lzcutter
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Jdb,
I was thinking all day of how to describe commercial bumpers and fnally gave up and went to wikipedia:
"In broadcasting, a commercial bumper or break bumper (often shortened to bump) is a brief (usually ten to fifteen seconds) transition announcement, placed between a pause in the program and its commercial break (and also the other way around). The host, the program announcer, or a continuity announcer will state the title (if any) of the presentation, the name of the program, and the broadcast or cable network, though not necessarily in that order. Bumper music, often a recurring signature or theme music segment, is nearly always featured. Bumpers can vary from simple text to short films."
Bump also refers to bumping up a thread on message boards like these.
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Actually, I think the thread is supposed to be... "Underground on TCM, is it as depraved as it looks from the snippets?">>
Otterhere,
I don't think it's depraved. I have enjoyed a varied menu of "ElectraGlide in Blue", "West of Zanzibar", "The Unholy Three" and Vincent Price movies.
Many of them are cult films and won't be to everyone's liking but many of them are important films or beginning films for filmmakers that went on to have more mainstream careers.
As for Rob Zombie, I agree with Bill Mc., despite all the handwringing over Rob Zombie coming to TCM, I find him to be very respectful of the films he is showing and very knowledgeable about film in general.
What's that old adage: Don't judge a book by its cover. I think that probably applies to TCM Underground and Rob Zombie as the host.
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Did Raygun do it? - I can't imagine them having the taste to create something like it, >>
Anne,
Raygun did do the promo. They have it as coming soon on their website. BTW, their website has had a slight makeover and makes finding the past TCM stuff a tad easier.
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Otterhere,
I can understand your reluctance for TCM to get into showing more TV shows.
However, I would love to have them show this episode of the Dinah show because it would be great to have Robert Osborne talking about what it was like to sit down with the ladies and what went on when they cut away to commercials.
While I don't want them showing old reruns of "Adam-12", I don't have a problem with them showing the Cavett episodes with the classic film stars and directors nor an episode like this.
In 2007, they will be showing "The Men Who Made the Movies: William Wellman" which Richard Schickel produced originally in the 1970s and was shown on PBS. It's a great interview with a director who doesn't get much recognition these days but was influential in his day.
I applaud TCM for running the "Men/Movies" series and the Cavett episodes. They are wonderful.
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Anne,
Sorry for being obtuse. I love this film. It is one of my guilty pleasures. I call it a guilty pleasure because there are parts of this film that don't work very well and that likely has to do with Josh Logan being on medication.
However, the things that do work and I have always loved are Lee Marvin, Harve Presnell (it is a crime that film adaptions of Broadway musicals were on the wan as his career was ramping up because he should have been big), the male chorus, the young man, Horton Fenty (he is wonderful in this film), I doubt that Jean Seberg has ever looked as beautiful as in this film and the cinematography of William Fraker gives this film a burnished look that is beautiful.
Haywood Holbrook (at least I think that is the character's name) with his flat hat looks remarkably like the Head Elf in the "Rudolph" classic from my childhood.
Lee Marvin singing "Wanderin' Star" is one of the reasons that I bought the soundtrack album almost immediately after seeing the film. I know all the songs by heart and I know why the Mariah Inn in Mojave is called the Mariah because of this movie.
I would put the male chorus of this film right up there with the chorus singers from Oliver! for sheer enjoyment and professionalism.
I just wish the movie's style wasn't quite so broad. When Josh Logan is going for emotion and drama, the story works very well. It's the over the top comedic parts that jar the film for me.
I agree with Mark, it's a great way to destroy a set you know you have to get rid of.
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lzcutter because verb tense will mess you up every time.
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Any chance we could get them for the New Year?
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I saw this on its initial Roadshow release when I was much younger. It has always been one of my guilty pleasures.
Despite how wonderful Lee Marvin is, how great Harve Presnell looks and sounds and the great chorus that backs them up, the cinematography by William Fraker is exceptional. I believe the script was by Paddy Chayefsky (!!!).
I understand that it was much different from the original Broadway play and that there was NO choreographer (!!). I know it was shot up in Oregon and the weather was a constant problem.
My question is was Josh Logan on major medication when he directed this? I ask because the style is all over the place from wildly absurd to close intimate moments. I have always had a hard time reconciling the way "They Call the Wind Maria" and "Wanderin' Star" were shot with some of the other action and musical numbers.
Anyone know about this troubled production?
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Jack,
If TCM could show it I would think that DVRs and VHS players all across the country would be recording it. I know mine would.
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Actually, Turner no longer owns the library and TCM has to rent/lease the films it shows.
In the last year or so, TCM has been negoitating with the various studios to show more films from Paramount, Universal, 20th and Sony/Columbia/Tri-Star.
The Turner library is now under the control and care of Warner Brothers.
So, it is possible that "My Cousin Rachel" could appear on TCM in the future.
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For anyone interested in RO when he was young and just published, here is a clip from him on Dinah Shore's old talk show. The other guests include Shelly Winters, Olivia DeHaviland and Shirley Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkb_xpWuBvo
If you look to the right, you will see other clips available for viewing from the same show.
Enjoy!
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Brad,
If you want to see Grant and Hepburn at their best together, take a look at "Holiday". It's wonderful and also stars Lew Ayers. Grant and Hepburn are delightful in this film which was made a few years before "Philadelphia Story"
Wasn't Sylvia Scarlett one of the films that got Hepburn labeled "box office poison" in the mid-30s?
