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April:
"Stalking Moon" is kind of a remake of "Trooper Hook." Ben mentions it in his post film notes on the recent broadcast. He at least implies a remake as he says that we liked "Hook" then we should check out "Moon."
Just something to keep in mind as you watch them.
Chris
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The most interesting aspect of the myth is in the presentation. In "Liberty Valance" it is told in a series of flashbacks. In "Ft. Apache" the myth comes at the end and the very end at that.
Both cases take a situation and basically lie about it. The idea is then to perpetuate the lie. I would imagine the myth would be to take something that someone did and then elevate its importance or impact or the more it is told some more gets added on but in both cases the events have been twisted especially in "Valance."
Wayne's reaction in "Ft. Apache" puzzled me because at the end he is now taking up where Fonda left off inpsite of the fact that he couldn't stand the man and thought what he was doing was foolish if not idiotic. At least his motives are in the best interest of the Cavalry.
Stewart made his whole career on a lie in "Valance." I think he feels bad about it but after a while it is too late and he can't really get out from under it. Stewart's motives are in his best interest.
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>Coffee, cigarettes, and alcohol have never appealed to me.
I also can't stand the smell of beer. Consequently, I've never tried one. As a kid we had a neighbor (one of the other kid's father) loved playing football with us. The trouble was he usually had a beer before he came out to play. Standing in a huddle with someone with beer breath is tough.
Now my brothers-in-law have great fun trying to be the first one to ask me if I want a beer. It's juvenile on their part but I guess they think the same since I won't drink one.
You always have to line up your cereal by cover art? You must have some big cabinets.
Chris
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If you mean the "real life" opening in the morning that is "That's Life" (according to a an old discussion.) If you mean the animated one that is like the old "The Sunny SIde of Life" opening, I'm not sure about and would have to check.
You might contact TCM directly. Hopefully someone will be along for you.
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We understand perfectly about the pea soup. What really has me concerned is the pepper on the ice cream. This may be the weirdest thing I've ever heard in a conversation of food. I have some quirks but they pale in comparison.
I can't stand the smell of coffee. I've hated it since I was a kid. At our family reunions all my aunts and uncles, etc. (except my father) sat around and drank the stuff while smoking cigarettes. It didn't matter how hot the weather was they had to have it. (For irony my wife works at Starbucks.)
Cereal boxes go in so I can see what it is and fit comfortable on the shelf.
Grape jelly on pancakes is a fine substitute for syrup.
Burnt anything is yucky for me.
Chocolate rules.The fridge is adequate. Anything chocolate is acceptable at any time of day.
Breakfast tastes better when it is for dinner.
We'll ignore your hair..... for now.
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I think you mean John Burke. He was pleasant enough but I'm not sure how knowledgeable he is about film.
Frankly, for any of this is if they are looking for someone to just read the intros you could get just about anyone. The thing I think helps Robert O. be so successful is that there seems to be a good deal of him in his pieces.
If you are looking for someone with some knowledge who can write and deliver with a style his own that is a whole different matter. Maltin would seem a good choice. He did the commentary on the TCM released Laurel and Hardy DVD and some other DVD intros so why not.
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>Do you or movieman have any comments about the Hatfield character? What was at the heart of his interest in Mrs.Mallory and just what was the deal with that cup anyway?
My first thought about Hatfield was is he being her protector or is he looking to win her affections. My initial thought was the latter but I think as the trip went on he did become more of her protector. He became less pompous, I thought, after the baby showed up and maybe his death scene humanized him in a way that might not have manifested itself in another scene. Even his last act was to be chivalrous to Mrs. Mallory by "saving" her from the Indians but also ignoring Dallas, if you will, by only having the one bullet.
He was, to me, the most complex character.
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Molo:
You bring up a good point about the humor. It is much more subtle and integrated than most other films. Mostly Buck provides it with his innocence but I found it funny how he was constantly being interrupted by others. It was as if they needed to hurry up his thought.
I did pick up one mistake in that on the river crossing with the classic shot from on the wagon the camera shadow got in the shot. Not very noticeable as I hadn't noticed it before.
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How odd seeing "****" here. Having just spent the last month going through the "Cracker" series (interesting title as we've been talking food) I am reminded of their fondness for that term. It's a good strong word.
