msladysoul
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Why don't you all stop comparing. You'll never get two people on agree on who's better. Their both good who had their own styles. I'm not a big fan of either one but their good to me in certain movies.
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Linda is one of the most beautiful women in Hollywood. All of us have two eyes, nose and a mouth...I guess it's how it's shaped that determines beauty. She never seemed happy, she wanted to commit suicide early on, men only wanted her for one thing. I read somewhere people told her she had no talent just beauty, that's hard for being to hear. I hate she had such a terrible life which goes to show beauty doesn't determine, good life or bad life and that your exempt from badness and suffering in life. Men just took advantage of her. I wonder did she think cause she was beautiful that nothing could ever happen to her and that men would never hurt her? Well, it seems when you have beauty, your more of a target to get hurt, men want you more to take advantage of you and hurt you. Maybe being in Hollywood, hurt her, if she led a normal life maybe she could of gotten that "good guy." You can't have it all... beauty, riches, fame, and happiness. It seems you get the other three but happiness is never one for women in Hollywood.
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I also read that Pablo Picasso was head over heels for Baker and they maybe bedded.
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I often wonder what would it had been like if Josephine Baker would have been in Hollywood. In Europe she was a goddess, worshipped. Being the wild, unpredictable, extrovert, who made her own rules it would of been interesting if she had been in Hollywood. I know she would of took them by storm, they probably would of had to run her out, because she wouldn't have stayed in her place like they wanted her to. Maybe she could have been the one to stop the stereotypying with because when you see her you can't take your eyes off of her, you forgot color and look at her great energy, charisma, personality, enormous sex appeal. She was always complimented on her beautiful form. Whether she would of made it or not in Hollywood, I know for sure she would of created a lot of talk and left her mark and would of really kicked the door open on sex and race. She really would of gave the actresses a run for their money for sure when it came to the men and other women cause when she was around, no one had a chance. She was practically kicked out of the U.S. Did it have to do with her free-ness and open-ness or her being black and free and open?
I remember someone saying before Madonna, before Marilyn, before Jean, there was Josephine Baker. Men fought, killed themselves for her. She's a woman who can really make you envioius and irresistible to any man. She was one of few who made you forgot her race and look at her beauty. She dismissed any myths that someone of her race couldn't be alluring, mysterious, exotic. Of course, she wasn't the first or last but publicly she proved a lot wrong.Marlene Dietrich always reminds me of her. What Dietrich was doing here in the U.S., Baker was doing in Europe, quite of a coincidence. I was reading when Bob Hope was in Ziegfield Follies with her he had somewhat of a crush...shocked? Why? I found when it comes to man, if you have what she has, race can be overlooked... if a woman has beauty, race isn't so important.
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I read around these boards that most don't like Ruby Keeler and can't see how in the world she made it. I wonder did her dating a gangster before Al Jolson have anything to with her making it. I was reading a movie summary of the movie Broadway Through a Keyhole which said is based on Ruby Keeler's early life and her and Al Jolson's relationship. The gangster she dated had some influence in getting her parts and roles on stage and screen.
Do did her relationship with a gangster help her career than her dating with Al Jolson, the greatest entertainer in the world help her as well?
Not to say that Ruby didn't have some type of charm and talent to make it. I guess Ruby wasn't as innocent as we like to think. I'll have to see this movie. Constance Cummings plays Ruby's part, I see a resemblance. Constance was also a good dancer and good actress, so it would be fun to watch.
Here's the info I found on the movie...
Broadway Through a Keyhole is based so exactly on the courtship of Ruby Keeler and Al Jolson that Jolson, having read the script, knocked out Walter Winchell when they met accidentally at the Hollywood American Legion stadium on the night of July 21, 1933. Keeler, who was a dancer at Texas Guinan's nightclub, was dating gangster Larry Fay when she met Jolson. Fay visited Jolson after hearing of this just to tell him that he could marry her.
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Who's been acclaimed by critics, prominent people in Hollywood in their opinion as the most beautiful on screen?
Here's my list.
Greta Garbo
Billie Dove in the early 1930's was called the most beautiful woman on screen.
Nina Mae McKinney
Dolores del Rio- yes indeed
Hedy Lamarr
Gene Tierney- I agree
Ava Gardner
I don't know if Rita Hayworth was ever called the most beautiful.
