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Kathy:
A very hard thing to do if you enjoy the 1957 "3:10" is to avoid comparisons with the new. I found it difficult to not think about what was different and how they handled the same sections. But try you must.
Let us know when you see the new one.
This stuff is great.
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>LOL. However, my inviolate rule this time is that 6 AM starting time must be met and that the schedule week must start with Sunday (thus it has been and thus it shall be).
"So let it be written. So let it be done."
Pharoah
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*More Spoilage Ahead*
Maybe I should check my life logic at the door. I agree with nearly everything you said. The part I had a problem with is Crowe letting it get to that end. If he had finally come to respect Bale logic tells me he could have just called it off. (Of course you have a rather dull ending so where do you compromise?)
I do get the sense that he was regretful about Bale. Why then go to the trouble to get back at HIS gang. I figured by the time he got to the train he was done with the group. I just didn't know how done. Even with all that should he have still got on the train? Surely no one was in a position to stop him.
How did you like Foster? Too much the psychopath for a western or well placed juxtaposition for Crowe? You mention the son and he does play a much bigger part here then the '57 film. It's a smaller cast and less action. (Another bow to modern audiences which I understand.)
I only thought if they were going to make a point about Bale's leg stick with it. It would have made little difference to me if it had not been part of the story at all. If it was about how he was wounded than nearly any wound would do.
Hey, you are in no trouble here. This is what this whole board is about and not too often becomes. (Fun though it is here.) I'm enjoying this and look forward to more on this and the '57 film. I think you'll find Ford interesting.
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Theresa:
Happy Birthday. I hope it is a grand day for you. My son turned 21 yesterday so it is a big week all around.
All the best today.
Chris
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Granted, I didn't see it coming.
*Spoiler*
What Crowe does at the end doesn't make sense. All that way. All that trouble and then for him to finish it the way he does struck me odd. Why wouldn't he have done it before then or was Bale what put him over?
Bale is pretty good. I already mentioned I thought the part about his leg, while mentioned a couple of times, never manifested itself too much in his movement. I do think Crowe did a pretty good job.
Dos us a favor and let us know what you hink of the 1957 film. I imagine you are unique in coming from the newer to the older rather then the other way around.
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I can't help you with an answer but you will likely get more responses if you put your question in the "Information, Please" forum taher than here in the technical forum.
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Lafitte:
Absolutely. It makes no sense.
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I wonder if Place meant that Fitzgerald carried the narrative as opposed to the narration. Not much happens that Flynn isn't involved in. The intoductions, the courtship, the guidance he gives to Thornton, the explanation on why Mary Kate has left Thornton, certainly the fight.
Of course, it could be just a plain oridinary mistake.
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Interesting point. I think around the time that Henry Jones (the town drunk) gets hanged is the point where Heflin removes all doubt about his finishing the job. I know it's quite late in the movie but when he explains the situation to his wife it doesn't seem that he is resigned to finishing it as he is now compelled.
Ford's intelligence is part of what makes his character so compelling while being so mean. He is subtle and quiet and, as you say, charming. Those qualities make his being nasty harder to take but a more interesting man.
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Some of my faves are "The Palm Beach Story", "Sullivan's Travels" and "Miracle At Morgan's Creek.'
It has been too long since I've seen "..Hero" but one I don't care for (and maybe needs a revisit) is "The Lady Eve." I just don't enjoy the way Fonda's character is played for a fool. It's kind of embarassing. But that is just me. It's been forever since I've seen "Unfaithfully Yours" but I remember thinking it was quite good. The premise is so unlike other Sturges films.
I recently saw "Christmas In July" and whil I thought the premise was pretty good it was not quite to the level of the others. I've never seen "Harold Diddlebock."
He did have a thing for names though.
Though he didn't direct "Easy Living" it is my favorite that he was involved in.
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Helen:
You mention not going to some of the other forums because people are smarter than you. Well, don't sell yourself short. That might be one way to find some more interesting things to see. Granted I don't go to Trivia very often but you might find some interesting things in the "Filmmakers", "Favorites" and even if you go down through the "Genre" forums.
