Sukhov
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5 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:
We'd perhaps have to look into why the French( where the term came from) CALLED certain movies "film noir" and go from there.....
No morally ambiguous characters, no moral corruption, no post war themes, no femme fetale, etc. I heard noir once described as “A Dame With a Past and a Hero With No Future” and I think that's a good way of describing it. A Christmas Carol has none of the major noir themes in it. It just has some shadowy cinematography.
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23 minutes ago, Arsan404 said:
I had never heard of this movie before, so naturally I was curious and decided to do some research about it, you know, a purely academic, scientific curiosity....and I think I ended up doing a lot of research that day.
It's got both a remake and a sequel so you know it's a high quality film.
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17 minutes ago, MovieCollectorOH said:
How about Garbage Pail Kids? South Park? (back when they killed Kenny off in every episode) Proto-playground noir? How quantifiable does this need to be.
How about that one furniture commercial where the guy stubs his toe on the sofa?
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Just now, TopBilled said:
Thanks for better explaining your point of view.
I do agree with Gaslight being noir though. Very good film too.
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1 minute ago, TopBilled said:
Possibly because you are unwilling to extend your definition of the term, so it covers films with protagonists of a younger age. And that's fine. But I think there is plenty of evidence in the texts of those films to make a strong case they have noir elements.
No, it's not because they're young. It's because the Innocents seem to clearly be a horror movie to me.
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1 hour ago, misswonderly3 said:
I don't know if you're alluding to the post I wrote here about The Bad Seed, Arteesto, but in case you are, I'd like to clarify something.
I never said a film like The Bad Seed could not be regarded as "having noirish elements". What I said was, there is no such thing as "children's noir", it's a ridiculous concept. Someone had suggested that this film, along with The Innocents, could be lumped into a category called "children's noir". And I said, just because a film has a story that features a child, doesn't mean it's a children's movie.
Also: I'd like to make clear that I have no problem with children's stories and movies having sad, bad, or scary elements to them. In fact, a truly good children's book or film does have such aspects to it. But actually, this is a whole different topic which I don't want to get into here.
I wouldn't even consider either of those movies as noir.
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This event happened recently. Vladimir Menshov (one of my favorite directors. Check out Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears) is speaking at the end.
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49 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:
It certainly did not play in French in North America in the age of subtitled art house pictures and therefor not considered a foreign language film for their awards. I doubt very much that they filmed two versions. Polanksi performed in English but they may have dubbed it for the French market.
I don't think the IMDB is implying it was filmed in two versions but rather that some of the actors (not Polanski) were actually speaking French and dubbed in afterward.
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14 hours ago, BarbH said:
Hello all - I posted this nearly 2 yrs ago, but thought I'd try again... Looking for the name of a movie where a wheelchair bound woman was killed by being pushed down an elevator shaft. I saw it in the 60's, and it was probably a 30's - 50's movie. Thanks!
Could it be Kiss of Death from 1947?
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7 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:
twilight zone the movie.
I imagine Vic Morrow didn't care for that one either.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46329949
Director Nicolas Roeg dies aged 90
Director Nicolas Roeg, whose films include Don't Look Now and Performance, has died at the age of 90.
In a career spanning six decades, he was celebrated for his original and controversial film-making.
His 1973 psychological thriller Don't Look Now caused controversy for its graphic sex scenes.
Roeg also directed Mick Jagger in the crime drama Performance and David Bowie in the science fiction movie The Man Who Fell To Earth.
His son, Nicolas Roeg Jr, said his father died on Friday night. "He was a genuine dad," he said.
"He just had his 90th birthday in August," he added.
'Roeg bewitched and bewildered'
Nicolas Roeg was one of the most original film-makers the UK has ever produced.
His early experience as a cinematographer brought a stunning visual quality to his work.
He often exasperated the critics and gained a reputation as being hard on his actors.
And he took a delight in jumbling scenes and time to both bewitch and bewilder his audiences.
Born in St John's Wood in north London in 1928, Roeg started in the film industry making tea and operating the clapper board at Marylebone Studios.
His directorial debut came in 1970 when he filmed Performance, sharing the director's role with Donald Cammell.
The explicit scenes of violence and drug-taking caused the film's release to be delayed by two years.
Speaking to the BBC's Front Row in 2013, he said false rumours that Don't Look Now included a real sex scene were "very flattering" because it meant audiences thought the film was authentic.
"What you are looking for in anything is some sort of truth," he said.
Edgar Wright, the British director of Shaun of the Dead and Baby Driver, was among those who paid tribute to "a master of the art".
Duncan Jones, the director of Warcraft and son of David Bowie, paid tribute to the "incredible body of work" Roeg has left, saying it inspired his own "ongoing love of filmmaking".
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46329949
Director Nicolas Roeg dies aged 90
Director Nicolas Roeg, whose films include Don't Look Now and Performance, has died aged 90, his family says.
In a career spanning six decades, he was celebrated for his original and controversial film-making.
His 1973 psychological thriller Don't Look Now caused controversy for its graphic sex scenes.
Roeg also directed Mick Jagger in the crime drama Performance and David Bowie in the science fiction movie The Man Who Fell To Earth.
His son, Nicolas Roeg Jr, said his father died on Friday night. "He was a genuine dad," he said.
"He just had his 90th birthday in August," he added.
'Roeg bewitched and bewildered'
Nicolas Roeg was one of the most original film-makers the UK has ever produced.
