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tcmviewer, Warren William? MY Warren William...yes, I have the only 21st century crush on him, correct? So I claim all rights to him, lol. Lone Wolf, never heard of it! LOVE to see it, and him. tcmprogrammer, see above. Thank you if you can bring these films to TCM. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And Moto and Charlie Chan and Hildegaard Withers and any and all such wonderful movies while staving off the evil corporate commercials.

I was going to say I like both, but I have to go with Conway as well. Sanders is very, very polished and delightful in his own way. I can't say I remember the progression from Saint to Falcon, but he WAS very much THE Saint while Conway made the Falcon HIS role. I love the way he stepped up to the characterization without missing a beat and with no degradation in enjoyment, at least imo. Dave, these are the movies that I enjoy the most, the 'B' movies that don't have any pretensions, but gave their all, nonetheless. I just saw a little gem, 'Mystery in Mexico', and I can't even remember who was in it, but it was a delight from beginning to end. I bet at the time this wasn't even a 'B' movie, was there such a thing as a 'C' category?? I love the Chan, Falcon/Saint, Moto, and Holmes series, as much as I do the 'A' movies. Thank you, TCM.

ike, I have to admit, since I recently found out what 'rosebud' REALLY means, the movie has become more interesting to me. JK. I've always liked the movie, but didn't always understand it. I liked the camera angles and Joseph Cotten. I admit to being swayed by all the grand 'reviews' of the movie, thinking that meant I *had* to like it. I haven't sat through it recently, so I'd have to get back to you on your question. The movie I could NEVER sit through was 'The Magnificent Ambersons', a movie which also received much praise. Not sure if it is still thought of as great or not. A big, big disappointment to me of late was 'On Borrowed Time'. I watched it a loooong time ago, with someone whom I was crazy about (long gone)and who loved the movie, and looked forward to seeing it again. Well, as much as I love Lionel Barrymore, I had to fast forward through most of the movie. It got on every one of my suddenly impatient nerves. Of course, I like the fact that TCM showed it and I have it on tape, but boy does time long ago (and infatuation) color one's view of a certain movie!

Good post, ike. And I'm going to volunteer to play the Devil's Advocate character on this thread. While the idea of 'rating' a racially offensive movie or television show seems to be a solution, I have a question. Who gets to assign the ratings? Where does one find an open-minded, unbiased human being to assign the ratings? Think such a human being exists? I don't. Hence you have the Hays code for post-1932 movies and the overbearing Politically Correct society of current America. Sorry, I'm not for censorship. And I am not for ratings. IF parents did their jobs, instead of foisting child rearing on the church, business and state, there would be no NEED for censorship or ratings. No, I am not old enough or lucky enough to have heard the radio Amos 'n Andy. Yes, I am old enough and lucky enough to have seen the Amos 'n Andy show on television. Do da name Ruby Begonia mean anything to ya? I grew up on a commercially mixed street in the 1950s where there lived...gasp...black people. And there were good black people and there were bad black people. And there were good Italians and there were bad Italians. And I grew up to be a conservative agnostic who believes in the Golden Rule. And that's all I believe in. So, were my sensitive little eyes protected from the Vietnam war footage at dinner time or the slurs on 'All In The Family' or the sexual innuendos of the Warner Brothers cartoons? No. And I managed to make it to adulthood without hating anyone without just cause, and to strive to be treated as I treat others. And that, ike, is why I want movies and television and print and the Internet left the hell alone. Again, IF people took personal responsibility for their actions and IF parents took a searingly personal interest in the lives of the children that they so blissfully procreated and IF the politicians and church and big business DIDN'T have a personal agenda in the politically correct BS they promulgate, then it would indeed be a better world. All by itself. Well, the domestic part would be, imho. I can't speak to the abysmal international situation.

Oh, how lovely, ML, how civilized. I know, I may be wrong for idealizing the past (I just read an article that said it was no better in the past than it is now, and probably worse), but it SEEMED more civilized then, didn't it? I have a circa 1960s photo of myself, standing in my parent's shabby backyard, in my Easter outfit, complete with veiled hat, two piece suit, and patent leather pumps. How funny.

