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Interesting question. I very, very much enjoy the Charlie Chan movies, but of course it is glaring that an American and a Swedish actor played the leading role, with Asian actors relegated to second string roles.
In addition, blacks in the movies were not only given odd, one syllable names, but were listed in the credit with similar names! I have never found out why they allowed the credits to be listed as such, without their given names. Someone here probably knows?
However, most minorities and many women were treated with little to no respect in movies of this era, and I put it down to the mores of the time. It is history, no more, no less. I don't believe in the censorship that many today would perpetrate on books and movies, but that is my opinion.
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>What ever happened to deendaisy? I don't think anyone liked b/w more than that guy.
LOL, thanks mutinyetc. Actually got away for a few days (but had the VCR set nonetheless!)...and you are correct (although I'm a 'she'), I am absolutely bonkers about black and white movies. This was one reason why my head almost exploded when Turner 'colorized' the b/w's, in addition to the fact that he was tampering with history. Fortunately, I think that 'enhancement' has gone by the wayside.
Oh, yes, the atmosphere of the old b/w's, the mood, the lighting, it's a feast for the eyes. I go beyond the story when I watch a movie, I watch for continuity errors, I notice the clothing, and the lighting, and the b/w's somehow pulled me in to the scene before me. Color movies appear to keep me at a distance.
Now, I realize this is an emotional reaction on my part, but nonetheless I can't say enough about the film noir genre or, as I've said before, the shadows from the venetian blinds in many early movies of the 1930s. Or the stark striped couches that were luminescent. Heck, I even appreciate the opportunity to visualize the color when a character refers to a woman's red dress. So, yes, I am not impartial enough to be coherent about b/w movies, so just color me a fan (I know, groan...).
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keith, congratulations on being young enough to be part of the mobile, forward thinking generation that embraces and overuses the new technology. Yes, I am a Luddite and am proud of it. But I am still a Luddite that appreciates XP and Google, along with indoor plumbing.
Sorry, but your attitude mirrors that of the 'younguns' at the corporation for which I work, those who are young enough to put the company on their resume and move on after 5 years, all the while conspicuously consuming and erecting McMansions and lives of consumerism. More power to them. At the same time, they decry those who are over 50 and were naive enough to believe a corporation which made unwritten...as in no contract...promises and gave their life's blood, sweat and tears to a job that demanded their very best. This corporation then turned around and changed the rules during the game, ripping the heart out of the pension and the retiree medical benefits.
But no matter, I would imagine you believe as many do, that we all should have looked out for ourselves. Again, more power to you who do that today.
Finally, to get back on topic, no I don't like many of the technological advances, they are evidence of a selfish, 'me' society that thinks only of itself. Look anywhere, on the streets, on the roads, and you will see people walking or driving with no regard to those around them. Rude, ill mannered people who think nothing of flipping the bird or having their phones ring at a concert.
No connection to DVDs you say? THINK again. And perhaps respond without hurtful, inapporpriate little jabs.
Thank you, TCMprogrammer, for the opportunity to go off topic with this response. As I've said before, TWoP, a site which I loathe, would have put me on probation by now.
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Hmmmm, thought my very favorite soap opera-ish tearjerking Bette Davis film was included, but it wasn't! Just realized that 'Now, Voyager' is a guaranteed three hanky movie, if you are so inclined...by the way, 'Terms of Endearment' makes me retch...especially the last line, "Why reach for the moon, when we have the stars?". SOB!!!!!
Let us know what you think of 'Penny Serenade'.
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broadwaylo, you're quite right. It *was* perfect. I wonder if they knew it when making it, or as happened so much back then, it was 'just' another movie....Cary and Loretta were sooooo beautiful.
feaito, I sure would like to see 'Born To Be Bad', hope TCM screens it.
On Christmas movies, Alastair Sim's is my favorite version as well. I've also always liked 'Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol', it's pretty much a cartoon version of Sim's version and the songs, to me, are quite nice.
