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There are also those that say John Ford may have been the one to alter Duke's walk.
Just remember when doing your research that when legend becomes fact, print the legend!
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Here are some numbers I was able to find for the 2003 Sept - Nov. schedule:
September:
10s-3
20s-15
30s- 74
40s- 127
50s- 111
60s- 37
70s- 21
80s- 9 features, 1 documentary
90s- 1
2000s- 5 documentary + 1 festival of shorts
Oct:
10s- 1
20s- 11
30s- 140
40s- 125
50s- 61
60s- 60
70s- 14
80s- 3
90s- 1 feature, 1 documentary
2000s- 1 festival of shorts, 1 documentary
Nov:
10s-2
20s-7
30s-58
40s-110
50s-91
60s-70
70s-20
80s-8
90s-3 features, 2 documentaries, 1 festival of shorts
2000s-4 documentaries
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I will glad to look up the schedules from the years 2000,2001,if someone will kindly tell me where to find them.>>
Melanie,
It looks like you may have to find someone who has a printout of the TCM schedules from 2000 as the links for them on various usenet groups and such no longer work. Considering the links are five years old that is not really that surprising.
However, what little info I was able to find does show that TCM was doing its 31 Days of Oscar monthly scheduling even back then (though it was the month of March as the Oscar telecast used to be in March).
Also, the number of silent films that were run in 2000 was about ten a month. There were no silents run in March 2000 because of the above mentioned Oscar salute. In addition, two months had more silents run as part of tributes to silent film makers.
The number of documentaries run in 2000 is consistent with the number of documentaries that TCM ran in 2005 the main difference being that in 2005 TCM ran more recently produced documentaries about such as "I am King Kong", Budd Boetticher, Watch the Skies, etc.
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Your father may be referring to the stuntman of all time, Yakima Canutt who did the stunts for Wayne in "Stagecoach".
As for the walk, let us know what you find out.
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Hoz,
Here are some films that you might find worthwhile:
The Crowd
The Big Parade
Wings
Robin Hood with Doug, Sr
The General
The Gold Rush
Birth of a Nation
Way Down East
The Wind
The Iron Horse
Phantom of the Opera
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Sunrise
Nosforatu
Robin Hood with Errol Flynn
Frankenstein
Dracula (especially the Mexican version)
Freaks
Footlight Parade
The Thin Man
Fury
The Wizard of Oz
Stagecoach
Baby Doll (but wait for the restored version)
Roaring Twenties
Dodsworth
Any film from 1939
Petrified Forest
Mr Smith Goes to Washington
Mr Deeds Goes to Town
Meet John Doe
King Kong
Snow White
Pinocchio
The Front Page
Holiday
Philadelphia Story
Bringing Up Baby
Little Caesar
Best Years of our Lives
Casablanca
Fort Apache
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
Red River
Since You Went Away
Air Force
Notorious
Citizen Kane
Magnificent Ambersons
How Green Was My Valley
The Grapes of Wrath
Rebecca
Sunset Blvd
Panic in the Streets
Streetcar Named Desire
On the Waterfront
A Face in the Crowd
Mildred Pierce
A Star Is Born
The Searchers
Rio Bravo
Rear Window
Vertigo
Singin in the Rain
An American in Paris
The Bandwagon
Easter Parade
Night of the Hunter
Any Film Noir
Some LIke It Hot
Sands of Iwo Jima
Seven Men From Now
The Anthony Mann/Jimmy Stewart Westerns
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
True Grit
The Apartment
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
Olvier!
