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*"Shaheen also said that a year after Trunk to Cairo was filmed the Israelis, French, and British fought the Arabs. I believe that Israel made short work in defeating the Arabs all by themselves in the Six Days war."*
Was the "Six Day War" the only armed conflict to take place in the Arab world between 1967 and, say, 1970? I have a feeling he was referring to other conflicts or incidents that may have also ocurred during that era.
Kyle In Hollywood
Edited by: hlywdkjk on Jul 7, 2011 10:40 PM
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*"I didn't understand why he chose to hit on that point..."* - David In Seattle
I missed all the discussion on *Adventures In Iraq* and the follow-up feature. But I have seen the discussion to *Sirocco* and now *Trunk To Cairo*. I am sorry I missed the earlier intros.
As to the Arabs in WWII, maybe he sees an important distinction between being aligned with (or sympathetic to) the Axis and being equated to a "Nazi". I doubt this was delineated well, if at all, in these films. Fighting the Allies and being a Nazi really are not synonymous or interchangeable and Professor Shaheen might wish that such a difference was explicitly made in some of these titles.
I did like his shorthand label of the "BB" stereotypes - buxom belly dancers and boisterous barterers - that permeate these films.
Kyle In Hollywood
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*"And here we have tonite a misguided fool being featured talking about how the US and the War effort villified the Arabs. Of course we did. Hollywood was not blind to the enemy. Once again hsitory is being changed in of all places our beloved TCM."*
Tonight TCM is featuring films that show "Arabs as Villains." If the Arabs in some of the films are shown as Nazi supporters/conspirators, how is TCM re-writing history - if this is historically accurate? Were ALL Arab nations (or Muslim people) supporters of the Axis? I kinda doubt it. I do know that some Arabs did hide Jews from the Nazis during the war.
As to the rest of your post, it belongs in a different arena than the Mesage Boards of TCM.
Kyle In Hollywood
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It's the Day Of Reckoning. And little did I reckon that it would be so difficult to choose a favorite schedule.
First, thanks for the positive responses to my "out-of-competition" week of TCM Programming. I am always pleased when my ideas connect with the membership here.
Second, Congrats to 'kingrat' on moderating a wonderful Challenge. Ya done good, sir.
Now to the Challengers...
Everyone did exceptionally well this time out - especially all of you that programmed short subjects. That's always a bridge too far for me.
JamesInArlington - selecting William Powell as "SOTM" (Has anyone ever seen William Powell without a mustache?) and spotlighting malevolent computers are wonderful choices. Also liked the inclusion of *Anna And The King Of Siam*.
ScottMacGillvray - using Character Actors for the "1-2-3" segment was the best of all the submissions. Well done.
skimpole - Saturday Morning Animation and *Hellzapoppin'* are highlights for me.
Fedya - You out did yourself with the current events themes during the week but NEVER mention The Green Bay Packers around 'tcmprogrammr'. The Steeler fan is still feeling wounded.
traceyk65 - You're the "Gorilla My Dreams". It was great to have you back in the game.
countessdelave - I love a little wicked humor (Eggs = Rocky) and silly puns too. Next time, go for *Fatal Attraction*.
'filmlover' and 'lzcutter' - my long-time challenge pals. Once again, you both kept up your reputations of being among the best at this intact.
But my favorite week of programming for the 19th Programming Challenge came from *LonesomePolecat*.
"LP", your themes were great fun and the film selections equally so. Special kudos to remembering the Anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, saluting the staff writers of the Sid Caesar Show and the musically capable actors. Great great job.
Whoever has the honor of moderating the next Challenge, with the work that was submitted this time out, they will have earned that distinction, Congratulations to everyone.
Kyle In Hollywood
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*"Who or how is the schedule made? No big deal just wondering."*
There is a staff of programmers in Atlanta that create the schedules. These folks are the ones responsible for picking the "Star Of The Month", the monthly "Spotlight" and all the other themes or special events that appear on the TCM schedule each month and the film selections that accompany them..
There is also an Original Programming department which is responsible for the non-film presentations on the channel.
Kyle In Hollywood
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Thursday, July 7th
Race and Hollywood: Arab Images In Films
*Sirocco* (1951) Spain
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JackFavell -
So, who's got the movie projector now? I hope it is still floating through the family somehow, somewhere.
And I'm glad you are enjoying the "interlopers" I add to the Gallery on special occasions. I like throwing some other illustration art into the mix once in a while.
Kyle In Hollywood
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'busterpup' -
Thanks for the personal testimonial and for confirming that the man across from Robert Osborne is very much what he appears to be. It must be a bit of a thrill, or at least "a kick", to see your professor on TCM this month.
I hope you pop in here all month too.
Kyle In Hollywood
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*"kingrat, I understood Kyle to be saying that he never thought of Arabs as enslavers being a "prevalent image in films", not that Arabs were not enslavers."* - David In Seattle
Actually, both of you are correct. Prior to last night, I personally haven't thought of "Arabs as enslavers" historically or of such images/references being "prevalent in films". I think I will learn alot this month.
Kyle In Hollywood
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*"We had a copy of it in our house when I was a kid, along with a few other movie posters."* - JackFavell
That's the second time you've mentioned having film posters in your house growing up. Can I ask why you had film posters at home? I think I posted a silent film poster both times you wrote.
