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Everything posted by kriegerg69

  1. > {quote:title=hamradio wrote:}{quote}"Can't Stop The Music" (1980) in the film in order to finance a musical production, they decide to throw a pay party. Good question, since that movie is a musical and the whole point of musicals is the songs are part of the story and are supposed to help advance the plot along. One could say that the songs in all musicals are plot devices. Opinions on that? ?:|
  2. This subject pops up now and then here (and just did recently)...the answer is No.
  3. Fred, filmlover is correct...in his original post he did give two film examples, and the first (NbyNW) is a non-plot device example. Niagara was the second example, and that was (filmlover did clearly describe it as such...although I misunderstood when I first read it) obviously a plot device example.
  4. Gee, chill out. You don't have to keep requoting your entire original post. People are simply giving their own opinions and interpretations regarding NbyNW. Regardless of what your intention was in citing that movie, I simply gave a further explanation as to what that music was...which is "source music".
  5. I've never seen Shawshank, but based on the description I'd say yes...it doesn't appear to be simply a piece of music playing for no reason in the scene, but is played for a reason and has meaning and relevance to the characters, who obviously react to it. It's part of the story at that point.
  6. > {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote} > You can hear "It's A Most Unusual Day" playing in the hotel lobby scene near the beginning of "North By Northwest" when Grant suddenly gets caught up in mistaken identity. After your requoting the NbyNW example, I went back and looked at your original post, and also had to think about that scene...and would have to disagree about the song being a plot device. Yes, there's an ironic use by Hitchcock of havin that song playing during that scene, but I believe the tune is playing on a radio in the lobby. That qualifies it as what is called "sourc
  7. > {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote}My first thought was for a completely different Hitchcock film - *The Lady Vanishes* in which a code is "hidden" in a musical melody. > > But perhaps the most famous use of music as a "plot device" occurs in *Close Encounters Of The Third Kind*. The whole movie builds to the use of those five musical notes as the means to communicate with The Mothership. > > Kyle In Hollywood Absolutely...CE3K is a brilliant example of music as a plot device. The five notes are used throughout the entire movie as various characters in the film ar
  8. > {quote:title=hamradio wrote:}{quote}In "Superman IV, The Quest for Peace", at the beginning of the film Lex Luthor was whistling Mozarts's Eine Kleine Nachtmusik which got on the convicts nerves. > > At the end when Superman was returning Lex to prison, the convicts greeted him by whisting Eine Kleine Nachtmusik which irritated Lex. > > Would this count as a plot device? Absolutely...for the very reason you described.
  9. > {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}No, we are getting away from plot device. > > Since I started this thread, let me make it as uncomplicated as possible: > > *The script* *would have had to mention something to do with music that was an integral part of the story.* Exactly...that's a very good point.
  10. > {quote:title=MilesArcher wrote:}{quote}there is a scene in "Some Like It Hot" where a gunman is hidden inside a huge cake. When the convention of mobsters gets to the second chorus of "For He's A Jolly Good Fellow", that is his signal to pop out and cancel the membership of George Raft and the Chicago delegation. > Would this next one qualify as a plot device? In 'The Flying Deuces", Laurel and Hardy are imprisoned and are scheduled to be shot at dawn. Stan does his best Harpo Marx imitation and plays "The World Is Waiting For The Sunrise" on the springs of his cot. Here it is:
  11. > {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}No, the L&H would be just a comedy gag, not a plot device. > > "As Time Goes By" would be more of a plot device because it is the catalyst for so many moments in the film. Isla asks Sam to play it. Not seeing Ilsa, Rick storms over and yells at Sam that he was never to play it. Ilsa later tells Rick that nobody pays "As Time Goes By" like Sam. That night, when Rick is getting drunk, he stops Sam from playing the tune he was working on and tells him to play it. > > The musical watch in "For A Few Dollars More" would count as a
  12. > {quote:title=hamradio wrote:}{quote}How about the *string effects* Jerry Goldsmith used in the movie "The Swarm" (1978) as part of the score? Whenever you hear that, it sounds like the buzzing of killer bees and one know that they are around. > > If this don't cut it, then this thread has me lost. That's a music theme , or as was pointed out, a leitmotif identifying the bees in the film...it's part of the score and is not a plot device.
  13. > {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}I wonder if the zither music in THE THIRD MAN would qualify as a plot device? I think it would because it gives us such a good feeling of being in Vienna. Regular orchestra background music wouldn't be as effective. Nope...Sorry, but it's a background score and has nothing to do with being part of the story. That's the whole point of this thread...music as a plot device....which means the music in question is actually a part of the story/plot. The other examples given here...such as the concert music and song in *The Man Who Knew Too Much* (1956)
  14. > {quote:title=hamradio wrote:}{quote}The music score is one of the 2 things that helped the low budget movie "It Lives Again" (1978). > > Very good acting the the other. Leaving either of those out of the formula would had ruined it for me. I liked that music also, adapted by composer Laurie Johnson from Bernard Herrmann's score for the first It's Alive...but it is NOT a plot device. It is a music score/background score. Has nothing to do with actually being part of the story/plot.
  15. > {quote:title=Sepiatone wrote:}{quote}You can't take too many slang terms literally. If someone says that living in Arizona is "cool", we KNOW he can't mean the climate, can we? I disagree...even slang terms have a derivation from SOMETHING, sdomewhere. The dictionary has this definition for cool: 7 slang a+ *:* very good *:* [excellent|http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/excellent]; also *:* [all right|http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allright] b+ *:* [fashionable|http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fashionable], [hip|http://www.merriam-webster
  16. Absolutely...he's a wonderful delight in that film.
  17. Domestic Total as of Aug. 3, 2012: $328,598,00
  18. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasser
  19. > {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=kriegerg69 wrote:}{quote}My reply was based on the fact that you did not explain that in your previous post, especially regarding Niagara. > Actually...I did. > > My original post: I forgot about your original post...I was referring to your previous post, which was: > {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}"It's a Most Unusual Day", I cited those as just background pieces used as punching up the scene...but in the case of "Kiss" in "Niagara," it was a plot device. Marilyn's co-conspirator in trying to kill he
  20. > {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > > I'm not talking about the technical delay...I'm talking about posts being moderated and not showing up for hours at a time. The technical delay is only a few minutes. > And I wasn't talking about moderated posts, I was talking about the technical problem that is causing delays in regular posts posting to threads. > > That's why I used the word *non-moderated* in my reply (which you quoted) to filmlover: > > "As for the delay, there's a bug in the system that is causing *non-moderated* (emphasis added) posts to be d
  21. My reply was based on the fact that you did not explain that in your previous post, especially regarding Niagara.
  22. > {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > As for the delay, there's a bug in the system that is causing non-moderated posts to be delayed and it is taking time for them to show up in the threads. I'm not talking about the technical delay...I'm talking about posts being moderated and not showing up for hours at a time. The technical delay is only a few minutes.
  23. > {quote:title=joyrider wrote:}{quote}paranoid? Uh, hardly....the truth is what it is. You know nothing about it so why make a comment like that?
  24. > {quote:title=Dargo2 wrote:}{quote}Sorry krieg ol' boy. Didn't see your mention of "Man Who Knew Too Much/Que Sera, Sera", earlier. Maybe it WAS some computer glick that caused that. Not at all....the admins simply haven't been approving my posts fast enough.
  25. Everyone please read back down through my last few replies...unfortunately, the admins have me on post moderation and I've pointed out several of these examples and given explanations already...but none of my replies have shown up yet.
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