My Fair Lady
Mary Poppins
The Magnificent Seven
The Great Escape
Cool Hand Luke
Hud
The Wild Bunch
Ride the High Country
In the Heat of the Night
To Kill A Mockingbird
The Producers
Midnight Cowboy
The Godfather 1 and 2
The Conversation
American Graffiti
Chinatown
The Parallax View
Three Days of the Condor
Uptown Saturday Night
Buck and the Preacher
Airport
All the President's Men
Ballad of Cable Hogue
Dirty Harry
Last Picture Show
What's Up Doc
Paper Moon
Young Frankenstein
Blazing Saddles
Plus, if you can find it at your local library two documentaries:
"The Men Who Made the Movies" by Richard Schickel
"Hollywood: A Celebration of American of American Silent Film" by Kevin Brownlow (13 part series rumored to be coming to DVD this year)
Also, TCM shows documentaries every few months an a variety of subjects- filmmakers, actors, specific studios, etc. Keep an eye for them.
This list is by no means comprehensive but it is a good starting point. Keep an open mind- some of the films reflect the times in which they were made. Remeber, film can tell us a great deal about who we were and where we come from, what we were doing at a given time, what was important to us, how we lived. Also, by watching you can see how master storytellers such as Ford, Hitchcock, Hawkes and others learned their craft and learned from their mistakes. Also, don't forget the guys like Alan Dwan, Raoul Walsh and others who are not the big names of American Film but deserve their day in the sun as well.
The most important thing is to have fun.
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Jaysengirl,
A few years ago the Oscars moved their telecast from late March to the last Sunday in February. TCM has traditionally done their "TCM Salutes the Oscars" in the month of February since the Academy changed the schedule.
This year, however, the Oscars are being telecast on March 5th. So, TCM's Oscar salute will end just before the Oscar telecast itself.
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"Wild" Bill Wellman tells some great stories about the making of "Wings" and his whole life actually in his bio "Short Time for Insanity". It's a great read!
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Can anyone here explain a bit more of the current legalities right now as far as film libraries? I'm guessing Paramount owns their pre-codes and did they also buy Columbia's or Universals? I'd like to know more about that kind of stuff, I'm guessing TCM does not have the rights to show certain movies, just wondering what they don't have access too.>>
This is from a post by CoffeeDan from about five months ago (hope he doesn't mind me posting it here- it really ought to be a sticky on all the forums:
The Turner library holdings consist of the pre-1986 MGM library, the pre-1949 Warner Brothers library, and the entire RKO library.
Universal controls its own films, plus the pre-1949 Paramount talkies.
Paramount controls its own films from 1949 to the present, and all of its silent features.
Warner Brothers controls its own films from 1949 to the present, plus some independently produced films.
20th Century Fox controls its own films, plus the libraries of its pre-1935 corporate elements, the Fox Film Corporation and 20th Century Pictures, Inc.
The newly-created corporate entity Sony/MGM probably controls both the entire Columbia/Tristar library and the MGM library from 1986 to the present.
United Artists is a bit difficult to determine, because they distributed independent films in addition to producing their own films. I'm guessing that they have the rights to the latter, and not the former. Before merging with MGM in 1979, they controlled the pre-1949 Warners Brothers library.
The terms for leasing films varied from distributor to distributor. Some would charge by the day for an unlimited number of showings per day, and others would charge for each individual showing. From the brief time I spent working in television, I know that TV stations would lease certain packages of titles (hand-picked by the lessee and/or the distributor) for long-term arrangements, anywhere from 6 months to 5 years or longer, depending on the terms negotiated. But I've never seen a deal for a complete library of films from any one studio, only for packages of titles previously agreed upon.
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I certainly wouldn't mind donating money to have old movies preserved and restored, as long as I know all my money is actually going towards that, and there are no shall we say, detours!
>>At the risk of incurring Fred's wrath over mentioning the dreaded UCLA, I would recommend looking at the UCLA Film and Television Archives as a place to make donations for film preservation. They do an outstanding job of preservation and restoration. In addition, every August they host a Preservation Festival where they screen films that have undergone restoration.