Ava to me was pretty or gorgeous but as the most beautiful, I don't think so but what I say don't count. She looks more handsome then beautiful, if you know what I mean? She had alot of harden features. I didn't like her with her hair short, the way they wore it in the 1950's. As for Hedy, she doesn't move me much. I never found her the most beautiful.
We got have 2 eyes, a nose and a mouth. I guess it's the way it's shaped that makes you ugly or pretty.
Who should of been called the most beautiful in my books is...
Nancy Carroll
Joan Blondell. She was so sexy and beautiful.
Virginia Mayo
Frances Gifford
Ann Sheridan
Dorothy Van Engle...a rare beauty
Francine Everett...perfect face
Dolores Moran- Marilyn Monroe move out the way.
Willor Lee Guilford
Ruby Keeler- she was the most prettiest and sweetest of the screen.
Myrna Loy
What's your list.
We all can never agree on one beauty. That shows our versatility. What looks good to us in our opinion, may not to the other. I would like to know what the fans find as beauty? What makes a woman beautiful?
Beautiful to me is one who's rare and no one resembles. I see so many Lana Turner's, Marilyn Monroe's, Betty Grable's. Their all american blonde and blue eyed girls. Beauty also is a way you carry yourself. I found as soon as I read about one's life, their beauty seem to fade.
Beauty isn't hard to attain. If we had used on us expensive makeup and professional makeup artists (who know the tricks and the trades) we could be called the most beautiful to. I believe in the illusion to so let me not kill it. I guess I want to ask how do we know who was naturally beautiful? I was reading about how Clara Bow wasn't so beautiful in the beginning of her career but she became one. That's true with many, when you look at them before Hollywood or in the beginning of their career, they were average looking girls.
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I hope you return Holly. The only way to deal with rude ones is try to ignore them. Some enjoy your post. Add on to the already ongoing discussions.
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If you could make one classic star your wife or husband who would it be? Most importantly, forget about the screen image, as their true selves who would suit you, since some of us know how some of these classic stars really were in real life, what would you add to them that you like about another star but would like your "ideal" to have or what bad trait would you take away from them to make them your ideal companion? Personality, body type, voice, etc.
For example, some of your ladies may say Cary Grant but you would take away this for Clark Gable's that or Marilyn Monroe could be your choice but you would take away her this for Joan Crawford's sophistication. You get the picture!
I think this is going to be interesting to hear your answers.
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Has times really changed though? Back in those days, in the movies women may have forgived but in real life it wasn't happening, some of them were actually shocked at it, never thinking it could happen to them. I think the movies then tried to show what was really going on in society, showing it wasn't as innocent and pure as they thought. Today, it's like women expect their men to cheat and they stay with them, both cheat to get back at each other.
How's this for a double standard. If a woman cheats a man can't forgive but women are expected to forgive a man. You know men will be men but if a woman does it she's every bad name in the book.
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I hate to say it but women can be catty just like in The Women. When a man cheats everyone in the world knows but you but they sure patronize you about it. I wouldn't have gone back to Stephen unless he came to me. But the movie did show what goes around comes around. The same women who were gossiping were the same ones who's husband left them, they never thought it would happen to them.
Funny, when women get older they don't feel they need a younger man to feel young. Women seem to stay young in heart which keeps them young. Women can also change their hair, styles of clothes to feel younger to.
The movie also had another reality, that mistresses are only that, just a quick fling or thrill.
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Dick Powell stole my heart. His voice does something to me. It gets deep within me and just can stop my heart and makes me all warm. He gives me goosebumps. I never get tried of listening to him. His charm, youthful boyish looks are handsome, his humor, just great. I love him to death.
As far as female, Nina Mae McKinney stole my heart 3 years ago. Her role in Hallelujah stays in my heart. Her beauty, energy, vivaciousness, full of life, sex appeal, youth is something I envy. She's one of my favorite actresses and because of her she introduced me to a great era of classic movies and entertainment.
Ruby Keeler's sweetness got my heart. The sweetest woman in movie history. Ann Sheridan is another favorite. She's just a natural, loveable actress. She can make the dulliest movie watchable.
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Hello Holly.