I agree, ML. The dresses by Orry-Kelly, Adrian and Renie, to name a few, were drop-dead gorgeous in the 1930s and 1940s movies. The hats, gloves, shoes, everything contributed soooo much to a warm, fuzzy feeling in watching those films. I had to wear a uniform all through grammar and high school, and was more than happy to get into the jean and clog attire of the hippies of the 1960s. I do agree that the 'casual' look has gone a bit far today. Not only do people show up in jeans at fancy restaurants, but I was shocked to see people in jeans at the theater. Shame.

Interesting topic. Racial stereotyping in 'old' movies doesn't bother me, for various reasons: I realize they are a product of their times. I do NOT want to sanitize the old movies. I do NOT want them burned. I want to be able to view them as a piece of history, albeit an ugly piece of history, just as I want to be able to view the silent movies for their historical significance. No one has a right to play God, as Bill Cosby supposedly did with the 'Our Gang' television series and those who are preventing the airing of the old 'Amos and Andy' show, and prevent ME from seeing every single media presentation available, regardless of bias or subject matter. Finally, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

I agree, catcarson123. The tribute was subtle enough to be very rewarding over and over again. Cher's tribute to Hepburn was too 'Cher', if that makes sense. All I could HEAR was CHER. I've decided that Myrna Loy is a 'woman's woman'. Like the press had decided that Spencer Tracy was a man's man. Carole Lombard is another 'woman's woman'. An actress who makes me smile just to LOOK at her. Carole and Myrna (and others, but not Bette Davis or Joan Crawford) have an indefinable 'something' that talks to me. Sounds nutty, but there you are.

Welcome, Phoebe. How long have you had TCM? It's a grand station and this is a great board. Enjoy yourself here.

keith, unfortunately I haven't seen many of the films you mention. I love 'offbeat' movies, that adjective being one of the many that describe my personality. I was lucky enough, a long time ago, to finally get to a midnight showing of 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show', complete with toilet paper and water pistols, and enjoyed every minute of it. And found out that not only did Tim Curry look better in makeup than I do, but that he looks better WITH makeup than without. Go figure. I am a big fan of John Waters, and scared myself silly when I first watched 'Night of the Living Dead', alone, at night, in my first apartment. I was quite disturbed by 'Freaks', but did so like the ending. Finally, being someone who had a 'thing' for Bela Lugosi in 'Dracula' (yes, I would have gladly given him my neck), I was sooooo very disturbed at 'Plan 9 From Outer Space'. The movie was beyond belief in its construction, but it was a hoot. Thor, the octopus, the director's chiropractor filling in for poor Bela, the entire film was a hoot. Oh, I almost forgot another favorite cult film...."feed me"....'Little Shop of Horrors' with a Jack Nicholson every bit as bizarro as he appears now. The man scares me. Good topic. Oooh, another, no? 'Edward Scissorhands'...the ending makes me cry, every time! Hmmm, looked up KOYAANISQATSI, sounds fascinating. Thanks, keith.

hneilm, I had to 'google' TANSTAAFL, and you're absolutely right. Oh, and I agree, included in the components of my exorbitant cable bill, TCM IS the biggest value. But don't tell them! memlps, sorry, TWoP has nothing to do with computer lingo. They are such an obnoxious site that I don't do them the courtesy of spelling out their name. It's 'Television Without Pity', and actually contains a GREAT group of people interested in television. The moderators, however, were trained under Hitler. eddie, I *did* notice that the air was a little cleaner around here.

Ack, now I'm afraid of the 'post message' button! LOL, no path, I kept getting the same screen over and over, and just kept hitting the 'post' button. I should have realized, this site is still bugged by bugs.

OH HOLY COW.........I'm SO sorry. TCMprogrammer, can you delete extra posts???????

And one of my favorites, Carole Lombard, a drop-dead gorgeous 'dame' who had spunk. The only comparable actress of today who is possibly not yet 'enhanced' and who is a real beauty, imo, is Ashley Judd. Michelle Pfeiffer is another. Not too many others I can think of. Nope, the actresses of My Two Great Decades had it all over those of today.