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If you had Tivo, then you could get by with just a standard DVD recorder (without a hard drive) and those can be had in the low $100's range on sale or with rebate. The problem with Tivo (and I don't have it, so I could be wrong) but I read somewhere that it has the capability of not letting you record certain programs to DVD.>>
We have a Tivo with an 80 gig hard drive in it that we bought in December of 2004 for under $100. I have programs that I recorded over a year ago still on it that I haven't put on DVD yet. We record various programs to our Tivo on various channels and have never run into the problem of certain programs not recording.
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And lzcutter, before you give more incorrect information about DVD recorders ? yes, you can buy a cheap piece of crap for under $100, but they don?t come with hard-drives (they cost $800 and up) and you can?t record an entire nights worth at once. They should run the interesting and obscure decent movies during the day, not when everyone is sleeping.>>
Fudge,
I was referring to a DVR (Tivo) not a DVD recorder. You can get a DVR with an 80 gig hard drive for under $100 dollars (if you keep an eye out for the rebate coupon). You can store up to eighty hours of programming on it.
We bought a DVD-Recorder for under $300 last year. It serves as our DVD Player and allows us to record to DVD movies and such from our DVR.
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Matt,
The films that are nominated this year are showing on way fewer screens than the major Hollywood releases. With the exception of Munich (which had a 75 million budget), the other four are all modestly budgeted and are making a profit. For the number of screens some of them are playing on, they are doing very well indeed.
So, people are going to see them and enjoying them, politics notwithstanding.
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Unfortunately as I have already mentioned, I find myself watching less and less of TCM. The point is that I used to watch it all the time when it used to show classic movies and nothing but classic movies.>>
Hope you didn't miss all those wonderful pre-codes we enjoyed in January. Also, the line up in the late spring and early summer sounds pretty wonderful too (see TCMProgrammers post a ways down for further information)
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I think Cinderella Man was overlooked, far too wholesome to be among this year's nominees I guess,>>
Path,
One way to look at the Oscar nominations this year
The suits at the studios are producing Wedding Crashers, Big Momma's House 2, Date Movie, etc and combine that with the lousy year at the box office and maybe the members of the academy (actors, screenwriters, directors, editors, etc) are trying to tell the suits to bankroll better scripts.
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The singer was Juliana Hatfield and the song, I think, was called "Make It Home".
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lissener,
Surprisingly enough, that's the way folks here like to read them. They tried to change it a few months ago and the vote, overwhelmingly, was to return to this format where you read down to up and then oldest to newest.
Guess we like going against the trend.
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Julie,
Thanks for the clarification. Of course, you are right. It was June Haver. I, too, tend to get the two June's confused.
Thanks for the update and I am glad you are feeling better and back with us!
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C) Over 90 - June Havoc - aka "Dainty Baby June" the little sister of Gypsy Rose Lee - she is still quite active and living on her farm in Conn.>>
Julie,
I thought I saw June Havoc as part of the Rememberance of Those Who Passed on the Screen Actors Awards the other night. Do I, hopefully, have her confused with another June who passed away last year?
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Niprecode,
One of the big problems with the older films that everyone agrees we should see more of, is the simple cost of preservation and restoration. Here are some of the problems, in no particular order:
1 Films from other studio libraries-
$$$- The films have to be rented.
The films have to have been transferred to a digital format that TCM can air.
Those working in Home Entertainment have to know what's in their library and what format the films are available on. Surprisingly enough, there are posters on this board more knowledgeable about what films belong to what studios than some of the folks working at those studios.
2 Just because a movie exists does not mean that a broadcast quality digital print exists.
The years have not been kind to many films and film preservation and restoration has only been around for about 40 years. Many films are lost, many are badly damaged and many are in danger of being lost. Preservation and Restoration is expensive and time consuming. It can take hundreds of thousands of dollars and years to restore a film. Sometimes the preservation and restoration process is easy and most times, it's not. Those studios actively involved in preservation and restoration have a yearly budget that dictates how many films can be preserved a year. With Pre-codes often the films were cut after release to satisify the Hays Code. Some studios such as Warner Bros will make a valiant effort to find the missing footage before completing restoration. Finding that footage can be daunting. It may be in mismarked cans somewhere or in a foreign archive or some place in the Yukon at the end of the distribution line. You never know where the footage may turn up. Or it may be lost to history having turned to dust, been melted down for its silver content or been lost in a nitrate fire. All these things have happened to many films over the years.