It's good to see someone else of my generation into classic movies and entertainment. I am full fledged. My classic movies are growing. I'm trying to learn about all the classic stars, superstars, starlets, bit players, you name it. I wanna see them. I'm starting to get into the classic stars not very known or talked about today but popular in their time like Nancy Carroll, Helen Twelvetrees, Anita Page, Leila Hyams, Billie Dove, Ann Dvorak, Laura LaPlante, Patsy Kelly. I wanna see them and give them their due.
I suggest a few great movies for you. Hallelujah starring Nina Mae McKinney. Three on a Match, Dance of Life, The Broadway Melody, Night Nurse, War Nurses, Cry Havoc, The Prizefighter and the Lady, Seven Sweethearts, Blessed Event.
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Today's generation which I'm apart of traded talent for garbage.
Dancing for one, ha, the black and white girls only shake their behind and call it dancing. Ginger Rogers, Rita Hayworth, Ann Dvorak, Eunice Wilson, Marilyn Miller, Josephine Baker would dance circles around these Britney Spears, Aguilera, Beyonce, Janet Jackson and whomever else.
Singing. Well as a fan of singing. All the singers today sound alike. Do they really have to be so explicit and demean themselves to get a song over. Yesteryears knew how to write, sing, and put over songs. They knew how to use simplicity to make a song breathtaking. They didn't have to be so obvious about sex. Sex sells, today generations say. Sure it does, but sex appeal and sex are two different things. Movie stars and entertainers always had sex appeal. Today's entertainers are selling sex. That's what's wrong. I thought we already had a porn industry now their bringing it into movies and mainstream entertainment.
Movies are junk today. Stars back then took us into dreamland. They created images, illusions for themselves and the movies. They knew how to make us use our imagination. They didn't have to be so explicit, curse, or be nude to be sexual. The entertainment back then was the best and breathtaking from the blacks and whites. We will never see an era like that again. Today's so called entertainers should watch and take note of the classic stars because their real performers and the kind I would want to be.
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Was he debonair in real life?
I'm getting tried of having my heart broken falling in love with these debonaire, charming, handsome leading man then reading biographies and finding out they really weren't so, they were good actors, huh?
Cary Grant said even he wish he was Cary Grant. I knew it was too perfect to be true.
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Well, people do make mistakes. But every relationship has its different stories of cheating.
I don't think I would forgive. I forgive a man if he came to me and said he was in love with another woman and wanted to be with her, people fall out of love you know, I forgive that, then to just cheat and let me find out from others. But men want their cake and eat it to. Not only is you breaking a promise to me, your breaking one to God one your surely to pay. How can you ever trust again?
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After seeing Dick this morning in Blessed Event with Lee Tracy. I have to say he is the best crooner. The personality, charm, charisma. I loved it.
Most women would agree, most men are against him cause of envy.
He should of recorded like Bing and Sinatra. I can't believe he didn't really like his voice but most singers are modest that way. I would love to see Dick and Judy Garland singing together both of them really can belt a song.
I agree that he was like two different men in his switch from boy next door, every girl's dream guy to tough, hard roles. He liked that better then his singing days.
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That is very interesting prop cigarettes. Now when I'm watching classics, I'll be thinking is that real or not.
Maybe Fred didn't smoke or wasn't a heavy smoker or just did it for the movies but I often wonder when I see the dancers smoking how they weren't out of breath dancing.
Gene Kelly seem to always smoke. Or was that a prop cigarette? Judy Garland smoked but probably wasn't a heavy smoker. Ann Dvorak (a fine dancer) smoked, Betty Grable smoked, Joan Crawford, Rita Hayworth smoked, they danced well. Ginger Rogers said in her book, she smoked but quit. Ginger can be annoying at times but you gotta love her.
Your right, classic movies wouldn't be the same without the cigarette smoking. I read those articles to that has a classic star saying, these cigarettes are kind to your throat. I be like yeah right.
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Oh, shainabluegirl. I have a few suggestions.
Watch Nina Mae McKinney in Hallelujah. A great, moving movie.
Safe In Hell
The Dance of Life
Night Nurse
The Broadway Melody
War Nurses
Night Court
Cry Havoc
Thirteen Women
Moon Over Harlem
Big City Blues
Kings Row
Three on a match
These movies are great. Take my word for it.
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Is everyone on here a fan of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers?
There's no denying their great but do everyone find them breathtaking?
Their wonderful but I can take them or leave them.
I go for single dancers more.