His early experience as a cinematographer brought a stunning visual quality to his work.
He often exasperated the critics and gained a reputation as being hard on his actors.
And he took a delight in jumbling scenes and time to both bewitch and bewilder his audiences.
orn in St John's Wood in north London in 1928, Roeg started in the film industry making tea and operating the clapper board at Marylebone Studios.
His directorial debut came in 1970 when he filmed Performance, sharing the director's role with Donald Cammell.
The explicit scenes of violence and drug-taking caused the film's release to be delayed by two years.
Speaking to the BBC's Front Row in 2013, he said false rumours that Don't Look Now included a real sex scene were "very flattering" because it meant audiences thought the film was authentic.
"What you are looking for in anything is some sort of truth," he said.
Edgar Wright, the British director of Shaun of the Dead and Baby Driver, was among those who paid tribute to "a master of the art".
Duncan Jones, the director of Warcraft and son of David Bowie, paid tribute to the "incredible body of work" Roeg has left, saying it inspired his own "ongoing love of filmmaking".
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This is very sad. Walkabout is one of my favorite films of all time.
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4 hours ago, Bogie56 said:
I would say that score is very low for Citizen Kane. It may just show who votes on these films via the imdb.
Many times people create a bunch of fake accounts to give the movie they like a 10 so it will be in the IMDB Top 250 list. They also downvote higher rated movies out of the list even if they haven't seen them.
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22 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:
Is The Tenant a foreign language film? If so, then it will be at the top of my list. I've seen it a few times, but I don't recall their being much subtitled dialogue, despite the European setting. It's been a while though, so I'll defer to the judges' decision. Also, if we are including 1900, then that one is either at the top of my list or at #2. It is also one of the 1001 Movies You Must See.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074811/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv
The picture was filmed in both French and English languages.I think this is one of those films where each spoke in their own language. The cast is majority French and most of it looked dubbed.-
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1 hour ago, LawrenceA said:
1001 Movies You Must See
- Cria Cuervos, Carlos Saura, Spain
- In the Realm of the Senses, Nagisa Oshima, Japan
From the foreign editions-
1. The Judge and the Assassin, Bertrand Tavernier, French edition
2. Mr. Klein, Joseph Losey, French edition
3. Man on the Roof, Bo Widerberg, Swedish edition
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My top FF films of 1976...
1. I, Pierre Rivière, Having Slaughtered My Mother, Sister and Brother..., René Allio, France
2. Cria Cuervos, Carlos Saura, Spain
3. Fellini’s Casanova, Federico Fellini, Italy
4. In the Realm of the Senses, Nagisa Oshima, Japan
5. Heart of Glass, Werner Herzog, West Germany
6. Salon Kitty, Tinto Brass, France
7. Jonah Who Will Be 25 in the Year 2000, Alain Tanner, Switzerland
8. The Battle of Chile: Part II, Patricio Guzmán, Chile
9. Kings of the Road, Wim Wenders, West Germany
10. A Slave of Love, Nikita Mikhalkov, Russia
Shaolin Temple, Chang Cheh, Hong Kong
SS Experiment Love Camp, Sergio Garrone, Italy
Exit the Dragon, Enter the Tiger, Tso Nam Lee, Taiwan
Deported Women of the SS Special Section, Rino Di Silvestro, Italy
Return of the Kung Fu Dragon, Yu Chi-Lien & Yu Kang, Taiwan
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31 minutes ago, TopBilled said:
Obviously war (the Second World War) increased the amount of noir elements in films during the 1940s. That's probably because of all the killing, all the death. Allied soldiers had gone off and committed murder in the name of patriotism and anti-Nazism. Murder was on everyone's mind after Victory had been declared. Outwardly they were celebrating but inwardly they knew they had been reduced to taking lives, a lot of lives.
We see the toll it takes on the individual in a film like THE BLUE DAHLIA, where we have men (Alan Ladd, William Bendix, Hugh Beaumont) returning home from the war. They have to deal with the psychological scars of what they experienced. They experienced mass murder.
A friend of mine who knew Audie Murphy said he tried to joke about it (though he obviously suffered PTSD). According to her, he used to say his tombstone should read: "I killed how many Germans?!" What was it-- hundreds, thousands? Even he didn't really know. Life had become so meaningless as a killing machine for Uncle Sam. He was lauded as a hero, lauded for having committed as much homicide as he possibly could.
Yeah, I get WWII's relation to noir and how the genre came about. I do disagree that noir is about murder though. I think the important part of the genre is the cinematography and use of shadows and morally ambiguous characters. From what I've seen, that is the most important way of defining the genre than just the murders.
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8 minutes ago, Fedya said:
The Swarm needs killing, but it's not noirish. Ditto The Andromeda Strain.
Pretty much every war movie has killing in it too. Same for most sci fi and horror movies.
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6 hours ago, TopBilled said:
Currently rating for this film on the IMDb:
Compared to:
Yeah, not even close to Citizen Kane. I even prefer the Stranger (which I think is underrated).
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Yeah, Garbage Pail Kids isn't even one of the "so bad it's good" movies. It's just extremely unfunny, unentertaining garbage. I'd rather rewatch Ten Zan: the Ultimate Mission 5 times in a row.
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That's ONE way to put it I've not heard before...
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There seems to be a lot of disagreement over what the definition of noir is. I saw this documentary on PBS a few years ago and enjoyed it very much. For me personally, I use it when deciphering if something is noir or not.