Bonus points for using a fresh term.
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That's very kind of you to say. I'll see what I can do.
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From the back of the class:
I think the real strength of this film is the characters. There is not much going on (in a western sense) until we are almost an hour into the movie. The lesser characters of Peacock (Donald Meek) and Gatewood provide little except fot the others to play from. No one can remember Peacock's name and he does little more than give Boone an ample supply of whiskey on the trip. Gatewood is pure and simple a blowhard. Doing everything he can to demand everyone aid what amounts to his getaway.
The real interest is the bookend effect of Ringo/Dallas and Hatfield/Mrs. Mallory. They each in their own way fulfill the same roles in the relationship but it is carried out quite differently. The men are chivalrous but only to their own lady. (Though Wayne clearly gets along with everyone.) Hatfield/ Mallory is cordial and refined but also smug. She doesn't want to be there and makes no bones about letting others know it. Hatfield essentially is her guard dog (self imposed) and only wants to do what is best for her regardless of how it affects others. Ringo is mindful of Dallas being a lady and takes appropriate action to remind others whether their lack of manners is on purpose or not. He is not so self centered with only Dallas as Hatfield is with Mallory.
George Bancroft is fairly normal. Andy Devine's "Buck" grows up to be Linc Appleyard. Thomas Mitchell, I think, despite his drunkenness holds the middle ground. Though he is weak he knows how to be responsible and comes to it when he should.
Monument Valley is indeed a star. Ford makes it apparent from the titles. Long shots dwarf the wagon and people. It's not too obvious but it's like finding a new toy and making the most of it.
John Wayne shows that all those years making those lousy "B" movies paid off. His character is not much different than those but Ford has certainly polished Wayne's performances. Trevor is wonderful and it makes you wonder why those sorry women would throw her out except that, despite her job, she is clearly the most attractive and fun woman in town.
In the end anyone can find happiness. Some are never as good or bad as they seem.
Original disaster film? I'm not sure. Different people on here for different reasons all going for different reasons. Mostly determined to get to Lordsburg but the argument goes to how soon and under what conditions.
Great stunts. Yakima Canutt is great. He once said any Indian would shoot the lead horse but then you wouldn't have an exciting chase and no end of the movie.
I guess I should stop for now.
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Mostly it is a cost factor. TCM didn't or couldn't keep the rights to show as part of Cartoon Alley or filler. I grew up with these on TV and think some channels would be well served by showing them again.
The PC factor is involved in some things. My wife bought me the collection of "Droopy" cartoons and they come with a disclaimer about stereotypes and how they were wrong then as now but were part of the culture.
When my kids were young I taped a lot of these cartoons when they were on TV so they (and I) had something to watch when we got bored. They are still getting used.
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I kid people that the only green thing I eat are green M&Ms. My mother was good about not making me eat stuff I didn't like. She asked me to try it but if I couldn't eat it that was fine.
Oddly enough my kids love vegetables and not chocolate. At times I wonder if they are mine but only for a minute. I know they are, I think.
Waffles and pancakes are like Italians and pasta. Same stuff different names. The preparation is different. I tease my wife that a noodle is a noodle is a noodle no matter the elegant name they call it.
I'm getting hungry. M&Ms anyone?
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I'm a Comcast subscriber but now that you mention it my office bought some commercial time several years ago and we did buy a set where they show over several different channels grouped together by demographics. A package might include Animal Planet, Discovery, Hallmark, ESPN, etc.
That sounds very much like what has happened.
Thanks for everyone's help. Kyle, thanks for being confident. I bet I haven't started 6 or 7 threads during my time here. I sometimes wonder if my ideas are any good so I hold back. I find myself better suited to responding. Who knows. Thanks again.
Chris
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>This puts them behind the eight ball. Are they supposed to convert everyone or are they are supposed to do good? They WILL come and ask you. Don't take offense, for they know not what they do, so be kind and gentle with them when you say no.
I don't think we are behind any 8 ball. We are called to bring the gospel and certainly do good. We certainly don't claim exclusivity to doing good works. We are not called to cram it down people's throats or force feed it. It is an offer. Convert, sometimes has a forceful connotation to it. There are millions of Christians and not all are gifted in sharing. Some are overbearing, some lack the knowledge they need but it is often a matter of the heart.
