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No, keith, good grammar is a lost art, and I think it a good thing when someone pays attention to their writing skills. Also, as I've mentioned elsewhere, this site is as user unfriendly as it can get via the 'edit' button. Impossible to use, so one had either get their post right the first time or open another window to cut and paste it. Or at least I have to do this on my machine. I think the term 'classic' is an arbitrary one. According to whom? The newspapers and media talking heads who make up LISTS? Heck, they have said 'Titanic' was one of the best movies of all times, and I think it stank to high heaven. For my part, outside of all the long touted 'classics'...I wasn't thrilled with GWTW as a 'classic', it was just a herculean effort of a movie...I consider 'Shrek' to be timeless. It was fresh, novel, well produced, and clever by half. I think it will be as funny in 20 years as it is today. As my father says, "salsiccia his own". Okay, he's Italian, "salsiccia" is the Italian word for sausage, and it's a play on "to each his own".

Wow, not only could I NOT pick just a few, I'd have to say that every movie actor and actress from all the 'A' and 'B' black and white movies from the 1930s and 1940s is a favorite of mine. With the exception of: Clark Gable, Gary Cooper and John Wayne. Why? Because, whether they were Mantan Moreland or Ricardo Cortez or James Gleason or Zazu Pitts or Edna May Oliver or Barbara Stanywyck or Humphrey Bogart, they ALL brought something to every single movie I have thus far seen. Unless it was a movie with the aforementioned three, and had Basil Rathbone or Frank McHugh or Bela Lugosi or Myrna Loy...well, you get the picture...I was in cinematic heaven. Even the so-called 'duds' I have taped had an atmosphere or a set or a costume that I enjoyed. The classic movies are a joy for the senses, and I salute every actor and actress from that time period who just 'did their job' and perhaps went into the Great Beyond without knowing what a service they were providing to future generations. Oh, did I mention John Garfield and Edward Everett Horton and Jack Carson and Harold Lloyd and George Sanders and William Powell and Carole Lombard and Cary Grant and.................... Oh, and this site is NOT really better and I don't see ANY messages on the forum at the bottom of the site. I can not edit a message and come back again, my message is never updated. I have to cut and paste my message and open another window. AND, if I open another window, my login does not remain and I have to login again. It's not a cookie problem, I don't have this issue anywhere else. It's time for TCM to move to another format.

Nope, it's not just you, kelsey. I prefer b/w over color movies any day of the week. Thankfully, Teddy gave up on his idea of 'colorizing' classic b/w movies. What an abomination that was.

Good post, orson. I *am* curious about the ages of these women, but I guess it's not polite to ask. Interesting, because I was raised on television, mindnumbingly unreal television, like 'Ozzie and Harriet' and 'The Donna Reed Show'. I know these shows were far better than the drek passing for sitcoms today, but I still missed out on the 'Show of Shows' and Fred Allen. I watched every 'I Love Lucy' and 'Abbott and Costello'. However, I think it has more to do with internal rather than external factors. My parents didn't spend any time encouraging me to appreciate classic movies, and I could count on one hand the number of times we went to the cinema. But we did watch 'The Million Dollar Movie' and 'The Late Late Show' (oh those themes), and they still have their favorites today. My father talked about Theda Bara and Pola Negri as actresses he liked. Eventually, I got myself to foreign films, and revelled in all the classic films that PBS started showing when they became a channel. But you are correct, the classic movie fan is a breed apart. Long winded post, I know, but I just wanted to opine on the fact that those raised on television and classic movie lovers are not mutually exclusive beings.

I agree, moria, I liked those particular movies very much. orson, I hope you don't know a LOT of women like that! They're missing out on a lot, when it comes to movies and television. I never found Lucy to be as sympathetic as Ralph Kramden, or as brilliant as Kovacs. Where I did admire her was in her business sense. She and Desi (another very smart business person) saw a niche and filled it. She could indeed have been a notable 'noir dame' like Lizabeth Scott or Gloria Grahame, but chose to move out and up. All the same, her palpable personal chill came across in her television series, and all accounts seem to indicate she wasn't a very good mother either. I may have 'liked' Lucy, but I never 'loved' her.

Neither have I. I have found that if I log in *before* I attempt to post, I have no problem.

