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  1. Just now, speedracer5 said:

    Are there any classic films where the villain wins?

    In the original novel of Mildred Pierce, Veda comes out on top; but of course, in Hollywood, that couldn't happen.

    In the HBO remake she does too, but it wasn't allowed to happen in the studio/Production Code era of Hollywood as you say.

    I really wish though that they would have kept in the 1945 version of Mildred finally washing her hands of Vera, rather than having her mourn  the arrest  of her still ungrateful and unloving wretch of a daughter.

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  2. 25 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:

    Actually it was just his granddaughter, as the girl's Mother/sister got killed.  He wound up with less than he had before, which in my book isn't necessarily "on top", nor did he either "win over" the hero.

    Sepiatone

    (SPOILER ALERT) Noah gets to keep his good name and keep getting away with his dirty dealings. He'll probably end up doing to poor Katharine what he did to Evelyn, where as Jake Gittes just wanted to help Evelyn protect Katharine from Noah, which is what Jake in the end failed to do (biggest mistake he made IMO was confronting Noah and letting him know he was on to him).

    So yes Noah did end up the victor in here, no matter which way you want to look at it.

  3. Just now, Sepiatone said:

    I don't recall ANY villain coming out "on top" in CHINATOWN.  Maybe just "getting away with it".

    Sepiatone

    (SPOILER ALERT) Well Noah got away with murder, walked away with his daughter/granddaughter in his grasp, and will very likely continue to prosper through his corruption.

    If that isn't coming out on top, I don't know what is.

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  4. There are bad guys, and guys who are just plain ROTTEN to the core.

    I can't say that, as entertaining and fun as they are to watch, I've ever rooted for the bad buy to come out victorious.

    I know I wanted Scorpio in DIRTY HARRY and Commodus in GLADIATOR to get theirs, they are so despicable they are almost difficult to watch (no slight on the actors though, they did an excellent job acting wise to make me feel that way).

    Entertaining as they are to watch, I never rooted for Hans in DIE HARD or Cody Jarrett in WHITE HEAT to get away.  They killed or were willing to kill to achieve their ends.  They were cold-blooded and unrepentant to the end. While I can sort of understand why some would feel sorry for Cody and root for him, and it's impossible to argue against Cagney playing him with so much gutso and charisma, at the end of his day he was still an unpredictable psycho. Though at the end of the film, I guess you could say he did get the last laugh in a way.

    Though I will say there are instances in certain films (CHINATOWN for example) where the villain does come out on top and wins over the hero in the end, and it actually enriches the film even more.

     

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  5. On ‎2‎/‎25‎/‎2020 at 12:14 PM, Det Jim McLeod said:

    And Hattie McDaniel's Mammy character was one slave that wasn't afraid to get mouthy with her masters!

    Image result for hattie mcdaniel gone with the wind images

    I loved Hattie McDaniel in this here, because as you say, she wasn't shy from telling Scarlett how it is or should be (not that Scarlett listened to her advice anyway).

    I don't care what the politically crowd says, GONE WITH THE WIND remains IMO a classic movie for all time.

    There is only one Rhett Butler and that is Clark Gable (forgetting that monsterous TV sequel that will never be an equal to the original film). I always thought Scarlett was a fool for not realizing sooner than she did (and when it was too late too) that they were soulmates, that he was really the only one true man who really knew and understood her.  She really could be a spoiled twit at times.

    I realized though that Scarlett could be selfless as well as selfish and when it came to Tara she stood her ground. So she wasn't without her redeeming virtues.

    The ending is really downbeat.....Bonnie is dead, Melanie dies, Rhett leaves Scarlett for good....but still you can always count on Scarlett to keep on no matter what, another admirable trait.

    Will always love this movie no matter what.

     

     

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