It's a broad brush to say that "they know not what they do" (and an unfortunate phrase to use.) No one should present it in a threatening manner or in a demeaning way. You even use the operative word "ask." Some religious groups through the world don't even do that. They demand. They punish if one has a change of faith.
I don't think anything going on here qualifies anywhere near a level for a persecution complex. A difference of opinion and maybe some discussion when one feels something is misinterpreted but hardly a persecution.
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I was channel surfing (because this week I have no life) I saw an ad for TCM's "Summer Under The Stars" on (I think) Animal Planet. Anybody else seen anything like this on any other channel? Are we seeing a new trend or did I completely miss something?
(Don't have any idea how my name showed up bold.)
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We've (or more correctly she) managed to make it work because I married a wonderful woman. She manages not to load all the Italian stuff with garlic so that works. With the meats she doesn't treat one or two pieces with whatever she is using. I'm not a vegetable fan except for a few things in salads but I can handle casseroles. I like breakfast no matter the time of day.
It did take a while for her to realize that we didn't like the same food. I hate mushrooms but for the first few years I always got them with my steak, even when she had to finish them. She's been very good about it. She's very patient. She must be, we've been married 24 years.
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Sorry to be late to the party but thanks for The Marx Bros. poster. Somewhere Groucho must have got an uprising out of a French girl. Well, maybe Chico then.
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Cocoa Pebbles are better than the Cocoa Krispies. I've been to Harrisburg though not recently but it seemed like a nice place.
I thought I was the only one who didn't like sauces or spices. Eating out can be a real problem for me as it seems as if restaurants try to outdo each other with all those "special" things on their meals. BTW, who passed a law that all glasses of water must now have a lemon. If I wanted lemonade (which I don't)..... I'm much to plain with food for my Italian cooking wife.
If you find yourself Baltimore way let me know and the Cocoa Pebbles are on me.
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I have a Cooper documentary from 1997 called "Gary Cooper: The Face of A Hero." I taped it off of my local PBS station about two years ago. Is this the one you mean -
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816504/
I got a bunch of them in one day. There was Peck, Ingrid Bergman, Barbara Stanwyck, William Holden and I think Grant.
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>2. More theme nights.
Nearly every night has some kind of theme. What kind of themes are on your list?
Just curious.
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>I think it was a year and a half ago that TCM showed many of the Dick Cavett interviews with stars such as Groucho Marx, Alfred Hitchcock, Kate Hepburn, Bette Davis and a few others.
And the ensuing discussion was just as memorable at the time. I enjoyed the interviews.
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"The Quiet Man" is a great movie and I like it very much as you do. It's a great cast. So many wonderful moments.
I can't imagine any other woman playing opposite Wayne in this one. She has the requisite toughness and gentleness to make the relationship honest and equal.
Visually it's a lovely film. Great color except the most recent DVD of it makes the colors a little too vibrant. She seem almost unreal in some sense. It does have a commentary by O'Hara so that is a real bonus. I have the same VHS you have and I've kept mine as it's a good copy and the colors aren't quite so overdone.
Just keep in mind if the there is ever another scuffle at the boards the "Marquis of Queensberry" rules must be observed at all times.
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Speaking of classic stars on TV (I think there is a thread) I've seen Dan Duryea on "Bonanza" and Vera Miles and Jean Arthur on "Gunsmoke."
*John Ford and Westerns: TCM Summer School*
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It's very kind of you to say. I'm not sure I had the myth pegged like Lynn wants it but it is what I thought about it.
The myth could be the overall myth of the history of the west. That might be a little harder to hit for those of us not so well educated with its actual history. Earp is a character who, though real, has reached a certain level in the conciousness of people that may be more than what he was. He is a legend. Is it warranted to this degree? Maybe but often the truth lies somewhere in between. (Mind you, I'm not saying anything against Earp. I don't know his history well enough. He's just the example.) Is Ford's treatment of the Cavalry myth? Community? Family? Maybe that is more Lynn's point.
An interesting thing to do, since we are talking about "Clementine", would be to watch it and "Gunfight At The OK Corral," Costner's "Wyatt Earp" and "Tombstone" and discuss the differences with each film and whatt we know of the history.
I don't know.