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  1. Having seen this movie dozens of times, it's only in the last year or so I've truly come to understand the relationships between the characters. As a young girl I thought the romantic relationship was between Eliza and Professor Higgens. I was wrong. While they do enjoy a loving relationship, it is not a romantic one. (Compare even to the "original" Pygmalion from 1938.). It has become clear to me that Higgens and Pickering are in a relationship in this version. It's so blatant that I find it hard to believe that audiences in 1964 didn't pick up on this. He prefers the company
  2. Gaslight= I knew that you could do it, you did it, you did it. I knew that you could do it and, indeed you did! (Eliza clearly had nothing to do with "it". That's pure Gaslighting.)
  3. Thanks so much. This is MASSIVELY helpful! I think I first heart this term regarding Jet Li in Hero. Must have been "the symbolism in the mise-en-scene" and I've conflated those terms ever since. Really appreciate the clarification.
  4. Hey Darlene, it just takes time! It seems like these forums are probably helping you "see" movies in a different way. And I agree, I love being able to think about the foley part of a movie, which is critical, but I've never given much thought to before. I definitely think the more you talk to people about movies, the more naturally that analysis will come. My husband and I annoy everyone by talking during movies, but it's literally us analyzing movies the whole time (maybe killing the enjoyment???) and then discussing them afterwards. I'm just glad you're enjoying the movies, which is fa
  5. I had always understood this term, mise-en-scene, to be tied to symbolism. Like how the literal set, costumes, etc., can reinforce themes or motifs, for example, the emotional state of the characters or the scene itself. An off-the-cuff example could be Cyd Charisse's green costume in Singing in the Rain could symbolize the jealousy Gene Kelly's character feels about her with regard to the coin-flipping gangster. Literally "green with envy" type of thing. I've always used this term with a connotation of symbolism, perhaps I've been wrong?
  6. 2. I noticed the husband/wife are wearing complementary outfits of cool gray and white, while the other two are in blue shades. I also noticed the geometric patterns, in every ensemble. Her skirt and Fred's stripes being the obvious examples. But one character has dark blue rectangles on the shoulders of his lighter blue shirt. The husband's blazer also has a subtle geometric pattern. Watching today, I sort of think this indicates the "straight" laced or "square" trope that the powers that be wanted us to think the '50s stood for. I'm sure I'm being anachronistic, but it makes me wonder
  7. 1. I think the beginning movements are quieter, shorter, clipped which does sync up with their singing. As they go along, the singing and movements become bigger, louder, more grandiose. He holds the big pose when he sings "Moooooooo--ses". 2. The professor is a great straight man. Watch him in the beginning- he's so pleased with himself, thinking" Yes, excellent phonetics, I'm an excellent teacher". As they go on, it's like "yes, yes, this is still phonetics." And by the end he's like "is this still phonetics? Is this thing off rails?" It's as if he thinks he's a wonderful teach
  8. I agree! I totally got into The Broadway Melody because I recognized so much from Singin in the Rain. Having watched this movie so much as a kid, I think it really helped me connect with the '30s musicals. Turns out I love the '30s musicals. So great full to take this class to be able to appreciate movies I've never seen before. Oh, and Dr. ament being a foley artist and speaking on perspective of the challenges of that subject immediately made me think of the scene in SitR where her necklace beads are being picked up by the mic. And subsequent takes with varying degrees of disaster/
  9. Thank you for bringing up South Pacific because I LOVED this movie as a kid. Although I haven't seen it in like, twenty years. I was reading about it a while ago and that's when I realized it was offensive! I think I was so caught up in the romance of the whole thing that the larger, cultural issues probably escaped me when I was younger. I'd really like to watch it again and wish it were playing on TCM. (Think this has something to do with the distribution rights, as mentioned in other threads.) Your thoughts here make me reiterate the notion that things can still have merit or valu
  10. I just want to say that I appreciate you fellow TCM fans for the thoughtful discussion here. I feel like TCM is the one place where anyone of any group can come together and appreciate Classic movies in a respectful, thought provoking manner. As a millennial (I still prefer to consider myself Gen Y haha) I've recused myself from all other social media, it's too vitriolic. Just to say, I really appreciate the TCM forum and this course for its civility, even dealing with topics of race and gender equality which can be hard for people to talk about. Of course people are emotional or passionate
  11. oh, and I wanted to touch on Lover-o-classics mention of Yul Brenner. I agree his performance is great, and to my mind he's the best version of this character I've seen. The version with Rex Harrison as the king felt really weird to me. Much as I love Rex I just can't love this movie. Maybe it's because I saw The King & I before Anna and the King of Siam. I have a hard time believing Rex Harrison is from Thailand.
