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Thanks, Mr Dash. I loved Hobson's Choice, John Mills was brilliant. Remember him saying: 'by gum'? I don't believe TCM showed it in the last two years.

I understand, filmlover. My comments on 'control' are directed not at you but at Cinemascope who has been having more fun than any arsonist in all the bile posts she has been spewing out in her attempt at controlling this board. A similar tactic to someone else who is no longer here. Point a stick and then feign indignant innocence when retaliation ensues. Hypocritical at best.

Right, it's just about you wanting to live and let live. At least don't be a hypocrite. You don't like posts that don't agree with yours. Period. WE'RE simply suspicious -- who's WE? There you go, proving that you think you belong to a club of rarified TCM worshippers whose sole mission is to keep all the naysayers at bay. Hypocrite. Feel free to dislike it all you, and at the same time let anyone who agrees with them to post as THEY wish. And I'm thrilled to death that you are happy. And there are those here, believe it or not, who have the same right to post if they are NOT happy. SOME of us -- some of you in your little circle you mean, where everyone is grateful to Time Warner and wants all the posts here to be happy 24X7? Poor Cinemascope, still can't admit you want to be king of the world, eh? It would be refreshing if you were at least honest. so that they don't become saturated with troll-like "sky is falling - TCM is the next AMC" threads. That's not control, that's simply exercising the right to voice our opinion. Reread your last sentence and then reread your next to last sentence. Those who want to complain about Time Warner and TCM also have the right to voice their opinion and that includes posts saying that TCM is the next AMC, well.......here, I'll type really slowly for you..................... they.have.the.right.to.voice.their.opinion. And those in your club trying to 'restore some balance' ...here, I'll type it really slowly for you again................... are.trying.to.control.the.board.

Well said otterhere. The point is still being argued by those who think they can control these boards, and yes it is about control. You who want to valiantly label those who dislike TCM -- and sorry, your argument about an arsonist won't wash, I am no arsonist but there were many here quick to label my posts 'Chicken Little' -- as 'arsonists' simply because they may indeed be trolls are missing the point. Yes, those who post a negative thread and then don't bother coming back to defend their opinion may indeed be another of the ids that Snarfie is fighting, but sorry, even they have the right to post here and then leave if they like. Let me ask all you starry eyed TCM defenders something -- if an arsonist came here and said 'oh my god isn't TCM the best thing since toilet paper' and then left, would there be this hue and cry? No, you all would be defending that person against the others, most likely me, who would come on and call that 'arsonist' a rose colored TCM sycophant. Now wouldn't you? Yeah, thought so. So get off the moral high horses and admit you are trying to control this board. And there are still some of us who don't like it.

Thanks, Chris, as I am glad you are here. I am just dismayed when a recent poster resorts to calling those with an opposing opinion 'idiots'. It is she whom I view as so pompous as not to allow another poster the right to voice their opinon. We've had a few of these types of posters here in the past and some have even been driven away by them, more's the pity. Judas Priest, there are moderators at this moment deleting contrary posts on a FOOD board, can you imagine? If some...okay, me...get too vocal in their displeasure with a restaurant, our posts are being deleted. Television Without Pity redux. So you don't think Big Business is responsible for the dumbing down of the viewing public, a la Deal Or No Deal, in an effort to keep them from thinking about the lack of media shots of the incoming flag draped coffins? I do. I think it is all related, and that the American Deal Or No Deal braindead viewing public is stupid enough to fall for it. But I also don't think Oswald acted alone -- someday, probably when I am dead, I will be proven right! All you youts out there, remember you read it here first. Oswald did not act alone. As to A&E and BRAVO, sure you have outgrown the demographic they court, but keep in mind that they only a very few years ago had glorious Brit reruns and even a lobotomized chimp is more intelligent than the demographic they switched to, i.e., the T&A SPECIAL CHALLENGE! group. The other side? No, just a very few who began with marylou what's her name and continue with Cinemascope what's her name in trying to dictate to one and all on the board how they should think and how they should post. I no longer have TCM, but I'll be damned if I let Nazi dictators like her tell the more classy people here how to post. Or drive those decent genteel people away. Unfortunately for her, I am neither classy or genteel, so her dictatorial tactics don't work on me. And I am glad to face her and all the trolls here down in an effort to defend the only board left in Internet-ville that is uncensored and unmoderated. Nope, also didn't mean to imply your group is as lemmings to the cliff. It is just the board dictators that I have a problem with. I want an attitude of 'live and let live' here. It worked for a few days, and then Cinemascope began her Nazi threads. Thank you again for your kind words. It's going to take a silver bullet or a wooden stake through the heart to shut me up, you can be sure of that. Speaking of which, what WAS that crap that Gary Oldham made re Dracula? Not on TCM, of course, which I don't have, but on some other channel. LOL, Keanu Reeves had some godawful accent and Oldham had some bizarro hairdo. Bad stuff. I had to turn it off very quickly.