And one of my favorites, Carole Lombard, a drop-dead gorgeous 'dame' who had spunk. The only comparable actress of today who is possibly not yet 'enhanced' and who is a real beauty, imo, is Ashley Judd. Michelle Pfeiffer is another. Not too many others I can think of. Nope, the actresses of My Two Great Decades had it all over those of today.

And one of my favorites, Carole Lombard, a drop-dead gorgeous 'dame' who had spunk. The only comparable actress of today who is possibly not yet 'enhanced' and who is a real beauty, imo, is Ashley Judd. Michelle Pfeiffer is another. Not too many others I can think of. Nope, the actresses of My Two Great Decades had it all over those of today.

And one of my favorites, Carole Lombard, a drop-dead gorgeous 'dame' who had spunk. The only comparable actress of today who is possibly not yet 'enhanced' and who is a real beauty, imo, is Ashley Judd. Michelle Pfeiffer is another. Not too many others I can think of. Nope, the actresses of My Two Great Decades had it all over those of today.

And one of my favorites, Carole Lombard, a drop-dead gorgeous 'dame' who had spunk. The only comparable actress of today who is possibly not yet 'enhanced' and who is a real beauty, imo, is Ashley Judd. Michelle Pfeiffer is another. Not too many others I can think of. Nope, the actresses of My Two Great Decades had it all over those of today.

And one of my favorites, Carole Lombard, a drop-dead gorgeous 'dame' who had spunk. The only comparable actress of today who is possibly not yet 'enhanced' and who is a real beauty, imo, is Ashley Judd. Michelle Pfeiffer is another. Not too many others I can think of. Nope, the actresses of My Two Great Decades had it all over those of today.

And one of my favorites, Carole Lombard, a drop-dead gorgeous 'dame' who had spunk. The only comparable actress of today who is possibly not yet 'enhanced' and who is a real beauty, imo, is Ashley Judd. Michelle Pfeiffer is another. Not too many others I can think of. Nope, the actresses of My Two Great Decades had it all over those of today.

And one of my favorites, Carole Lombard, a drop-dead gorgeous 'dame' who had spunk. The only comparable actress of today who is possibly not yet 'enhanced' and who is a real beauty, imo, is Ashley Judd. Michelle Pfeiffer is another. Not too many others I can think of. Nope, the actresses of My Two Great Decades had it all over those of today.