Anyone else like 'One Magic Christmas' or 'The Nightmare Before Christmas'?
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Hmmm...'Penny Serenade', for sure. Some offbeat ones...'The Time of Their Lives' with Abbott and Costello, and 'Edward Scissorhands'. Even 'Shrek' had me bawling.
I know there are more, especially the oldies but goodies, but I cannot think of them right now. It depends on the mood I am in, heck, even 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show' gets to me when Tim Curry sings "I'm going home".
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Sorry, another voice from the Peanut Gallery. I can't say I am at all interested in the new technology either. I won't sign up for HDTV and I won't buy a DVD player, recorder or otherwise. I have far too many tapes to begin thinking about converting or replacing them with DVDs. I'm not interested in extra footage, deleted scenes, or conversations with the actors.
Heck, I only just got a CD player, and I think that technology has been out over a decade. I won't get a Palm Pilot, a Blackberry, or many other of the new 'indispensable' technological items.
I like vinyl records, VHS VCRs, heated seats in cars, computers, cassette playing radios, and people who don't whip out cellphones as if their latest thought is so important that it must be shared with the world. And they do so at a decibel level that it usually is.
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LOL, hassan, they also stuck in a bleech movie of Ronnie's while I thought I was taping 'Chasing Yesterday' last night (you know how hard it is to program 12:15a.m.?, is it today, is it yesterday, is it tomorrow?). I happened to be awake, and surfing, and had to shut down the VCR, didn't want to waste tape on Ronnie boy.
Seems, according to their schedule, that they're not pre-empting 'Inspector General' today for Ronnie. Enough is too much, after all.
No matter, who am I to quibble? Like a junkyard dog, I am grateful for anything TCM does send out.
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Yes, and a segment that is still with me, although Rod Serling wasn't happy with the show. She paid a man for his eyes, understanding the vision would only last a short while, and there was a blackout!
Shades of O Henry.
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Yes, I think it was Hays who brought his charming little personally biased views to the movie industry, and they were accepted carte blanche, it appears.
I love the early 1930s movies, with their risque costumes and colorful dialogue. Not sure if it was at these boards where I talked about Basil Rathbone saying to a character who said he 'admired' Norma Shearer in 'Last of Mrs. Cheyney':
I am paraphrasing..."any man who admits to 'admiring' a woman is insinuating that her underclothes are made of linoleum".
I LOVE that line, just love it. Heck, it wouldn't even make it past today's censors! Then again, never mind, most of the audience wouldn't 'get' it.
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Not sure I am following, but an interesting segue (I think it's a segue), lococardinal. What immediately came to mind was Tim Curry in 'Rocky Horror'. It was the first time I'd seen him, and thought he was quite, ahem, pretty in his corset and makeup. I was QUITE disappointed when I saw him a capella!
Also, in 'Priscilla Queen of the Desert', the men were more than attractive, they had me beat by a mile.
Funny thing about all this too, my husband can NOT stand to watch these types of movies, yet I adore them. Are women more empathetic to men dressing as women than vice versa? I know I get torn up when watching documentaries on men who go through sex change operations, but I have to watch them solo.
Image? Yes, Hollywood is indeed all about image. But it seems that the more independent the movie, the more flexible the image. Another reason I admire character actors so much more than 'stars'.
Another interesting nugget. Elaine Stritch, who is someone else I admire, had a special on HBO last night. She shared (I'm assuming it's true), that she was about to marry Ben Gazzara when she fell for Rock Hudson.
Yes.
Rock Hudson.
Now, apparently he didn't share his 'secret' with her and she turned down a proposal from Ben. And she shared with the audience what a LOUSY decision that was.
Interesting, no? That he went to SUCH lengths to disguise his true self. How sad.
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It was a funny movie, in the vein of 'Happy, Texas' another outrageous movie on the subject of child beauty pageants (and other stuff!). I very much enjoy those types of movies, a recent one on dog shows with Eugene Levy was a good example.
