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About deepnoirjazz

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  1. Army of Shadows is a truly great film, and Melville a great director. Please post if there is a "meet up" !! Thanks.
  2. Thanks to CJ and the other posters !! Maybe TCM should do a Neo-Noir Festival ???
  3. It's interesting to me that Anthony Mann is one of those directors who always seems to share credit for his films with the DP and other members of the production team. There's a lot of people who believe that he did his best work with John Alton, and why not? We know Alton is a genius. But in the case of Desperate, the DP is Diskant, and they do a great job, as evidenced in this terrific scene. The common link in the Mann films is Mann, even though he worked with different DPs. Most of us go from knowing the actors and actresses, to knowing the directors, and if you've taken this course, to knowing the DPs. Film Noir criticism is sometimes described as being trans-auteur, since Noir is a style that goes beyond a single director. Is there a French name (like noir, auteur, etc.) to describe the importance of the DP, lighting and art directors? Whenever to the subject is Mann, the role and importance of the rest of the team always seem to get mentioned. Is there a particular reason for this, or does Mann just suffer from the trans-auteur nature of Film Noir? Mann is a very interesting character. He was raised in a Utopian community (Lomaland) of Theosophists in southern California, and left there by his parents when his Father became ill. When he was 14, some relatives came and got him out. Until that time, he had never seen money or eaten meat. While he lacked some experiences that the rest of us take fro granted, there was no shortage of culture, and he acted in innumerable plays while still a child. He was brought to Newark NJ (now, there's a contrast to a Utopian community in California!!) and went to Central High School, where he participated in many of the school's dramas. Interestingly, alongside Dore Schary, who would later lead production at MGM. That connection may have played a part in how Mann later came to MGM to make Border Incident (with Alton). The violence and savagery of the scene in that film where the George Murphy character is killed could actually out-savage this scene from Desperate. Whether the characters wore cowboy hats or fedoras, and no matter who the DP, Anthony Mann was one of the great directors.
  4. This is a great idea. I'm told that people would jeer and throw things at the screen when the Columbia logo came up in the theater. Still, they did have Rita Hayworth !!!
  5. I think this is just a chronology goof. The cut back to the guards leaving the bank ought to have occurred before he checks it off. The observer is "correct" in that they only stay for that period of time, so I don't think it could play a role in the story. I'll bet you enjoy this film. It's got a really interesting plot. This goof wasn't anywhere near as bad as the goof with the corpse blinking in the handyman scene. That was a jump up and down screamer !!!
  6. It really bothers me that the "observer" checks off the line about "Stays 2-4 Minutes BEFORE the armed guards come out of the bank". If this is all about precision planning, didn't the film makers notice this goof? This is a good movie, in my opinion, and a nice example of what Director Phil Karlson could do. Although I've seen this film more than once, this was the first time that I noticed what appears to me to be a chronology goof.
  7. She blinks. The corpse I mean. She blinks !!! To be fair, my wife caught this before I did. Check it out. What on earth were they doing when they edited this movie? Could it be that RKO under Hughes was so cheap that they would have prevented a re-shoot? The other alternative, that she just fainted, would mean that both the handy man and we are over reacting :-)
  8. Many thanks to PH for the FN lighting video. Excellent description of the 3 point lighting, as well as Cookies, GOBOs and Barn Doors - Terrific !!
  9. Maybe it's worth a word about the influence of psychology, in addition to philosophy. Shadow on the Wall was an excellent film that showed a major influence from psychology, including several sessions of "play therapy" between the young girl character and the psychiatrist (played by Nancy Davis). It's worth noting that all the major characters; victim, murderer, would be victim, and doctor are all female characters. The made character (played by Zach Scott) is in control of nothing, but is hostage to the actions of the females in his life. It's also a great story, where the fear and suspense keep coming back. It gives away nothing to mention the shock of Ann Southern as the heavy, and she does a terrific job of expressing the inner torment of her character.
  10. Robert Wise's "The Set Up" is an interesting case. It's a terrific film noir without much of the narrative iconography; no detective, no femme fatale, no murder, no real plot "twists" (in my opinion), etc. On CJ's list, it does have B&W photography, an unhappy(?) ending, and corruption. Towards PH's list, it does have extreme violence. I don't believe that it nihilistic. It may be the only noir based (however loosely) on a poem. It certainly reveals a claustrophobic world of flea bag motels, cheap amusements and third rate filthy arenas, in which the "sport" appeals to the basest of human instincts. The action shot / reaction shot sequence during the boxing match is pure genius. Who could forget the reactions of the fat man stuffing his face, the blind man having the fight narrated for him, the woman screaming "kill him", or the gangster's wife betting on the outcome? Anyway, great film noir, but few of the "standard" narrative elements. It makes the argument, at least to me, that the "visual motif" approach has more value in helping to define the style.
  11. How much of that is her over the top performance, and how much is the stilted dialogue? Agreed, it's over the top, and borderline laughable. I've always argued to the skeptics (and there are many) that it's the visuals that save this film.
  12. And if you think playing Charlie Parker is dangerous, try Ornette Coleman sometime !! P.S. - I'm married as well. That's a big reason there's multiple Duke Ellington CDs on the machine now. We just got back from the Montreal Jazz Festival and I played it safe' first indoor show? Steve Miller Band !!!
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