>Too bad the remake will probably overshadow the classic one. LOL, kimbo, the REmake? As in Jessica Lange and a forgettable gorilla and...hmmm, was it notable for anything else? Was there a building in it? I wouldn't know, I never watched it, and never will. The ORIGINAL? Fay Wray, sexy, vulnerable, naughty underwater scene. Stappy young guy on ship comes to her aid. Robert Armstrong at his best, crusty guy with a heart of gold. New York in black and white in the 1930s. The EMPIRE freaking State Building, JUST built......sigh. There is NOTHING more beautiful than the Empire State Building. And the scenes in the jungle, where that mother snatches up her baby just in the nick of time. And the black man gets squashed under Kong's foot. And the winged dinosaurs and T-Rex. The image of Kong playing with the broken jaw of the T-Rex. *shudder* And the chaotic scenes in New York, at the nightclub and the faces on the subway. And best of all, a vulnerable, empathetic misplaced ape who was a victim of opportunists and his only crime was that he fell in love. An ape who ruled in his environment and who (pre-Hays, I imagine) sniffed at clothes he pulled off Fay Wray. AND, Kong climbing the Empire State Building, can you EVER forget that? AND the resigned look on Kong's face as he let GO of his hold on the Empire State Building. And the last words 'it wasn't the planes that killed Kong, it was beauty killed the beast'. And when I was little, I cried and cried for the ape. Add to that the cinematography, and the music, and the (for their time) outstanding special effects. Special effects which I would STILL rather see than all the whiz bang Light and Magic zillion man marching armies. King Kong is media history, to me it's as important as Citizen Kane or Wizard of Oz. It was of its time and it was about its time. It was beautiful and memorable, and will live forever. Remake, you say? WHAT remake?

Well, evidence of the fact that Lucy's film career ISN'T forgotten (if anyone said it or not), is proved by the posts written here where we are all remembering certain films of hers that we liked.

Yes, classicsfan, 'Forever Darling' was on yesterday. I wondered about James Mason as the angel (I don't like James Mason) but you say it was good? Lucy as 'Mame'? Ewwww, no, I didn't like the 'old' Lucy, not a bit. Then again, I didn't like the 'old' Roz Russell, either. My brain is permanently set to the 1930/1940 timeframe.

She was excellent as an additional cast member in just about all her movies. She was drop dead gorgeous in the 1930s and 1940s. 'The Dark Corner' is one of my favorites, it had all the elements I love in a b/w movie. I hope TCM plays it some day. One of the IMDb comments on this film said that Lucy could have become a 'noir icon' if she wanted, and I agree. However, she was smart and had drive unusual for a woman in her day, and wanted more. She was da brains of her outfit, and did quite well for herself. At a cost, I'm sure, but there ya go.

One of my favorite risque remarks is from an obscure little film called 'The Last of Mrs. Cheyney'. I'm paraphrasing, but when someone tells the lead female character she is 'handsome', Basil Rathbone replied: 'Telling a woman she is handsome is like intimating that her undergarments are made of lead'. My mouth fell open when I heard that line. Again, darn it, I don't remember the exact words and they were funnier. The film was pre-Hays, and I'm soooo glad Hays cleaned up the movies from that era for us, the little hypocrite. No telling WHAT kind of dialoge we would have gotten if he had kept his perverted little hands off the movies.

Wow, gagman, thank you for that fascinating backstory on Lloyd. I also find Lloyd...and perhaps a flapper or two shared this opinion with me?...to be sexy.

Were silents being produced in Europe before those in America? I like 'Le Voyage Dans La Lune'and I see it is from 1902.

Good comments, floorwalker. Especially: "The point is: no two of us are going to have exactly the same idea about what is a good or bad movie. I think that's why God invented the on/off switch, the channel dial or the remote...", and something which everyone who comes here to bad mouth TCM should keep in mind. My only fear, and tcmprogrammer has addressed this a number of times, is when the 'newer' movies begin to outnumber the 'older' movies and before you know it...BAM...AMC! And re lococardinal's post, I had a thought that a Nuclear Bomb theme would be a good one for TCM to program one day. In light of all the unsettling information with which we are constantly being bombarded, especially those who work in NYC, I think a day of mutant fallout movies would be a good diversion. Some of my favorites were 'The Incredible Shrinking Man' (LOVE that ending), the Giant man and woman movies (don't remember their names), and any other movies (I know there were a LOT of them) that presented us with a moral tale on the evils generated by the presence of Nuclear Weapons!!!