3 I saw it on AMC, TMC, TNT or fill in the blank ten, fifteen, twenty five years ago so I know a print exists.
Yes, you did see the film on television sometime in the either the not so distant or maybe the very distant past. Depending upon what decade it was will tell us what format the film was available in when you saw it. However, with the rather rapid technological changes of this century, many channels are going to a digital format so that means if the film is not available in a digital format the channel cannot run it. Transferring any film to a digital format costs money.
So, there are many reasons why TCM cannot run all the movies we want them to. But the run films 24/7, 365 days a year and when you stop and think about it, that's alot of movies.
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Just wanted to chime in and profess my gratitude and appeciation to George Feltenstein and the hard working crew over at Warners!!
Oh, and if TCM wants to advertise the dvds listed below in promotional spots, documentaries or short pieces, that's a-okay with me. It will serve to remind me to order them and I won't begrudge them the advertising as the more they sell of the sets the more they can preserve and restore. (and please don't start with the doom and gloom about TCM doing advertising for the Warner DVDs means the channel is going to hell. I can find those threads on my own)
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Paramount now owns the rights to this classic. This film is definitely in need of restoration since the DVD print available now leaves much to be desired.
Paramount and restoration. Now, there's an oxymoron!
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Welcome. I'm sure what they put in the water here. >>
I'm thinking you meant to say 'I'm not sure what they put in the water here".
If so, there's alot of us wondering what got into the water the last eight weeks. The boards have been rife with doomdays reports of TCMs demise because they dare to run film classics from the 1970s and 1980s, arguing over what makes a classic, the anime thread that quickly devolved into juvenile name calling and much more.
Suffice to say, we hope that whatever was in the water has worked its way through the tap.
In the meantime, know that there are many here who share your viewpoints about what makes a classic film.
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Question: I read that just before Shelley died, Sally Kirkland, who is supposedly an ordained minister, performed some sort of ceremony (marriage?) for Shelley and her "long time companion." In the hospital room. Have you heard of this? Who is this guy?>>
Ralph,
If you can find Shelley's obit in the Los Angeles Times (latimes.com), the name of the guy may be in the obit as the other info about Sally Kirkland was there.
Hope that helps and sorry it took me a few days to get back to you!
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hat?s not true. I noticed that a lot of people suddenly left the board as soon as the anime cartoons started showing and you started promoting them and condemning people who like classic old movies rather than modern cartoons.>>
Fred,
You may have disagreements with Mongo but you should know that he is one of the most tolerant, and respectful posters that come here and this in addition to being a wealth of information and that which he does not know he will research just by being asked. I have not known him to condemn anyone on this board.
His patience may get tried from time to time by the doom and gloomers and those who resort to insults or hyperbole to get their point across but Mongo has remained true to his beliefs throughout it all from what I can tell.
There have been a number of threads of late that start off discussing movies and end up with name calling, verbal fisticuffs and politics and those threads may have caused some of the regulars to seek higher ground.
There are days when many of us probably consider joining them but then we remember guys like Larry and feato, johnnyweeks, bollywood, coffeedan and Mongo and we are drawn back by the possibilities of good conversations about movies of all decades.
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Walter Brennon and Gary Cooper
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I would wager you take Walter Brennan and Ward Bond and count up the movies the two of them have been in (not together but over their careers) and they would be in the top ten of most movies ever made.
As for favorite movies:
Walter Brennan: Rio Bravo
Gary Cooper: Really love him in Wings and The Winning of Barbara Worth (two that rarely get mentioned)