Give it a shot. One thing might be to think of interesting topics. Your "Millions Like Us" is an interesting one but may be limited as it was shown on Labor Day. I think there is a thread on British WWII movies if that is what you want. Unfortunately, you may have to come up with some of the topics yourself. Good luck. I think you've struck a nerve and are not alone.
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"3:10 TO Yuma" is a fine movie. I think what makes Ford so good is how quietly he plays the part. He's not a raving lunatic and at times he is quite normal. ("I don't like fat.") He delivers his lines calming with just enough bite to make you believe his threats.
I love the way they suggest the afternoon with Ford and Farr. When she comes out and you see her button the last button on her dress you know all you need to know.
Heflin runs the gamut from brave to desperate determination. At the end it is no longer enough that he will get his money anyway it is about proving to himself (and probably his family) that he cna do what he set out to do. He's scared but he is going to get past it.
I liked the new one better the second time I saw it. Crowe is a little more complicated. He is as mean as they come but at some point is seems also about being fair. I think that is why he handles the end the way he does.
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"Top Secret" 1984 with a baby faced Val Kilmer (by the "Airplane" folks) was ok. I remember "Matt Helm." The thing I recall is it looked like Martin didn't want to do anything to over exert himself. "Flint" seemed to take itself far too seriously and was, for me, more over-the-top than Bond.
Whether you find them funny or not "Austin Powers" did go to great detail to do a proper send up.
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If you love the romantic/screwball type of comedy then this one is for you. All the components already mentioned make it a real treat.
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A wise man once told me (Kyle) that if you look in the TCM database and there is an article on the film then it has almost surely been shown.
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"Two peas in a pod-duh."
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"Have you twiddled your last wink, Cyril?" The Quiet Man.
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Hi April:
You are right about "When Willie Comes Marching Home." A pleasant enough comedy but not great. I didn't see much of Ford about it. It is nice to see if for no other reason than to see more rare Ford.
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I agree with you about "The Law and Jake Wade." The first time I saw it I really liked it but the last time it became routine about half way through. The basic part of the story spent a long time trying to get somewhere without getting there. Kind of got dull.
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I have seen most of those Wayne "Z" westerns. They are for the most part basically the same. Some have a group called "The Three Mesquiteers." One is a ventriloquist. He's (Max Terhune) is the goofball of the group. "Randy Rides Alone" passes Wayne off as a singing cowboy.
The highlight of any of these movies is the stunt work. Yakima Canutt was prominent in many of these so the action is the highlight. Also, it is fun to see some very young actors who you might recognize.
An ok way to kill an hour if you are wondering what people were seeing in 1934 on a Saturday afternoon.
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April:
You bring up an interesting point about the men being widowers but who is the woman who is at the Hannassey place when Bickford comes over the first time after Peck gets roughed up? My initial thought is that it is Mrs. Hannassey because Bickford asks for Rufus rather than Mr. Hannassey.
If she is the wife then she completely disappears through the rest of the film.
It's been a few years since I've seen "The Furies" but didn't Stanwyck do something to upset her father or was she a little nasty to everyone else?
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No. I saw it from the same broadcast. Not sure whether I still have it but I'll look and let you know.
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I've seen "Men Without Women" and liked it better.
A funny thing about this was I watched it on DVD and then found and old tape I had from AMC when they did a Ford preservation weekend. "Seas Beneath" was next on the tape.
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Good idea. I love westerns so maybe I'll be busy here.
I really like this movie. The contrast of Peck's way of handling things versus the west's way is a great outlet for the bigger conflict in the film. Peck proves that he is his own man and he won't be bullied or made to anything he is not ready to do and only for his own reasons.
A great cast. Ives and Connors are quite good in their unflattering roles. Jean Simmons and Carroll Baker are as lovely as they come but Baker's character is a little too self centered for my tastes (and Peck's.)
It might be a bit long but I think for an epic western it is most enjoyable.

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>And here I was thinking I was the only oldie.
Where? Look at my name. If I'm not the oldest I'm sure I feel it. My wife always reminds me I was born old.
Someone mentioned 17. Hated it.