No, anta, I'm not going anywhere. I've just decided NOT to talk to the 'little man' anymore.

Hmmmm, tcmprogrammer, when you say: "our revenue comes from cable systems that pay us a little bit of money based on how many subscribers have us", who is the arbiter on how many subscribers have TCM? IOW, do they open their books to you (I doubt it), or do you have to trust the monopolies such as Cablevision? Cablevision in particular has TCM in their 'Family Cable' lineup, so IF anyone has 'Family Cable' (and there is no TNT or the genius station SPIKE TV without it), then they have TCM. Automatically. So, is it a matter of honor or can you ask for proof? I can see where a megalomaniacal greed machine such as Rainbow's Cablevision would want to squeeze the buffalo off the nickel, so the effort TCM is making in NOT bringing commercials to their station is indeed Herculean. Speaking of which, useralx1172, yes I agree that the descent into mediocrity Hell for AMC began with the introduction of crap movies from the 1970s and 1980s. From there, it was a hop, skip and jump to commercials and the programming of 'Poseidon Adventure' at least once a month. I hope there is a special place in Media Purgatory for formerly great stations such as AMC, BRAVO, and A&E.

Duly noted, bggalaxy. Will do. And I'll be!! 71 gor-ge-ous Robert Fuller years!!! Thanks, bgg!

Well, slappy, bansi, seems we have two camps here. Those who 'say' (they may all BE leo) they put out good money to 'buy' a book from an illiterate, and are actually conversing with 'him' as if he is an 'author'. And those who think 'something smells fishy in the state of Denmark', myself included. I don't buy for a minute that he/she/it is: a. over 16, b. has graduated high school, c. gets passing grades in English, d. hasn't just found an obscure 'author' name in Google and has co-opted it, e. would know a book if it bit him/she/it in the ****. As I said previously, IF leo is ACTUALLY an author, albeit a conceited, self promoting, illiterate 'author', then I have to edit my perception of authors as intelligent, literate human beings who know how to construct a sentence and are above scamming message boards to sell their pathetic little 'book'.

Interesting, leo. Well, if you're not a 16 year old troll with an illiterate's command of the English language, you've given me an entirely new perspective on what it means to be a writer. Oh, and no, I wouldn't enrich your wallet by buying your 'book'. Thanks all the same.

My apology, jhnrndglt, in thinking you might be leo. I just saw another post of yours, and the spelling was completely correct, a skill in which he is sorely lacking. I imagine he will be going into an 'open admission' college which has an "English for Dummies" remedial class for Freshmen who were too stupid to learn English by the time they graduated high school. jhnrndglt, I'm still curious as to why you think leo is genuine, however.

I'm curious, jhnrndglt, what gives you the impression that leo is an 'author'? Are you saying that he has an online book where there are STILL typos? He is trying to pass as an author here and is not doing a very good job. In addition, he is hawking an obscure little book for which he seems to have written his OWN review on Amazon. And now you mean to say that he is making it available online and it HAS MISSPELLINGS? jhnrndglt, wouldn't you believe that even an ONLINE book has an editor and a proofreader? Or, leo, have you taken on YET another alias? Have you no shame?

For the sake of sanitization, replace leo with an empty chair. Leo, you're a one note song.

classics, thanks for the info on Aug. 1...my VCR will get a break from all the crime wave taping!! evh, that would be me. BEFORE they wrote the manager of the station into a bogus SPY vs SPY plot, that show was delightful, warm, and soooo enjoyable. tcmprogrammer, holder of the keys, can TCM wrest 'Remember WENN' away from the classics pretender AMC?

Thank you, tcmprogrammer!!! To everyone here who likes Abbott and Costello, and is a sap about fantasy movies (as I am), be sure to catch this one.

classics, the routine was from 'Lost In A Harem'. Read the first two questions/answers here to see the answer to yours, and a mention of MY favorite Bud and Lou movie, 'The Time of Their Lives'. I hope TCM shows the latter one of these days, I haven't seen it in years and years. http://www.louandbud.com/FAQ.htm