Mr Dash, don't be dissuaded in your mission. There are those here who will hear nary a contrary word against their beloved TCM, they label everyone who dares to post an opinion counter to them a 'troll'. You sir are not a troll, that is obvious. You make several good points about TCM, and make no mistake about it, they ARE different from the channel they were two years ago. Their prime time lineup includes crap movies and they seem more than ever interested in courting a broader dynamic. Witness TCM Underground, if it still survives. You are quite correct in your observation that niche programming has all but bitten the dust. Thanks to the conservative right that controls the airwaves, what you have is cookie cutter mindless dimbulb programming like American Idol and SPECIAL CHALLENGES! that have even oozed their way onto the Food Network. It's disgusting. Yes, AMC is filth, as is SPIKE (this was formerly the country channel, can you believe that?) and MTV has sunk to levels previously undreamed of. And people actually thought music videos were Armageddon! Hah! At any rate, TCM still IS the last bastion of decent programming. How it is managing to convince the moronic suits that pass as network executives to continue to run classic black and white movies is beyond me. I fully expect TCM to splinter off some day into TCM #1, #2, and #3, making those who want the true classics to pay more money. I don't know if you've been reading my posts, but I no longer have TCM. I decided to boycott the crooks at Cablevision who may or may not be in collusion with TCM in trying to force their subscribers into digital cable ahead of the mandated date of 2009 put in place by the crooks in the FCC and the crooks in government. Have I bitten off my nose to spite my face? Possibly. At any rate, after being screwed out of many classic movies by the crooks at AMC, and after the idiots at Cablevision finally got TCM on their lineup only 8 years after they had begun programming (!), I began to tape old movies like a madwoman and after two years of TCM, can happily say I have enough movies taped to last me a while. My long belabored point, Mr Dash, is to advise you to ignore the pompous gits behind the curtain. They will try to stifle your opinions and censor your thoughts, but you go right on going on if you have something to say about TCM, good or bad. I was known as 'Chicken Little' by these same people for my similar posts, so if you want to accept that now discarded mantle, by all means you are welcome to it. Without SOMEONE observing that the Emperor has no clothes, all you have left are a bunch of Stepford citizens thinking everything is wonderful in La La Land. Imagine if the world were only made up of shiny happy people? Perish the thought. There are many, many good people here, irregardless of the vocal few dictators who will try to tell you how to think and how to post. Pay no attention to them. Rock on, Mr Dash.

Good questions, bobhopefan1940. One of my favorite era of films, and only TCM brought it to us. Like who's your favorite leading man in pre-codes? -- Warren William. Leading lady? -- Ann Harding. Of all five years, which contains the most of your favorite movies? -- wow, good question, not sure. 1932 I would say. Who's your favorite pairing? -- Warren William and me. What's your favorite pre-code quote? -- her undergarments were made of stainless steel, said by Basil Rathbone in The Last Of Mrs. Cheyney. I don't remember why, but this quote took me completely by surprise. What about a moment that you think really defines the era of pre-codes? -- probably Warren William losing out on the girl to some namby pamby guy. What actor/actress do you think attributed the most to the pre-codes? -- Warren William. What is your favorite pre-code musical? -- can't think of one. And... What is your favorite pre-code of all time? -- Skyscraper Souls. *sigh* me, pick me.

That's it, thanks johnm001.

