari?
So I sign in. I can post. The threads are marked as read and unread. But I am not marked as being signed in, and I can't access my profile. So the FAQs say returning members need to re-register. But clicking on the button under Returning Members just takes you to the regular account creation page, and just tells me as a returning member to sign in.
I don't know, I don't have a Mac. Are you able to add a configurable ad-blocker in Safari?
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Forum Developers: could we please have the page numbering modified a bit?
Right now the multi-page numbering is something like this:
1 2 3 4 5 6 Next >>Could it be more like this??
1 2 3 Prev Next 31 32 33Or maybe this?
<< < 1 2 3 ... 31 32 33 > >>
That seems to be the norm for a forwards-oriented site, it allows one to see at a glance how many pages there are in the thread, and easily jump in at the second or third-to-last page.
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