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And I love her particular style of figure-the streamlined,long-waised low-slung rear shape.She didn't have the best legs, but she didn't even need to,everything else was so elegant and perfectly porportioned. I read that the other actresses were envious of her flat tummy,and that swimming and diving were her favorite exercises.I believe it,with her wonderfully long elegant line.And she was another petite beauty-5'3", I think I read. So Art Deco,and so long-lined to be a short woamn!
Barbara Stanwyck and Joan Crawford were two more petite women with that low-slung rear,long-waisted,elegant line-but no one had Norma's poise and elegance.I much prefer that style of shape to the later 50's and beyond,voluptuous in-your-face(heh heh) look. Clothes looked so much better on them,and it was just so much more elegant!
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I agree, Norma had a flirtatious glamor that no one else could touch,and that glorious chestnut hair!
I also love Veronica Lake-I was so surpised when I read that she was something like 5 feet tall! What a truly pocket Venus:)
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If he's the man responsible for those cool Hercules? Clash Of The Titans? Sinbad? movies, then heck yeah I'm a fan!
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It's such an all-around great movie! I can't believe that I always cry at the end,Natalie Wood is so wonderful in this movie, the dancing is just great, and the songs, the story, the acting,EVERYthing! Yep, I have to gush when I just finished watching it! My aunt told me that when she was in high school and the movie came out, EVERYbody was doing "West Side Story" for the class play,it was so fresh and different,and girls would always sing "I Feel Pretty" for talent competitions,LOL. But it's a great song in a great movie!
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Heh heh, that's funny, that Louis B was afraid of her-what justice, after all those other actresses he intimidated! LOL!
I'd love to see that museum,in fact, the town sounds pretty interesting:)
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Ava was such a beautiful and spirited lady-I read a story about how when they were filming "Night Of The Iguana",she used to water-ski across shark-infested waters over to where the filming was. I guess after George C Scott, a few sharks didn't faze her!
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Lest we forget-Lana Turner-she was one of the most sizzling of them all! She just burns it up in "The Postman Always Rings Twice", but I loved her best in "Those Glamor Girls" and "Zeigfeld Girl".
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Alix, I also considered "classic" to mean "vintage" in the context of "Turner Classic Movies" when I began watching this channel YEARS ago. TCM did too, as that is what they overwhelmimgly showed.Sheesh, in all this time I've never felt compelled to say anything,if I do now, it's because there at least SEEMS to be something different. When I saw "Turner Classic Movies" listed in my tv guide, I immediately knew that this channel would be devoted to showing old movies, and I was right. I didn't even have to think about,it was understood by all-me, and TCM.It was unique and special.I know, that that's what they still mostly show,I just think it's a little disingenuous for them to talk about "redefining the classics", just come out and say that they want to show newer movies for whatever reason.If it gets to be too much,it'll be over for me. I've hardly watched this week as it is.
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I taped(Footlight Parade) that movie from somewhere a long time ago, I love it too:)
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> So you were referring to the way Marion Martin was
> built? Okay, oopsie! Well, I STILL like the way
> Stanwyck was built; my idea of an ideal figure.
I like her figure too, and Joan Crawford's. I like the way they both had those "low slung" behinds(Edith Head, the designer,talks about it in her book)-they looked very Art Deco streamlined,and looked great in clothes.They could have been models for some of those Art Deco figurines!
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Ava Gardner and Hedy Lamarr were famous for their "magnolia" white skin, and Rita Hayworth wasn't considered beautiful until she was "de-ethnicised" with electrolysis of her hairline,and lightening of her hair.There were some beautiful minority women in Hollywood who never got their full due,because of the climate of the times,but it takes more than being a brunette to be "ethnic". Ava was from a Southern family of Scots Irish ancestry(as are many in the South,especially in the Carolinas, and near the Appalachian areas).Hedy Lamarr was Austrian(I've read that she may have had some Jewish blood, but I don't know).Her first husband was pro-Nazi(she divorced him).
Tallulah Bankhead has been paired with every other female in Hollywood, I tend to discount a lot of it-she would have had to have been three women to be with everyone she is said have been with,lol.
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SCTTFH,I LOVE your idea about launching another channel for strictly vintage classics-that would be a dream come true, provided my cable service would carry it! What heaven-all old movies,whether great,indifferent, or even a little stinky:),LOTS of pre-Codes and silents,lots of more obscure "assembly line" movies,etc. I wish that could happen!
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I THOUGHT I caught that when I watched "Men In White". "Animal Kingdom" was a VERY frank movie also-no abortion, but premarital sex and the wife "using" sex to get her way with the husband-the seduction scene with the champagne was very modern-I was surprised to see this frankness, even in a pre-Code,because it was played with complete seriousness and sincerity,and even in the free and easy pre-Codes,these things were often done with a wink and a chuckle, which could soften the impact. "Animal Kingdom" played it completely straight.