Absolutely. Satchmo Armstrong threw the Beatles out of first place in 1964. I was there, I remember, I was shocked! Who was BUYING this guy's recording of 'Hello Dolly'???? Imagine that happening today? But not everyone tuned in and dropped out. I remember liking Bobby Darin, a lot, and I loved Como's 'It's Impossible'. I may have been an exception, I don't know, but while I dutifully screamed during the Beatles' songs -- why, I now wonder? -- I also liked the baritone guy on The Lawrence Welk show. Can you IMAGINE? I had to sit through the LWS, but actually came to like baritones -- realllly deep baritones I think they're called something else -- and still do to this day. mrsl, I missed the Fabian, Avalon and Elvis stuff, I didn't get into music until Feb. 9th, 1964, literally. But thankfully, growing up in the house I did, and probably getting influenced by Ed Sullivan who had the Beatles on at the same time he had Satchmo and Darin, I can gratefully say that I saw the best of both worlds. Of course, that probably led to me being a near- and not a full blown-hippie in 1968, but oh well. As Bob Hope said, Thanks for the Memories.

Snarfie, do you have any of the achingly beautiful young stars of Wuthering Heights, Oberon and Olivier? It was one of the first movies I ever saw and I had never seen two such beautiful people. Thanks.

It's too bad some people are pompous enough to even start such a thread.

Wow. Mae Murray is a bit too vampy for me, but holy cow Leila Hyams was gorgeous. Wow.

It's interesting to be reading all this hair-splitting, but the fact remains: I usually don't like when a charcter breaks out into song. I hate Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald movies -- hands: are those musicals? -- and yet there are exceptions. I loved the South Park 'blame Canada' movie, and Cartman & Co. burst out into song. I loved Rocky Horror and The Wizard Of Oz too. So who really cares what the definition is? If they break out into song and make me want to hurl, as Dick Powell and his treacley ladies usually did, then it's a musical and I hate it. If Tim Curry makes me want to cry when he sings 'I'm Going Home' then it's a musical and I love it. Howzat for an explanation?

Thanks Megg. Other than Television Without Pity, whose moderators go INTO people's posts and edit them if they are not on topic, the worst other offender is a board run by and for senior citizens. I find that hilarious, that they are the least tolerant. Guess it's because I was an 'almost' hippie in 1968................ peace. I just thought of another couple of musicals which I like and typically, they are a little left of Seven Brides in weirdness -- Pennies From Heaven (the Bob Hoskins mini series version) and The Singing Detective.

Wait, wait, wait. Mayhaps I'm not ready for the rocking chair just yet. Are Bit Comet and VLC Media Player similar to what you're talking about?

Wow, Snarfie, I haven't a CLUE as to what you're talking about with the screen captures. No WONDER I have seen so many good ones all over the Internet -- so they're taken right off the computer. How very cool. Dang, and look at me thinking they were taken with a camera from a television. Yes, Paul Picerni was imo the good looking one, went by the name of Lee Hobson. Yeah, lol, he looked like a Lee! Guess they didn't want a '****' in their group fighting the bad guys. Double wow, hold onto those stations and don't exhale or they might discover SPECIAL CHALLENGES! (as Food Network did) or faux reality television or HOWIE MANDEL AND HIS CAVALCADE OF GENIUSES! Burns and Allen AND retro-commercials???!! Yes, everything I had heard about TV Land before I finally got it and by then it was crap. Don't let them know we're talking about them -- but do they program all through the night? No moronic infomercials, no loud screaming idiot selling blue water or whatever that idiot sells? If they show The Molly Goldberg show you'll know you died and went to heaven. No, it wasn't that good a show but it was gorgeously ethnic and probably oh so politically incorrect. How I miss whatever station it was that programmed all these shows back when Cablevision wasn't a greedy thug. Oh, and if you haven't thought of it already, tape, tape, tape, and then tape some more. Or whatever it is you call it when you tape to a DVD or whatever it is you have. And when you have the one where Gracie is helping the kids put on a show and does her impersonation of Sophie Tucker with the handkerchief in an effort to teach a young girl how to do it, please include a 'screen shot' here? Thanks!

Wishful thinking, Ayres. Since there's no way in heck that I'm going 'up there' and SINCE I fully expect to be Warren's posthumous girlfriend, I'm hoping he's keeping a seat hot for me! *sigh* That face!!!! Thank you.

Oscar Homolka in Sabotage, wherein he blew up Sylvia Sydney's brother.

