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I thought the way the case affected Greysmith, Avery and Toschi in the movie was very interesting. All three became obsessed in different ways. Since Greysmith wrote the book, we saw things through his eyes. I would love to know more about Avery's and Toschi's perspective. I've read that the Downey portrayal of Avery wasn't totally accurate. A friend of his said he didn't spiral out of control because of the Zodiac case and went on to be very active in covering the Patty Hurst case later in his career. My research also revealed that "Dirty Harry" Callahan and Steve McQueen's character Frank Bullet were based on Dave Toschi.

"Here's looking at YOU, Kid" -from Casablanca. Also, "I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals" - from Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid.

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I've read that information and you could be right. I know the movie pushed us all in the direction of Leigh Allen, but the one point I keep going back to is that Michael Mageau picked Allen out of a photo line-up as the guy who shot him. I know it was years later and sometimes eye witness accounts can be wrong. I just think there is way too much circumstantial evidence that points to Allen. I get that the DNA and handwriting analysis says it isn't him. In spite of that, I still think he's the guy. We may never know, but for us amateur sleuths it's fun trying to solve the mystery. I will say that Gaikowski looks a lot more like the sketches that witnesses presented than Arthur Leigh Allen. So I totally respect your conclusion even if I disagree.

You're right. I forgot about that case. It's probably a better comparison than the Kennedy assassination. Great point!

Just finished Zodiac (again). This movie fascinates me. It's hard to believe they never caught him and there are so many opinions as to who he was, or is. I've done quite a bit of research and while I think it was Arthur Leigh Allen, I'm not sure. There are complete web sites totally dedicated to this case. It's probably second only to the Kennedy assassination in terms of interest and wild theories. The movie is really well done and follows Greysmith's book almost to the letter. It's a great study of how solving the mystery affected the three main characters . Robert Greysmith, Paul Avery and Dave Toschi are brilliantly portrayed by Jake Gyllenhaal, Robert Downey Jr, and Mark Ruffalo. Kudos to director David Fincher for creating such a great film. I've always liked movies about serial killers and how detectives catch them after lengthy cat and mouse games. I guess I'm intrigued by this case because the "bad" guy got away with it.

I did a little research on Vince Edwards. I did not realize he was fairly active in movies prior to his role as Ben Casey on TV. I most remember how his character in that show was almost the direct opposite of Richard Chamberlain's Doctor Kildair. Both medical shows were very popular in the early 60s. As a personal note: The actress Bettye Ackerman also appeared in Ben Casey. She was from South Carolina and her brother, Dr. Robert Ackerman, was a history professor of mine at Erskine College.

I have to give honorable mention to The Glass Key because there's a character named Eloise Matthews which was my mother's name.

I thought MURDER BY CONTRACT was pretty weak. Vince Edwards was convincing as a cold blooded sociopath, but that is all I found interesting. At times it was almost like a black comedy. I don't know if that was intentional or not. I made it all the way through simply to hear Eddie at the end. While others here may disagree, I just didn't think it fit into my definition of noir.

Another famous actress I recently "discovered" is Rita Hayworth. I heard her name often, but for some unknown reason I hadn't seen any of her films. Over the last few months I've watched GILDA, THE LADY FROM SHANGHAI and AFFAIR IN TRINIDAD. I'm hoping to see more of her as I learned she made 61 films during her prolific career.

I watched it. It was really well done too.

Yes, you're right. However, this is becoming a problem. We actually don't have Epix in our package at our home in NC. We do get it at our vacation home in Charleston. We just happen to be here this week. My issue is with all the different premium channels and streaming services one will have to pay a small fortune to have access to everything that is available. I know I'm a TV addict. This may not be a problem for normal people.

I wasn't quite sure where to post this so if it's not appropriate, please forgive me. My wife and I just watched this two part documentary on Epix. It's about all of the rock musicians that lived in Laurel Canyon in the Hollywood Hills section of LA between 1964 and 1975. It's fantastic. As a product of this era I was a fan of most every group and performer highlighted in the film. Even if you're not old enough to remember the music of this period, you should find it interesting. The film also focuses on The Troubadour. A nightclub on Santa Monica Blvd. where most if not all of the artists living in Laurel Canyon gathered and performed. If you have access to Epix and like classic rock, it's a little over three hours well spent.

I agree, but unfortunately that was a sign of the times. I feel sure there were plenty of great black actresses who could have played the part.

Enjoyed THE UNDERWORLD STORY. It was interesting to see Duryea play a good guy (or almost a good guy). Da Silva was as advertised as the mob boss. Gale Storm was good too. I assume you all noticed Eddie was obviously "working from home". Assuming these intros and outros (if that's a word) are all taped in advance, COVID-19 must have caught-up with them. Also, while I'm sure it wasn't planned the" let's blame the black girl" theme was very timely.

I knew someone would know the answer. You people are the best I've ever seen. This site is wonderful. It's kept me reasonably sane during these insane times.

I just thought of a great trivia question. Who was the actor who portrayed Vincent Parry in the photos before his plastic surgery. Unfortunately, I don't know, but my money is on the chance that someone from this forum probably does know. Also, my apologies to TopBilled for taking this thread away from his original intent.

Yes. It's interesting that we don't see Vincent Parry's (Bogart) face until almost half way through the movie. The only weak part for me is when Agnes Moorhead as Madge falls out of the window. I'm not sure how they could have disposed of her more effectively, but there had to have been a better way. That being said it's still one of my favorites.

Like the rest of you there are far too many to list them all. Here are a few of my favorites (subject to change at any time). Casablanca, Dark Passage, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Tombstone, Malcom X and Zodiak. I know it's a weird mix, but I like them all for different reasons.

I was thrilled to see one of the premium movie channels was airing this flick. It's one of my top ten favorites. I've seen it classified as a neo-noir. I'm not so sure about that. I do think that although its only twenty five years old, it's a classic. If there are any other fans on this forum, please let me know your thoughts. "And poof!! He's gone".

Yes, I'm excited about seeing him and Duryea as I haven't seen the film. I mainly remember him from all of his TV show appearances in the 60s. I loved that deep voice.

I'm looking forward to The Underworld Story coming this week. Howard Da Silva is in the film. Apparently,it was his last film before he was blacklisted in the 50s. It's kind of interesting since upon his return he played Ben Franklin, FDR and of course Krushchev.

Well I looked it up on Google and it was Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in 1964. The court was ruling on whether or not a movie called THE LOVERS was pornography. He voted it was not.

That's right! I forgot about that film. It was one of Paul Newman's famous "H" flicks. HARPER, HUD and HOMBRE were all really good movies and who could forget COOL HAND LUKE and THE HUSTLER.

Who was the elected official or judge that said " I cannot define obscenity, but I know it when I see it"? I feel the same way about Film Noir. Like I've said here before, I'm still a novice and I learn something every time I visit this site. Now, what was the Sean Young remake? You've peaked my curiosity.