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Posts posted by rayban

  1. The one between Sebastian Flyte (Anthony Andrews) and Jeremy Irons (Charles Ryder) in the TV mini-series version of "Brideshead Revisited" - the relationship had no sex, but it was terribly intense - the later film version changed the dynamics -



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  2. Throughout the years in the movies, there have been many, many examples of actors who became a major component in a film's success due to their youth, beauty and charm.


    And most of them have gone on to become genuine stars, too.


    It can be said of these actors that "The camera loved them."


    And they, in turn, responded without restraint to the camera.


    Whether they could act or not was never that important.


    Because what they brought to the camera - in terms of their over-all presence - was always an indelible ingredient of any film that they chose to inhabit.


    And, here is just one early example:



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  3. John Wayne was always a first-rate actor and he always possessed great charisma.


    From the moment that he appeared on screen in "Babyface" with Barbara Stanwyck, you just knew that he was an actor/star in the making.


    And, even in an early film with Joan Crawford, "Reunion In France", he shone very brightly indeed.


    I have enjoyed so many of his films over the years and I would find it very difficult to make a Top Ten List.


    I especially like the John Ford trilogy - "Fort Apache", "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon" and "Rio Grande".


    In his youth, for example, "The Long Voyage Home", he was a truly beautiful man.


    As he got older, he became "The Duke" - yes, a screen icon - but he was always in fine form.


    In this later phase of his career,  "The Cowboys" remains one of my favorite films of his.


    He was always committed to what he was doing - and that commitment was right there on the screen.


    Even, in "Brannigan", in which he tried to re-do his image, you just had to applaud his gung-ho bravery.


    For me, John Wayne will always remain the true definition of A SUPERSTAR.

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  4. I had a thought about this thread today while I was riding around town. And Ronald Reagan came to mind...twice.


    First, I think Reagan and Errol Flynn have a bromance in SANTA FE TRAIL. I would also say that Reagan and Robert Cummings have a bromance in KINGS ROW.



    Jarrod, yes and yes.


    There are just so many examples of "bromance" throughout the years on the big screen.


    One of my absolute favorites is the "bromance" between Sam Waterston (Nick Carraway) and Robert Redford (Jay Gatsby) in "The Great Gatsby".



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  5. My understanding is that Hudson did try to make the marriage work (his mother who was still alive could have been a factor)...but when he went to Europe to make A FAREWELL TO ARMS he took up with an Italian male, which means he probably wasn't trying too hard to stay married!


    There is a transcript online somewhere that quotes a detective that was hired to follow Hudson. I can't remember if he was hired by a tabloid or by Gates when she caught wind of his affair in Italy. She needed proof of adultery to obtain a favorable divorce settlement. That's likely why she was paid off...if she went into court and named a man as a third party that surely would have ended Hudson's movie career.

    Well, supposedly, Rock Hudson did have some heterosexual experiences.


    Reportedly, he might have fathered a child in his early years back home.


    And he did want to marry Marilyn Maxwell.


    He asked her to accept his homosexuality, too, and she said that she couldn't live with it.




    Mamie Van Doren claims a one-time sexual encounter with him.


    Yes, Rock Hudson might've been forced into trying to make his arranged marriage with Phyllis Gates work.


    But he could not have had an easy time of it.

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  6. Some of these gals might have thought the guys were bisexual. Isn't that what Rock Hudson's wife believed? She knew it was an arranged marriage, she worked for Rock's agent if I am not mistaken, but she also had the idea that Rock could get over liking guys and be faithful to her. He tried for awhile, but wasn't able to stay committed to her or the marriage.


    These females often wound up as collateral damage in an industry worried about maintaining certain images and careers.

    Phyllis Gates, Rock Hudson's wife, is such a liar.


    She worked for Henry Willson, the notorious gay Hollywood agent and knew that many of his clients were gay.


    Henry Willson arranged that marriage between Phyllis Gates and Rock Hudson, because he wanted to stop the spreading of gay rumors about Rock Hudson.


    Reportedly, she had to stay in the marriage for three years and then would make herself $1 million.


    She later wrote a book about her marriage that was titled, "My Husband, Rock Hudson" that was a total piece of fiction.


    I recently watched her on youtube.com doing an interview on "The Larry King Show" in which she told one lie after the other.


    She was totally unconvincing - the poor woman had never heard the word, "homosexual".




    Rock Hudson's agent, Henry Willson, took the wedding photos.

  7. "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" was a groundbreaking film in that it explored a young man's bisexuality - he was sexually involved with an older woman and an older man.


    Glenda Jackson, Peter Finch and Murray Head will always be memorable in their roles.


    The screenwriter and the director - and, of course, the actors - made it all seem so natural.


    No moaning and groaning, no carrying-on.





    Below, from left to right, Daniel, Bob and Alex.



  8. Interesting photo, Ray. I wonder if the girls on the side knew they were being used for publicity purposes. Kinda sad.