  12. Interesting topic. I agree about Paul Muni and Luise Rainer. Myrna Loy was originally cast as "exotic" in a number of early films, a fact that I think puzzled her. And I Totally agree about Mickey Rooney's (mis)casting in Breakfast at Tiffany's. A musical we haven't discussed in class, South Pacific, has an African American actress, Juanita Hall, playing Tonkinese character, Bloody Mary. Apparently she was personally chosen for the role by Rodgers and Hammerstein in the original stage production. Curious that her singing voice is dubbed for the movie version. She also played a Chines
  13. I'm just getting into these older musicals, thanks to the class. Grew up watching my Fair Lady, Singing in the Rain, Whit Christmas, South Pacific, etc.. Through the this course I've gone to notice the performers' strengths. So, Fred is dynamite (never seen him before a few months ago on TCM.) Forget the line "Can't act. Slightly balding.Also dances," the guy oozes charisma!!! What I find interesting is the talent Poole. Who dances wellvs sings well, vs Acts, well? Fred is a triple threat. His looks have grown on me as he's suave AF and can tap out a tune. I always loved Gene Kelly,
  14. Um, what musical as Russ Tamblyn in? I just finishe Twin Peaks and would Love some suggestions. Thanks!!!
  15. #1 so many here have answered so well, but my two cents is this: Whether Petunia is kneeling at Joe's bedside or hanging laundry, or folding it, or washing dishes, her conscious mind is preoccupied with Little Joe. To wit, lil joe is not the be all end all motivation for Petunia. Petunia's motivation, salvation, preoccupation, is God. But on Earth, she cares for little Joe and his immortal soul. Joe brings her happiness, but to her that happiness is a manifestation of Gods love. It is not degrading, or demeaning, that she does laundry or keeps a house. It's an honest job
  16. I loved this movie! Of course, it's hard not to be anachronistic when analyzing a film from the past. Today we can see not only the negative stereotypes, but crucially the impact these stereotypes had on audiences. Perhaps things would have been different if the production team were all black as well as the cast. That being said, I liked it more than Broadway Melody. Not only were the songs better, but there were way more of them. I liked the fly on the wall approach as opposed to the straight on stage view. It's hard to believe the actors were mostly untrained. This f
  17. Hi, I believe the quiz is due June 30 at 10:59pm. You don't have to take it today, however they do recommend taking it before starting week 2 for clarity. Best!
  18. First thing's first:. It's technically SEPIA, not black & white, not grayscale. At least on my Telly. That's what gives it a warmth, even though you "think" there's no color. There is. B&w "Color" is pulled to RED It'is really interesting to view it, not only as an adult, but as an adult "student" of classic films. There's a historical/cultural/theoretical view of this film that proposes it's an allegory for the "gold standard" that William Jennings Bryan was rallying against. Good witches of North (and South) vs. so-called wicked witches of East and West. East and West being
  19. My Fair Lady has always been a favorite. "And what I say is: them as pinched it, done her in." Why? Storyline, acting, character development, musical numbers, set design and more. TCM TRIVIA:" For Henry Higgins, the stage's most famous phonetician, he originally sought Cary Grant. But Grant, gearing up for his own retirement, quipped, "Not only will I not play Higgins, but if you don't use Rex Harrison, I won't even go to the film." http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/84310/My-Fair-Lady/articles.html
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