The first time I posted *The Thief Of Bagdad*, someone wrote that they thougth it might also be an illustration for a children's book of the story. It is possible. There was lots of cross-promotional merchandising going on in films. It didn't all start with Walt Disney.
I like *The Sheik* items too. I am trying to gather a group of posters by that Paramount artist. Henry Clive was an Art Director at Paramount and was an 1920s artist of some renown.
*"I am a big fan of J.C. Leyendecker, Kyle so thanks for the 4th of July pics!"*
You'e welcome. I'm happy to hear you like J.C. Leyendecker too. But this isn't the first time I have posted some of his artwork on a holiday. Last Thanksgiving and Christmas his S.E.Post cover work appeared in this thread.
Kyle In Hollywood
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*"I think that what he considers to be a stereotype was actually Hollywood using the Barbary Pirates to be villains in some of these movies."* - MM
I never thought of Arabs as enslavers of Africans as a prevalent image in films. But I guess I was paying attention. How historically "truthful" that image may be is something I don't know.
As to the Buster Crabbe "Tarzan", I was most distracted with Crabbe's dark hair. I've never seen dark hair on the young man. It was always blonde or light brown. I saw a still from the film yesterday and thought it was someone else. At least not Buster. But the film didn't do too badly as a feature made up from serial chapters. As a piece of Hollywood history, Buster Crabbe as Tarzan was fun to see.
Kyle In Hollywood
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A couple of aerial shots of the Bagdad sets can be seen here -
http://forums.tcm.com/thread.jspa?threadID=160538&tstart=0
Kyle In Hollywood
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Wednesday, July 6th
(Click Through On Above Image to Access Larger Versions)
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*"Owe you a beer."* - David In Seattle
Oh. Did we have a bet on the NBA Playoffs?
Thanks for the encouragement.
And it appears that TCM got a print of *The Thief Of Bagdad* that was 15 to 20 minutes longer than expected. And that is what necessitated the early start time of the film.
Kyle In Hollywood
Edited by: hlywdkjk on Jul 5, 2011 10:54 PM
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*""POLITICS FREE???" What the heck do you think the whole idea of having an Arab film night is???"* - hyedenny
This is only to differentiate this thread from another that exists in Hot Topics. If you wish to discuss any political/current events issues on these films, you should take it there.
http://forums.tcm.com/thread.jspa?threadID=160428&tstart=0
Kyle In Hollywood
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*"...I think the movies were driven by money and they made movies to sell tickets."* - MM
And Professor Shaheen has expressed that exact thought twice so far in the first evening. He is very pragmatic about it all. He hasn't expressed any sort of dismay that these films are infused with stereotypical images. He understands just how exotic Middle Easterners were to Western societies.
I believe he is much more forgiving of these early protrayals viewing them as products of ignorance. He certainly doesn't seem to believe they are driven by any bias or malice - which, in the case of Native-American and Asian-American portrayals, he may actually believe was the case.
That he has seen many (or most) of the earlier "Race And Hollywood" series could make his commentary even more interesting if he does compare Hollywood's Arab Images to some of the other groups TCM has spotlighted in the series.
Kyle In Hollywood
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I hope the schedule gets "back on track" after *Thief*. If the premiere showing of *The Sheik* starts unexpectedly early, I don't think there is any explanation that could excuse these SNAFUs.
I am so glad I had the channel running earlier so I didn't miss any of Fairbanks. I've waited a loooong time to see this.
Kyle In Hollywood
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(A Politics-free Thread)
I think Professor Shaheen is doing s bang-up job of explaining the value of this series and the importance of looking at these images. And it is all without a trace of petulance or arrogance. This man is not acting as "the aggrieved member of the selected race/religion." That's great.
He has acknowledged how it was completely understandable for westerners to be portraying Arabs in films - at least in the 20's - because that's what western audiences wanted to see.
Off to "Bagdad". (The film that Professor Shaheen wants to sit and watch with his grandchildren. What a great recommendation.) But why did it start 11 minutes early? Yikes!
(Seems a short subject between films was eliminated or skipped.)
Kyle In Hollywood
Edited by: hlywdkjk on Jul 5, 2011 7:45 PM
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1970s Billboard Poster
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*"Does that show an American or Hollywood bias against Austrians?"* - SansFin
For awhile I've been pondering just what to make of the fact that the British made a film set in Vienna after the war where both the hero and the villain are American - *The Third Man*. Never could make sense of needing an American villain in a film about that era.
Kyle In Hollywood
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A nice line-up today for the day (and evening).
But not seeing *The Wizard Of Oz* on TCM on the Fourth of July is a bit of a downer. I think this tradition started in 2001 so it was a nice run (with one detour into Easter) while it lasted.
Kyle In Hollywood
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"MN" -
Not sure what the problem is keeping you out of the larger versions. Try this link -
(Not sure if a direct link like this will work for you either.)
Anyway, the lower right corner reads -
"From A Story By Mark Hellinger"
and I guess that's a picture of Mr. Hellinger.
Kyle In Hollywood
The Voting Thread: 19th TCM Programming Challenge
in TCM Program Challenges Archive
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*"...I do not believe it would have mattered in the end because we would not have been serious competition to these great entry schedules."* - SansFin
Phooey! I've seen the work of both of you and know that would not be the case.
Kyle In Hollywood
Edited by: hlywdkjk on Jul 8, 2011 10:10 AM
to add a missing verb! Oops!