    Thanks for providing the list of reading material! :)

    Of course, they knew, Jarrod, you can see that they are only "arm candy".


    In "Tab Hunter Confidential", Tab confessed that he was crazy about Tony.


    They made such a beautiful couple.


    But, getting together for them was usually a very difficult process, because Tony was alarmed that he might be "outed" by Confidential Magazine.


    As I said, my list is merely a partial list.


    I put "Behind The Screen" at the top of the list, because that one is really an eye-opener.


    And I put "Full Service" at the bottom of the list, because that one is an eye-opener, too - but in an entirely different way.


    Tab embraced his homosexuality, but, unfortunately, Tony did not.


    As Tab said in his book, women of their day would never have thought that Tab and Tony were gay, because they were so well-mannered and polite.


    And people in the industry did not speak openly of "homosexuality".



  9. There are so many interesting books on closeted Hollywood:


    1. Behind The Screen: How Gays and Lesbians Shaped Hollywood by William J. Mann


    2. Conversations With My Elders by Boze Hadleigh


    3. Hollywood Gays by Boze Hadleigh


    4. Hollywood Lesbians by Boze Hadleigh


    5. Cary Grant by Marc Eliot


    6. Live Fast, Die Young: Remembering The Short Life of James Dean by John Gilmore


    7. The Man Who Invented Rock Hudson: The Pretty Boys and Dirty Deals of Henry Willson by Robert Hofler


    8. Tab Hunter Confidential by Tab Hunter with Eddie Muller


    9. Howard Hughes: Hell's Angel by by Darwin Porter


    10. Sal: A Biography by Michael Gregg Michaud 


    11. Full Service by Scotty Bowers


    and, of course, this list is merely the tip of the iceberg 



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  10. The title, literally translated, seems ironic and potentially 'happy.' Because to have nothing would be tragic. But it's not quite, or almost, nothing. So maybe in a way, they had it all. Right?  Okay, maybe I'm reaching with this one!

    It's like somebody came along and said to the director, "Okay we cannot have a happy gay love story.  We are going to eliminate the happy ending.  And we are going to give it a great deal of "tristesse".  This film could've had the title of the Preminger film,"Bonjour, Tristesse".



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  11. Why do you think the filmmakers opted for an unhappy ending?

    I wish that I could figure it out.


    Both Matthieu and Cedric were so hopeful for the future.


    If they had been able to set up a life together, to me, that step forward would have been the braver ending.


    But this unhappy framing device, which involves Matthieu's suicide attempt, DOES NOT GROW OUT OF THE MATERIAL.


    (In Otto Preminger's film, "Bonjour Tristesse", there was a similar framing device, but Cecile (the Jean Seberg character) deserved her unhappy ending, because she meddled in her father's love life and caused the death of his mistress.)


    (In Sebastien Lifshitz's film, Cedric simply tries to bring a young man into his life - and succeeds, too.)


    (The title means - Almost Nothing - again, it doesn't really apply to the film.)



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  12. As I said in an earlier post, "Brokeback Mountain" ranks 13th among the highest-grossing romance films of all time.


    I do think that it is regarded much more as a "romance film" than as an overtly-political statement.


    I credit that over-all perception to the highly sensitive direction and the overwhelming persuasiveness of Heath Legder and Jake Gyllenhaal.


    At the end of the film, you, as a viewer, are simply crushed.


    To this day, the Wyoming Travel Bureau gets requests to visit "Brokeback Mountain", which, of course, does not exist.



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  13. A film like "Come Undone", which explores the love affair between two adolescent men, is a very brave film in my opinion, because kids aren't fully formed individuals and often come with a lot of baggage.


    The director, who also co-wrote the screenplay, manages to give us two distinct individuals who do have a lot of problems.


    Matthieu is saddled with a mentally unstable mother, who spends her time in bed, a housekeeper who acts like his mother, an inquisitive sister and a distinct feeling that he might be "gay".


    Cedric has left home, because he can't stand his father's new live-in girlfriend and hasn't gotten over the fact that his mother abandoned him a long time ago.  He left school at an early age and is currently employed in a fast-food establishment in a resort town.


    When Matthieu and Cedric get together - Cedric is the more aggressive one - their need for each other is total and complete.


    Of course, they are always grappling with their personal problems, which do get in the way of their relationship.


    And, like kids often do, they fly off the handle and get "pissy".


    But Cedric's need for Matthieu is so overwhelming that he, Cedric, can always manage to keep them together.


    In the end, they decide to go off to Nantes together - Cedric will begin a training course and Matthieu will continue with his education (architecture).


    Now, here is where the film runs into trouble.


    There is a framing device in which Matthieu is in a hospital, has long, involved conversations with a psychiatrist and has obviously tried to kill himself.


    And, then, there is a later framing device in which Matthieu returns to the resort town where he met Cedric and attempts to hook up with an older man.