You're right, hneilm, I think we all here would agree that logos are intrusive and a fairly new phenomemon. However, if this is what it takes in the world of media publicity to keep TCM on the air, I won't mind. If many people complain to TCM about the logo obscuring subtitles, perhaps that would help. If anyone has watched the FX channel, you would be even more horrified. Not ONLY do they have an omnipresent logo, they even have 'pop-up' SOUND ads for upcoming shows, in one corner of the screen during the program. Obtrusive, obnoxious, and not a damned thing anyone can do about it. As logohater has observed, I'm sure FX is owned by a corporation and we are all, now, at the mercy of corporations. And yes, this thread did take on an impolite life of its own, and that's too bad. However, I go back to my post somewhere else about the wonderfully uncensored ability of those at this message board to respond whenever and however they want to someone who is being ugly and small. Did I share that I was REPORTED for saying "um" in a post at TWoP? I know, I should leave, again, but I keep going back. Oh, and finally, hneilm? LOL, please tell me what philanthropic cable company gives you TCM for free? I'd like to subscribe: "TCM shows great movies, does so without commercials, helps me to learn about movies (through the charm of: Robert Osborn, this site, and the fun of the closing credits), and still doesn't charge me a penny for the privilege!" I'll still maintain that TCM and this message board are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Interesting site, this. As the company for which I work is so fond of saying, I'd like to examine this from '40K feet'. From one aspect, we all should be VERY grateful that this site isn't moderated or censored. I have shared how the A&E site is quite cavalier, allowing posters to report any little note that offends, and bam the post evaporates. And how TWoP moderators EDIT any post they wish, CHANGING a poster's words and admonishing them. Imagine if it were like that here? We have refreshing freedoms on this site. At the same time, we have trolls who, for whatever reason, like to come to sites just to instigate sturm und drang. They have no reason to be posting the words they do, if they can spell them, but they do, over and over again. And, they incur the wrath of the good people who visit these sites to share a common interest. On the OTHER hand, I despise censorship so I agree that even the trolls have the right to post here. I don't agree with what they say, nor appreciate the words they use (IF they can spell them), but I don't want to see posts censored. What I do NOT understand is the joy they get from being obnoxious and demeaning and insulting. I really, really do NOT get it. WHY don't they simply...here's a flash and this is specific to TCM...NOT WATCH the channel in question???? GO watch NBC and drool over Donald Trump. GO watch BRAVO and indulge in their new 'reality' scheme. GO watch just about every other channel in televisiondom and watch their homogenized 'reality' crap and...here's that flash again...DON'T let your remote linger on TCM. Yes, TCM has its problems, it IS a product of a corporation after all. BUT, and here's the kicker, IT IS the only station of its kind in Cable right now, pay or otherwise. At least in MY cable, and I'm not ABOUT to pay the monopolies any more money to get what I can get on TCM. So, after giving it much thought, NO, I don't think I AM going to be polite to the likes of the trolls who are posting here lately. If they won't go away, I won't be nice to them and I may not ignore them. Let TCM decide, not a few posters here who want to play moderator. If TCM decides to erase the entire offending threads, so be it. If TCM decides to cancel the membership of those who are squabbling, so be it. Until they do, I'll just appreciate TCM for what it is, the last...THE LAST...television station that still plays classic movies. And I'll appreciate this site for what it is, still an uncensored, freewheeling message board where idiots and movie lovers can post away to their heart's content, unencumbered by dictatorial moderators. Thank you, TCM and TCMprogrammer.

Wow, msladysoul, I don't think I have ever seen any of your posts, and WE could have been separated at birth!! I completely and utterly agree. The pre-code films done before that nasty minded little Hays hypocrite got his foul hands on the coding system were amazing, weren't they? One in particular, though not a 'great' film, blew me away with one of its lines. It was 'The Last of Mrs. Cheyney' with Basil Rathbone...at one point, a male character tells Basil that the female lead is, I forget the exact word now, 'handsome'. Basil replys: Saying a woman is 'handsome' is like intimating that her undergarments are made of lead. Again, I may be misquoting, but the idea is there. I almost lost it when I heard that line. That approximates everything about the early 1930s films to me, the daring, the scanty clothing, the experimentation, the freedom, the joy, the unabashed sexuality, the FREEDOM! I despise Hays and hope he is in a particularly painful sort of censored afterlife. I didn't realize that some pre-code movies were only available for sale, and were not being shown. How horrific. I despise censorship, despise it. I wonder what TCM's policy is on it? They, as I've said, have shown the only movies which are pre-code that I've seen. 'Penthouse' with Myrna Loy, which was just recently shown, concerned a...gasp!...'NON-lady' who won the guy and lived happily ever after. She was drop dead gorgeous in it, have you seen it? I SO agree, msladysoul, the 1930s and the 1940s with their film noirs strike me to my very soul. I've posted here that IF a film has striped furniture, venetian blinds and long dresses (especially those of Orry-Kelly), I am in cinematic heaven. I have always adored the films of these two decades, and therefore hope TCM will go on, just as it is, showing these films forever and ever. How NICE to read your post!! Thank you.

keith, you're right, of course. I used to be a big fan of foreign and art house films. I'll get back to them, some day.... But you're right, just as foreign television uses 'average' actors to good effect, so too foreign film doesn't use only anatomically perfect men and women. And I wouldn't want the entertainment business to stop, I just get weary of the media's constant hype of certain no-talented bums. There are many wonderful 'average looking' actors making a living today, William H. Macy, Philip Seymour Hoffman and John C. Reilly are but three. Yup, the fan base here is tremendous.