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I've also read that Bankhead was a pip offscreen as well. A very emancipated, progressive female. A southern belle who gave everyone hell, apparently.
Good for her.
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brackenhe, you're 1000% correct. He was indeed blessed, for from day one until his death, he was gorgeous.
Fascinating to watch in terms of the nuances he brought to his performances, as well. In watching some of 'Bachelor and the Bobby Soxer' yesterday, of which I am not enarmored due to Shirley Temple, I focused on him during the scene at the malt shop where Shirley's young boy friend is saying that he sanctions her relationship with Cary. He has many asides and doubletakes that are absolutely priceless, and if one isn't watching him, they would miss it.
He perfected many of these mannerisms in 'Bringing Up Baby' and 'Arsenic and Old Lace' and there are very, VERY few other actors who can pull this off so (seemingly) effortlessly and naturally. He was amazing.
It is indeed an indictment of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences that other actors have received their highest honor and Grant was only given a token award.
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Sorry, ML, yes, 'Houseboat' was the movie I had in mind. Only watched part of it, didn't see 'Pride and the Passion' at all. It was the stills TCM showed on their documentary recently...the lust fairly jumped out of the photos.....phew, hope they were printed on asbestos paper!
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moviejoe, re Norma Shearer, did you catch the homage to her in May? It was about her Adrian dresses that I was going on and on ad nauseum in another thread. What a gorgeous woman. Please tell me you caught the incredible dialogue between Basil Rathbone and Norma in 'Last of Mrs. Cheyney', or her delightful chemistry with Robert Montgomery in 'Private Lives' and 'Strangers May Kiss'? Re another thread, I imagine these were 'B' movies, but they were wonderful, simply wonderful. Thank you TCM.
I agree on tcmprogrammer. Not to go on about it, but anyone who doesn't believe what a crackerjack employee of TCM he (she?) is should have been a poster on the old A&E boards, or wander over to (careful if you do) Television Without Pity.
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lococardinal, I'd have to say that TCM is the ONLY place you're going to see charming b/w 'B' movies from the 1930s and 1940s. If they're not, then Costco hasn't been getting lots of my money for tapes since Cablevision started carrying TCM, only ten years after the fact. And they have!
I've been a taping fool since the beginning of the year, thank you TCM. And every single movie has been a black and white gem (my preference, I admit, MY preference) with sometimes 'B' actors (Warren William, I love you), and always atmospherically gorgeous.
No, I don't think they're all classics, look especially for those shown in the wee hours of the night. You won't be sorry!
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Good answer, Sandy!
But as to Gable, I just saw an offbeat little movie, 'Strange Interlude', based on a play by Eugene O'Neill. The 'thinking' of the characters which is played out loud is slightly disconcerting, or was to me on first viewing.
At any rate, Gable had no moustache in the beginning of the movie, and did in the latter part, which showed him as an older man. I'd be interested in hearing other reactions to this movie.
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How funny, ML, we were posting at the same time, with polar views on Loren and Grant. Yup, they did have a steamy affair before shooting began, but I couldn't stand them together in the movie, and apparently they couldn't stand each other during the shooting!!!
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*sigh* Leading ladies I wanted to be, so I could kiss Cary:
Irene Dunne..that dialogue, that interplay!
Ingrid Bergman..that kiss!
Loretta Young..that heat, can an angel get physical?!
Carole Lombard..heck, I'm not sure that Carole isn't even hotter than Cary, not that there's anything wrong with that!! Brilliant actress, her life cut short too soon.
Bleech to his on-screen chemistry with Sophia Loren, funny that they were an 'item' in real life, although kaput when the movie began.
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Wow. tcmprogrammer, thanks. LOL, yes, someone here mentioned that, to log in "immediately" on accessing the site, rather than trying to read and then log in. It does work, temporarily.