I wanted to get you all comments. Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly was smokers, right? I've seen him smoking quite a lot. How was he able to dance? Today they say smoking damages your lungs, makes you tried, shortness of breath but he didn't look tried dancing. Maybe he took vitamins or something to keep him in shape. A relative of mine smokes and is a dancer, she had to quit smoking because she was always short of breath and would get tried.
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How do you feel about starting a classic movie game? That would be fun to test our class movie minds.
Something like name that tune in a movie? Who said that line? What job did so and so have in the movie? What did so and so do after she lit her cigarette...something like that, you know what I mean? Someone can start us off.
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Oh I love that short The Winnah. Dorothy Dare and Florence Lake are wonderful. I love vivacious, pretty Dorothy Dare and her amazing voice. Florence was annoying but fun.
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I love Dick Powell. Especially in his crooning days. I can't get enough of that voice. I think he was the best of the crooners. So many of them sounded the similar like Bing, Sinatra, Rust Columbo and Al Jolson is just too loud for me but I can see why audience liked him. He's lively and energetic. No one sounded like Dick Powell. I swear I swoon when I hear him and I'm not the swooning type. I love his pairing with Ruby Keeler. They just looked so real together. He was paired with many other women but Ruby and him looked realistic. No one audiences liked them together. They looked so young, vibrant, perfect together...America's Sweetheart. Dick is so charming, has those pretty boy looks. Ruby looked as pretty as a button. Dick could sing anything and still have that moving, stop you in your tracks voice. In Cowboy from Brooklyn, he sung this country song that would bring tears to your eyes and I'm not into country.
I have to get into watching Dick Powell gangster/tough guy films of the 1940's and 1950's. I remember seeing him once in the movie with Claire Trevor but I didn't like it. I wasn't use to him not singing.
Dick Powell isn't known much for his singing now and days. Maybe if he had recorded more like Sinatra and Crosby and gotten good musical roles in the 1940's...maybe. But he didn't want to sing anymore. But anyone who hears him it is a treat. There's a cd out with the songs on it that he sung in movies.
Wouldn't it have been amazing to hear him with Judy Garland? I'm not so mad he married Joan Blondell and June Allyson because I liked them a lot.
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Does anyone know anything about Dorothy Dare?
She was a pretty, vivacious singer. What a voice. A little girl with a big voice full of expression and vibrant. She was quite a few shorts and a few full featured films. I guess she best known for her role in Golddiggers of 1935. But she showed much more talent in the 20 min shorts. I loved her in Private Lessons where she sung "Red Headed and Blue." She could move you with a uptempo song just the same with a slow one. She still alive today. I bet she has a lot of great stories, TCM, Robert Osborne should interview her. I'm a fan and would love to know more. She wasn't a big star but she's one of the last few talents of that era.
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Does anyone here own the movie Sunny starring Marilyn Miller? I be looking for this movie for so long. I would love to see this movie. Please let me know, my email is msladysoul@aol.com
Beauty and Talent standards of the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s
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One poster prompted me to start a topic on beauty of the times. It's interesting what was considered beauty in the different eras and generations. What was considered beautiful in the 1920's, isn't considered beautiful in the 1940's or even today.
A lot of women from the 1920's were called the most beautiful and I look and wonder why like Olive Thomas, Barbara Lamarr and a lot of us don't see it but people did then. Their beauty was the sign of the times I guess. It's hard to describe the 1920's beauty...maybe, delicate, angelic, fragile looks.
1930's and 1940's beauty was beauty that could be related to by all eras, Billie Dove, I can see why she was called the most beautiful. The 1930's beauty to me was wild, unpredictable, and stylish. The 1940's beauty standards were classic, elegant, breathtaking.
I know I shouldn't talk but honestly maybe I need to be there in the 1920's to see why certain things were considered beauty and talent but I can't see Olive Thomas and Barbara Lamarr as the most beautiful. There's a documentary on Olive Thomas called The Most Beautiful Girl in the World, who was one of Ziegfield Follies and a early movie star who was married to Jack Pickford, who died young either from accident or suicide.
If you take someone like Ruth Etting, Al Jolson, Billie Holiday and put them in today's era they wouldn't be considered talented or could sing or even beautiful.
How do you all feel? Is there someone you thought wasn't so hot and wondered why people felt so than?