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I love that series, and I love the depictions of small town middle class family life, even though it was undoubtedly idealised.I always think at least that's how people wanted it to be and maybe many tried to be, or it wouldn't have been so popular.I choose to suspend my disbelief:)
On the other hand, it can be amusing to remember(which I choose to forget when watching Andy Hardy, the better to "immerse" myself in the atmosphere presented)that Mickey Rooney even at his tender age was on his way to becoming a champion ladies' man,LOL.I think one of his adventures during this time was with my favorite actress,Norma Shearer(after Thalberg died).It's very hard to imagine him with her,and him only 16!
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Heh heh, I like your turn of phrase-"holstering my sidearms", LOL-I feel like Annie Oakley, tee hee:)
I can't begin to express how much I'm looking forward to "Chance At Heaven" at the end of March-I adore that movie! And I was thrilled to see "Private Lives" for the first time tonight-Norma Shearer is my favorite actress, but I really had to push a mental picture of Una Merkel in "Gold Diggers of 1933" out of my mind-and even though the theme song from that movie is "Somewhere I'll Find You", in the back of my mind during the whole movie, I kept hearing "Mad About The Boy", LOL. Noel Coward was a genius, I think. I need to learn more about him,what wit!
It was funny to hear all the "English" characters in the movie speaking with Midwestern or trans-Atlantic accents(I'm not sure about Norma's, it never sounded Canadian to me,though she was Canadian).That reminds me of Clark Gable refusing to speak in a Southern accent in "Gone With The Wind"(and I would know, I'm as Deep South as it gets:)) Though my accent is different from Georgia or a Carolina accent-I seem to recall, in the book, Scarlett saying that it tired her Georgia ears to hear the flatter Carolina accent.(It wouldn't tire me, I love all the Southern accents,and the British ones, and the Katherine Hepburn-Bette Davis style New England ones-heck,most all accents are fun!)
I had to ramble, but it IS a LITTLE movie-related,LOL!
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I'd love to see "Hollywood Party", is it for sale on tape or DVD? If so, I'll get it and watch-it sounds like fun:)
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Patypancake--"...It's all this dreary stuff..."--EXcellent adjective! I agree! Old classic movies(since we must now distinguish,LOL)are why I don't watch as fanatically as before. I know there must be room for all tastes,but it DOES seem sometimes as if the "fluff and glamor" movies are scorned. I LIKE to see well-dressed, well-groomed women,polished men(or the "outsiders" who make the woman pant!),"society" movies,escapism,gold AND glitter. Not even necessarily "high society",sometimes the "gold digger", or the "good wife", or the "dainty but strong" girl or woman(a la Lillian Gish or Mary Pickford).Well, I know what I mean, anyway,LOL! A sampling of my favorite movies of this kind would probably enable someone more articulate than me to characterise what I mean:)
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I'm pretty much out of it, after being shown a bit of reality-being an insomaniac maybe doesn't help:) I guess I'm just afraid it's going to become a "creeping trend"-and if no one says anything, the PTB will think we like or accept it, and start showing more new movies,and then there goes the only place to see all the old stuff that we CAME here for.
I'll probably roll my eyes and be in a "snit" when thewy do it again, but I'll try to keep it to myself-unLESS it looks like they're trying to creep up on me with the new stuff.it FEELS that way, when it's in primetime,and when "Silent Sunday" is only once a week, or in the wee hours-I think maybe TCM is part of WHY I'm an insomniac,LOL.
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Heh heh, I am a movie fan, as opposed to a movie buff(I'm told that there is a distinction), so I don't know from "gaffers",LOL. I love silents, pre-Codes, Technicolor musicals,"Broadway Melody"-style musicals, most anything up to the end of WW2. I'm not crazy about much after that-when the Jayne Mansfield, Marilyn Monroe,"blond sexpot", "battle of the sexes" stuff begins.I LOVE Norma Shearer,Mary Pickford,Lillian Gish, Myrna Loy.Don't care for the "angry young man" stuff from the late Fifties-Sixties,you know "Rebel Without A Cause", that type.They're great movies, but I like escapism a bit more, I guess, though I liked some earlier "message movies"-they were done less earnestly, I suppose, so I can bear them-you know, the James Cagney "gangster" movies,that kind of thing.I like a lot of "shallow" pictures, the glamor and fashion plate stuff,especially in the silents and pre-Codes.I love "The Women",and Joan Crawford silents,with her flappers(Our Dancing Daughters,etc).I love any "jazz baby" movies, or the "sweet silents"-"Student Prince In Old Heidelburg" is a real favorite. Hey, shoot me, I like fluff-as long as it's vintage,LOL. It just wasn't so self-conscious,to me.