    What went wrong between Matthieu and Cedric in Nantes?


    We are never told.


    Are we to assume that they were not emotionally mature enough to sustain a loving relationship?


    That is not the evidence in the film proper.


    There is a no-holds-barred sex scene on the beach that shows us that their sexual compatibility is both real and rare.


    These two guys should never have broken up.


    I reject the film's sad, sad ending.



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  14. I admit I felt Brokeback Mountain wasn't very progressive.   Yea,  I understood the setting and the time period depicted in the film and why that would 'motivate' two gay men to marry women and have sexual relationships with them,  but to me that just re-enforced the bogus stereotyped heterosexual  theme that gay men are not really gay (or they wouldn't have sex with women),  that they cant be trusted (lie to their partner and cheap on them) and that this type of relationship just leads to pain for everyone in their circle.


    But I guess a story about two guys who know they are gay since they were teens,  fall in love with each other and go on to build a strong relationship wouldn't have been dramatic enough.   

    I have a feeling that "Making Love" from 1982 might be more your type of "gay movie".



  15. Some added thoughts on "Brokeback Mountain" - it was a huge critical and commercial success - it was made for $14 million and made $178.1 million.


    Besides its' three Academy Awards, it won the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival, the Best Picture, Best Director, Best Supporting Actor and Best Adapted Screenplay Awards at the BAFTA Awards (the British Academy Film Awards)  and The Best Picture and Best Director Awards at The Golden Globes.


    It also ranks 13th among the highest-grossing romance films of all time.




    A loss so deep that mere words wouldn't be adequate.

  16. Does anybody remember "Come Undone" or "Presque Rien"?

    It was a French-Belgian production - a haunting film really - about the love affair between two 18-year-old boys, Mathieu and Cedric, that was not meant to be.


    It was directed by Sebastien Lifshitz and starred - memorably - Jeremie Elkaim and Stephane Rideau.


    It had the feel of Otto Preminger's great film, "Bonjour Tristesse", in which a deeply disturbing event is seen from two different angles - as it happened and as it is remembered. 





    One summer of love.

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  17. Thanks for providing the photo and I mostly agree with your assessment of how the scenes played out. I do think the weaker point of the plot was having Ben fly into a rage about what Will saw. That did not seem like enough of a motive to target and kill Will, because I don't think that would have caused enough rage in Ben. Ben's real rage would have been directed at Chad for being with Abby in the first place. And if Ben was setting up Chad for the murders, it doesn't seem like Chad would have killed Will for watching him have sex with his girlfriend. Some guys kind of get off on that. So that part was a little far-fetched in my opinion.


    But with Ben going after Will, bringing up whatever feelings he might have had repressed about Will and Will's open sexuality, that is definitely an interesting part of the overall story. The writers could have explored that a bit more by having Ben act like sort of a voyeur about Will's own sex life. But I don't think that is what the writers wanted; I read comments that they wished to get rid of all the show's main homosexual storylines so offing Will simply became a part of Will and Chad's conflict. Now that the dust has settled, I don't think it was a popular decision among the show's core fans.


    And as you and I have been discussing, the writers borrowed quite a bit from those earlier Hitchcock classics. The irony is that most of today's young viewers of Days of Our Lives probably never saw those films and thought this was an original plot. Ben is supposed to be coming back in a few months for several episodes (my guess is that someone, likely Chad, visits him in the psych ward). The actor who portrays Ben comes across in my view as neither gay nor straight, sort of an in-between metrosexual, if that exists. Up until his character strangled Will Horton, there was no inclination that his character was anything but heterosexual, not at all 'abnormal' in a Norman Bates sort of way, at least not on the surface.

    No, killing off Will Horton on "Days Of Our Lives" was a very bad decision on the part of the new writing team.


    And Will Horton was a "legacy character".


    I agree with you that Robert Scott Wilson's Ben took on different kinds of coloration when he suddenly decided to kill Will Horton.


    Because, let's face it, just because Will found a tie in Ben's wastebasket could have been so easily explained with, "Yeah, that's my tie, I hate it, so I threw it out."


    I do think that he wanted to have sex with Will and "topped him", strangling him "excessively" at the same time, like the murderer in Hitchcock's "Frenzy".


    Having let "that demon" out of the closet, when Ben kidnapped Abigail and held her hostage, he let other "demons" out of the closet


    Because Abigail finally realized that fiance Ben was something other than she thought, he probably wanted her - and her baby - to die.


    Judging by the way he killed Will and then treated Abigail, he could see that he has the capacity to be a totally strange and alien human being.


    And, don't forget, that so much of the chlidhood abuse that he talked about with his estranged father had the taint of sexual abuse.


    There was also a scene where his father was obviously indulging in some very inappropriate behavior..




    Ben's father, Clyde - how warped was Clyde's relationship with his son, Ben, and, as a consequence, how warped is Ben himself?

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