How's this for having a memory about some things but forgetting most??.... In one of the episodes of my beloved Honeymooners, Alice says to Ralph (in an attempt at buttering him up to get a television) I call you killer because you slay me. Ralph's retort: And I'm calling Bellevue because you're nuts! Good stuff. That was it, Cat Ballou! Oh boy, see what I mean, it was Alex Karras as Mongo (mongo!) in Blazing Saddles who knocked down the horse. I think. On Brigadoon, I'm not sure, it's been a hundred years since I've seen it. But wasn't it a fantasy type musical, about a Lost Horizon type locale, only with music? LOL, now someone will tell me it WAS Lost Horizon with music. Honestly, mrsl, the color blinds me and whenever I see cow poke male or female kicking up their heels, it makes me run screaming from the room. I hate rodeos too, but only because they are cruel to the animals. Oh, and I'm in complete agreement with you on the wandering path these threads take, that's why I hesitated but brought up the subject nonetheless elsewhere. It's what we're all about, bring up a subject and then meander wherever one wishes. The way it's done at other places not run by Nazis is to just submit a post that says, 'on topic'. That is a polite way to remind others that we have all gone far afield. However, if one wants to meander still, so what? This isn't Communist Russia, and hell, even Russia isn't Communist Russia! And see, THIS thread has gone far afield, thanks in part to me. Sooooooo, to answer the original question of the thread....yes, no, maybe, sometimes, and other times yes if they don't make my eyes and ears bleed.

That was it, Ayres, Towering Inferno! Thanks, spoken with class and quality. I wish more here would take a lesson from you. The boards are for the most part again a wonderful place to visit, but if all could just live and let live and realize that posts and threads take on a life of their own AND that other people hate the very same actors and movies that they love, often without good reason, then it would be a near perfect board. Oh, and I again thank you for that post. I apologize for using your excellent post as an example for the 'class' here on how disagreements SHOULD be handled. I raise my hat to Astaire for having a fan such as you. Think Warren is looking up at me, happily, with a smile on his face?

True, Ayres. But as perfectly put as your post was, and it was, I still don't like Astaire and still think his rug entered the room before he did in Airplane! or whatever god awful movie he was in when he was elderly. What I am seeing again on these boards is a plethora of 'how CAN you say that about' insert actor's name or movie here posts and while okay for snarky debate, the person who is the initiator of these types of posts should not reach around and pat themselves on the back for being an instigator. Everyone has the right to their opinion here, and your post was a perfect example of HOW to explain why a person likes someone that so many others dislike. At the same time, I still have the right to just post: I hate Astaire (which I don't) or I love Lizabeth Scott (which I do). But you get my point, I am sure.

LOL, how excellent Ayres! Thank you, now I can see his 'type'. Funny, since I have a picture of my mother from around 1947 where she is a dead ringer for Ingrid Bergman, so he surely married against 'type'. Wow, they were hotsy totsy, weren't they????

sugarpuss, you just reminded me of some others I liked in addition to the Glenn Miller Story. I liked the Al Jolson biography with Larry Parks. Do musical biographies count as musicals? I tend not to think so, since they don't have the damned seven brothers breaking out into technicolor dance for their seven brides. Ick.

See? Different strokes for diff folks here...and WHAT is still with all the 'I can't understand how ANYONE can say X about a movie or I can't understand how ANYONE doesn't like X' posts? Enough already, we've had enough of those and I don't mean you mrsl...I hate Oklahoma, South Pacific, Seven Brides (oh my dog how I hate Seven Brides!), Showboat, My Fair Lady and don't forget Sound of Music. As noted, I would have to have my eyelids propped open with extraordinary electronic devices a la Clockwork Orange in order to watch any of the above in their entirety. Now, I like Brigadoon and Rocky Horror and Wizard Of Oz, so there are a few musicals I like if not love - Wizard Of Oz is my favorite movie of all time. I also saw some movie with Lee Marvin and Alex Karras punched a horse (animal cruelty anyone?) and I wouldn't watch that again without the aforementioned devices either. Since I have never seen any of the movies you have mentioned, I guess I am in the 'I Hate Musicals' category.

Actually retrocrusher I think Tom Waits has come out with a new 'album' (I refuse to call it anything else) and Leonard Cohen -- this is so cool -- is preparing to play right near our veteran video erudite, not so vecchiolarry!