But THANK you for pursuing the problem and getting back to me with an answer. Yes, I may be the junkyard dog of the Internet and an oldtimer when it comes to manners of current day service people, and may be overreacting, but you have no idea how nice it is for someone like yourself to pursue an issue and get BACK to the person with an answer. In this day and age. On the Internet.
I thank you most wholeheartedly. I congratulate you on your integrity and decency, I wonder if TCM knows what a rare commodity you are in today's environment of slipshod customer service????
And please also extend my thanks also to your tech wizard, I look forward to the new login system.
AND, since you are a real, breathing, decent human being who delivers on inquiries, can you tell me if TCM owns 'Stairway to Heaven' and 'Beyond Tomorrow', two movies I would like to suggest TCM program?
Thanks again.
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moirafinnie14, a kindred spirit! Don't get me started on trip wires and Tarzan movies. Amen to the bad guy who hurts any animal getting it before the final reel.
But what a funny topic. Thought I was alone in my amazement at women with regular jobs being able to afford gorgeous apartments with all kinds of stipred chintz couches and Orry Kelly dresses!
Other things I've learned:
--anyone can spend as much time as they want in a diner, no one is pushing them for their table,
--no one ever 'lawyers up' when a cop starts to interrogate them, not in 1930, not today,
--not too many people ask to see identification from a stranger at their front door and cops are invited in, noooo problem,
--hitting a woman was okey dokey in the 1930s,
--no matter HOW well adjusted the women or how financially secure she is or how seemingly intelligent she is or how gorgeous she is, she just HAS to have a man before the end of the movie. Without one, she's nuttin,
--no ONE, and I mean, NO one, did number two during the 1930s and 1940s,
--there were NO minorities at parties, businesses, train stations, etc., during most of the 1930s. Heck, even in 'The Apartment', there was only one black guy.
And given all this?
I still loved the movies from the 1930s and the 1940s more than the movies of today.
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Thanks everyone! I'll try those out.
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LOL, ML, you're not impressed with Leo? He is most assuredly impressed with himself, make no mistake about it. I was willing to give him credit for his accomplishments, but when he comes here to bash TCM, one of the LAST bastions where we the usually intellectually insulted audience can get old movies without commercials, he is quite unlikely to find allies. IF he doesn't like TCM, why exactly doesn't he go elsewhere?
TCM programmer, from a poster who has seen the indifference of A&E and AMC, and the downright Orwellian censorship of TWoP, your openness in admitting to facts is completely breathtaking, and not an occasion to be taken for granted. Whether anyone here realizes it or not, you do NOT owe us an explanation. You work for a company, and companies can do as they damned well please.
IF those who frequent these forums are naive enough to believe that the corporations behind most media outlets are human beings, they have another guess coming. These corporations are in it for the MONEY, people, the 'bottom line' is all to Time Warner and Rupert Murdoch and the like.
When TCM programmer comes here to offer an explanation, it is QUITE out of the ordinary. So as much as I like cynicism and sarcasm, an attack on TCM programmer is uncalled for. Thank you TCM p., for your response.
MEANwhile, I cannot watch any of these jungle pictures, or any of the old Westerns, for that matter, due to the cruelty imposed on the animals in that time period. The studios in that time considered animals disposable commodities, and as a vehement animal lover, I cannot abide watching elephants who have probably been mistreated or, in the case of Westerns, horses that were tripped by wire or shoved off cliffs.
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cooperlane! Since you mentioned it, how DOES 'Rosemary's Baby' end? I deliberately bought the video, since I had never seen on televison the ending I had 'heard' about, i.e., where the baby's eyes were shown to match the devil's. Now, even the video didn't have this ending.
Did it or did it NOT end in the way I've described??? Thanks so much.
I'd have to think about this question, but off the top of my head, one of my favorite endings is 'The Time of Their Lives', when Horatio (Lou Costello) gets to heaven, after untold efforts to do so, and the gates are closed for Washington's Birthday. Ods bodkins...brings a tear every time.