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Mongo,
I suspect that many of us are going to wake up on Jan. 1st and realize not only how much we enjoy this thread but how much we are going to miss it.
This thread has helped me in every one of the TCM Challenges that I have participated in.
Thank you for all the hard work that you have put into this thread an the previous Thread One. It really must have been a labor of love.
So glad you are staying around and I look forward to more fascinating facts in your "In the Spotlight" thread.
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lzcutter because into the spotlight is different from in the spotlight
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Cinemabuff,
I will be 'shocked, shocked I tell you', if the Oscars don't have a tribute to Robert Altman.
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Jack,
Sorry to keep this focused on Ward Bond but he co-starred in an amazing number of films over the years that have ended up on best films of all times.
If you look at the lists, it seems like 95% of all films feature Ward Bond. In reality, that number is probably lower but when you are reading the list it seems like every other film features Ward Bond.
Go figure.
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Grandma,
It's not a lost film. It's sitting in the vaults of Disney Studios until the studio can figure out a way to market the film without running afoul of political correctness, charges of racism and the fact that the film was made in a very different era.
It has been released to the European market and sometimes those DVDs show up on Ebay but you have to be sure that your DVD player is compatible with the disc because Europe is a different region than US dvd players.
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Filmlover,
We were both at the Arclight on Saturday. Mr Cutter and I were there for "The Good Shepard"!
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China,
Unfortunately, March 3rd is the last day of the 31 Days of Oscar celebration that TCM does every year.
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Anne,
In a way, Potter did receive his punishment. Had George not been born, Bedford Falls would have been Pottersville and Potter would have been a far wealthier man.
But George Bailey did decide to live and because George had such wonderful friends, Potter was stymied in his attempts to railroad George. Potter was in ill health, had few friends and ultimately, was not somebody that anybody would want to help.
Contrasted to George Bailey, Potter did get his comeuppance. The Bailey Building and Loan remained in business, probably did very well and Bailey continued to be a thorn in Potter's side.
To see Potter get his comeuppance after the end scene in the Bailey living room would have likely felt very anti-climatic. The audience would make the leap that Potter would at least get his hand severly slapped or worse, so Capra likely felt no need to show it.
Also, the dark themes of the film probably kept the "code officials" from focusing too much on Potter. After all, George Bailey tries to commit suicide, his brother Harry is killed when still a small boy, the local druggist is a drug addict that kills his customers because of his addiction, Vi becomes a prostitute, Uncle Billy becomes an alcoholic, all that would likely keep the "code officials" busy for days without thinking of Potter.
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Brad,
I think one reason it didn't catch on during it's initial release was because in 1946, the audience wasn't ready for a Christmas film with such a dark theme. After all the sacrifices made by both the soldiers and the homefront for WW2, audiences didn't want to dwell on films of self sacrifice and the themes of the IAWL. They probably wanted "happy" holiday movies that year.
Capra and Stewart returned from the war with a different perspective on life and Stewart especially would begin to play characters very different from the boy next door roles, aw shuks roles he had done prior to his military service. From here on out, the majority of his characters would be flawed, loner types.
In 1946, I suspect America and the majority of critics were not yet ready for IAWL.
The film would bomb (as we say now days) at the box office and only after it fell into the public domain in the 1970s would it begin to find its audience.
By the 1970s, America was a very different country than it had been in 1946. We had lived through Korea, Vietnam, JFK, MLK and RFK assassinations, Watergate and more.
The dark themes of IAWL didn't seem all that foreboding and off-putting thirty years later because of the cultural and political changes the country had lived through since WW2.
The film became a popular Christmas staple being run on dozens and dozens of television channels throughout the 1980s. It became a holiday staple and finally found the audience it always deserved. But, we as a country and a society, had further to grow in the years since 1946 before we could identify with and embrace IAWL's primary theme.
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Jack,
Take it back and exchange it for the widescreen edition. Mr Cutter picked it up in widescreen a few days ago and we watched it over the weekend. I guess it comes in both versions.
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My mistake, it's not Robert Frost but Dylan Thomas.
Being But Men
Being but men, we walked into the trees
Afraid, letting our syllables be soft
For fear of waking the rooks,
For fear of coming
Noiselessly into a world of wings and cries.
If we were children we might climb,
Catch the rooks sleeping, and break no twig,
And, after the soft ascent,
Thrust out our heads above the branches
To wonder at the unfailing stars.
Out of confusion, as the way is,
And the wonder, that man knows,
Out of the chaos would come bliss.
That, then, is loveliness, we said,
Children in wonder watching the stars,
Is the aim and the end.
Being but men, we walked into the trees.
Dylan Thomas
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The promo is called "Into the Trees" and I believe it is a poem by Robert Frost. Sure sounds like Morgan Freeman to a couple of us as well.
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lzcutter because that may not be the name of the poem
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Jack,
Just to let you know, to check the actual movie on the disc. For some reason, the promos in the beginning are full screen but when the film begins, it is in letter box.
Olivia de Havilland
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Edgecliff,
We've been talking about that Dinah show with RO and the Women Who Took Oscar Home here:
http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=93534&tstart=15
Enjoy!