I like Katherine Hepburn's earlier stuff, even the hammy ones that make me cringe a little. I like the all-star extravaganzas,like "Paramount On Parade", and "The King Of Jazz"(I think it's called, I'd need to look at tape of it).I like the really early silents, Theda Bara vamping, like "A Fool There Was", or "The Sheik"(LOVE that movie! when a man could overPOWER his lady,and she fall in love with him at the end, and the women watching would SIGH, not scream,LOL).Shoot me, I'm politically incorrect:) I love the "One Reel Wonders", they're really surreal sometimes,it's great:)I ADORE all the Andy Hardy movies except the last one, Lewis Stone was great. I love Clark Gable, William Powell, Glenn Ford,Rita Hayworth,Gilbert Roland, Constance Bennett,Douglas Fairbanks(both of 'em),Greer Garson,Garbo in the silents and early talkies, and in "Camille".
Oh, now you've wound me up,LOL!
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We know that "classic" doesn't literally have to be "old", but I've been watching TCM for a LONG LONG time,and when I began, apparently my defintion of "classic" was the one they agreed with,because that's what they showed. What did most people who saw the "classic" in Turner Classic Movies" expect to see? When I saw "classic movies", I said "hurray!", because I knew that was a code word for vintage movies-good,bad, or indifferent. It's what TCM meant by classic also, because that's all they showed.
OK, I'll be realistic and try to accept that only a small percentage(even though in primetime, it seems more) of so-called "modern classics" are shown,but it's also realistic to agree that my(and TCM's original) defintion of "classic" is what drew most of us in the first place. I would never have become a fan of TCM for movies such as "Sleepless In Seattle" or "Moonstruck", and that's not what they meant either.
I'll accept that "the sky isn't falling" if TCM shows a FEW newer movies(even if they ARE showing blocks of them in primetime), if they'll be honest and admit that these "modern classics" aren't what they or I meant by "classic" when this network began. That's why they keep telling us "a movie doesn't have to be old to be classic"-because we'd already agreed that classic, in this case, meant older.
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I COMPLETELY agree with everything you stated, and would only add that I wish more of the pre-Codes and post-Code Thirties and silents were shown in the daytime,and more "run of the mill" silents(I love to watch them to get a sensibility of the fashions and manners and mores of that time,it's not always about the big historic picture for me),instead of focusing on the "greats".I'd love to see more of the little "society films" and "teacup dramas",where maybe the acting or plot isn't for posterity, but the film is interesting for the glamor or styles.And to beat a very dead horse,ditch the "modern classics", I'd rather see a not-so-acclaimed vintage movie than a newer movie that's hardly had TIME to called a "classic". The "classic" in Turner Classic Movies never meant the "Citizen Kanes" of movie history, it meant the silent or silver screen era of movies to me, and it used to mean that to TCM. I also agree on the "politically correct" aspect-we know to take this stuff with a grain of salt, and still enjoy the movie or One Reel Wonder on its surface.I'm holding my breath for the day "Gone With The Wind" is no longer shown, I have the DVD, but it won't be the same.
I'd like to see more of the everyday silents that people enjoyed back then, ones that weren't groundbreaking or historically important,but that people enjoyed then for the glamor or style aspect,or as a vehicle for some glamorous star,even though the plot was frothy or the acting merely adaquete.Those would be fun(such as, "Why Change Your Wife", a veritable fashion show for Gloria Swanson). I'd love to see those showcase films, like "Paramount On Parade",where the stars are featured in a series of skits and sketches.
But thanks to TCM for showing "Chance At Heaven" at the end of March!!!!
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Classicsfan1119, you stated that nicely, and I HAVE been in a bit of a snit myself,and what you say is true-it's just hard to remember the big picture when I turn on TCM of a holiday night in primetime hours,expecting to while away the evening with some lovely B&W classic,or a Technicolor musical,and I see-"Sleepless In Seattle"---"Moonstruck"-etc. So being an insomniac, I waited up for "Holiday", and then "Forsaking All Others"(reading in the meantime,I HATE modern movies),and when they came on, I felt like I was watching TCM again:) As far as Silent Sundays,I guess it just FEELS like it gets bumped many times,more than it actually does when I see it on paper.I know I'm only griping and venting,but we fans love our TCM, I've been loyal for many many years(my cable company has carried it forEVer),and feel very "propietary" towards TCM and its classic format,probably because it IS the only place to see movies of this kind,and we don't want it diluted.
So, sorry for the wild ranting:)
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OOps, Ok, I'll do so:)
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...TCM is FINALLY going to show "Chance At Heaven"!!! I've wanted to see this movie again forEVer, I first saw it many many years ago on that OTHER "classic" movie channel(which is classic no more), and I loved it-I've begged TCM to show it for the longest, and they're going to in march!!! Yeeaaayyy!!!! I'll be waiting with bated(but minty fresh,LOL) breath!
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Umm, I bet you all knew that "woamn" was supposed to be "woman",LOL. And I was referring to Norma Sherarer in the first paragraph of my latter post! But she's still my top pick for beauty,even though I can't type:) That English/Scottish look-fair,light blue eyes,sharp aristocratic profile,"well-bred" look-there's just something more subtly appealing about it to me,more than the more blatantly "sexy" or flashy look. She looks like a thoroughbred,especially next to some of the "truck-driver queen" beauties,hehe.