msladysoul
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Right, Ruby wasn't in the same league, Hot rhythm and syncopation, isn't something everyone can do. You got to be talented to dance in that style. If you like that fancy stuff, then you like Eleanor and Cyd. Ann Miller had hot rhythm and syncopation.
Ruby wasn't really given a chance to grow as a dancer though. But she's remembered more over Vera-Ellen, Eleanor Powell, Ann Miller, and Cyd Charisse. There's books on Ruby and a documentary.
Ruby wasn't as bad an actress as Joan Crawford overacting. Ruby worked well with what they gave her. They didn't require serious acting from her.
Marion Davies the one look like she dances with bulky combat boots, but she was still used in dancing scenes.
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nickdimeo let me see you dance, since your judging, you must think your better, you might dance like your wearing bulky combat boots on. I like to size you two up.
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your right bggalaxy. They all were wonderful. I can't compare. Even though I am a skilled dancer and singer and can do some of the things they do. I still think their wonderful. I can't put one over another.
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If you don't like what I say don't reply, don't read it. I think what I want about Hedy Lamarr, just the same as nickdimeo think Ruby Keeler is a bad dancer and bad actress. He attacked Ruby, but am I complaining, that's his opinion.
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When I think of Golden Era I just think of class, elegance, beauty, greatness and talent which we will never see again in this lifetime.
All the classic stars made the Golden Era what it is today. They all wow us with their beauty and talent. Not only that, they changed the world with their presence and their styles.
Clara Bow made women be more independent and to follow their own road and be sexually free and wild, enjoy your youth, Jean Harlow taught women how to be sexy but innocent, Mae West said what everyone else was afraid to say, Garbo taught us being mysterious is appealing, Crawford and Shearer taught women to be ladies, Ruby Keeler gave hope to every girl in the depression that if she made it, they could also.
It's just so many reasons they made the Golden Era great.
Not only did people go to the movies for entertainment, they learn also from these stars. Stars then shaped their times. Whatever was done in the movies, people in the world would do.
That's the reason why these people are remembered, they were not just stars, they shaped their time, they were role models. As Bette Davis said movie stars were the only royalty America had. Stars made themselves appear to be perfect in every way, they lived up to that star status of being great, beautiful, and talented, which they knew the world wanted being bigger then life. Studios back then respected their stars, they made them appear pefect in every way, they didn't air their dirty laundry, like today's star, they live for bad publicity, they do all their dirt in the public eye, so they can be popular. No wonder the world is a mess today.
Columnist, interviews then respected their stars, yeah they liked a little gossip but they respected their stars, which today the paparazzi do not. Being looked at as perfect and good isn't acceptable today. People live for seeing stars do bad things, it makes them popular, which shows you how times have changed.
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I'm not a big Bette Davis fan but I do love The Catered Affair. I can watch that all day.
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littletramplover, I didn't try to turn this into a racial thing. It's just that when I name some of the black beauties of the screen, not Hollywood screen though and a person had something negative to say to me, like, I don't know them, who are they. I tried to explain, I felt some racial comments were said. Hollywood had few black beauties on the screen, not for longevity but they got a chance. Nina Mae was the only one who really got to show her talents in many films in Hollywood and Europe.
We all know why they didn't want to use too many black beauties, they didn't want competition, they weren't ready for a Black to be fully beautiful and glamourous, that's why they usually used homely looking blacks in films, and they knew ignorant ones in the world would be offended, and they wasn't ready to show black beauties were as beautiful and sultry as the whites. But they got to let their light shine in the independent black cast films. Midnight Ramble is pretty good but there's dozens of actresses that weren't included. Nina Mae, Lena, Dorothy, Fredi Washington, Mildred Washington, Theresa Harris were few beauties of Hollywood but the ones of the independent screen are the ones who should be known for their beauties and talents, its good to see others are getting to know them.
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littletramplover, I didn't try to turn this into a racial thing. It's just that when I name some of the black beauties of the screen, not Hollywood screen though and a person had something negative to say to me, like, I don't know them, who are they. I tried to explain, I felt some racial comments were said. Hollywood had few black beauties on the screen, not for longevity but they got a chance. Nina Mae was the only one who really got to show her talents in many films in Hollywood and Europe.
We all know why they didn't want to use too many black beauties, they didn't want competition, they weren't ready for a Black to be fully beautiful and glamourous, that's why they usually used homely looking blacks in films, and they knew ignorant ones in the world would be offended, and they wasn't ready to show black beauties were as beautiful and sultry as the whites. But they got to let their light shine in the independent black cast films. Midnight Ramble is pretty good but there's dozens of actresses that weren't included. Nina Mae, Lena, Dorothy, Fredi Washington, Mildred Washington, Theresa Harris were few beauties of Hollywood but the ones of the independent screen are the ones who should be known for their beauties and talents, its good to see others are getting to know them.
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nickdimeo, you probably haven't even seen all her dancing films. Have you seen Colleen, Dames, Golddiggers, Sweetheart of the campus, and others. Cyd Charisse dancing is nothing about all that fancy stuff, I don't care about that, I like that hot rhythm, syncopation which Ruby Keeler, Ginger Rogers, Ann Miller, and Eleanor Powell had. That's what's wrong with these film scholars, they judge too close, instead of looking at the talent. I'm glad Ruby had her own way of dancing, Movies would of been boring if everyone danced a like.
Ruby was never choreographed the way MGM did their dancing stars, had she been with MGM and danced with Fred Astaire you would of saw how great she was, and maybe an improvement. Astaire wished to dance with her, so that tells you something.
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Moviejoe and others, If you don't like what I write don't read it.
It's good to see others who think she isn't the most beautiful in the world.
You right she had no oomph, oomph means hot, sexy, irrestible, always having that extra appeal
bggalaxy, I know you don't mean Elizabeth Taylor, but Elizabeth was a beauty in her younger days. She had the perfect face and her sex appeal was wowing.
Even though I'm not a fan.
No I don't have a problem with Hedy, I just have a problem when others are put over others when they haven't seen the rest. Well, L.B. Mayer thought all his girls were beautiful, especially if he could get them in bed.
All the beauties of the golden era were lovely, but I'm just saying. Hedy just is too plain and dull for me. She lack that wow. Maybe she wasn't as sexy as others because she felt she was a good actress and didn't need to do that, maybe she felt she was being classy and sophisticated, but maybe if she would have been more wowing, she would of lasted longer. She lacked that extra oomph for me, she wasn't as sexy and sultry for me like Lana Turner, Joan Crawford, Dietrich, Harlow, Bow, Veronica Lake, Sheridan, Linda Darnell, Rita Hayworth, though most weren't great actresses, they still have sexiness and sultry to get them by and it made them look like they were good actresses and beautiful. Not meaning to offend anyone.
I wish she was as beautiful on the inside and she was on the outside.
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Love Jean Harlow. At first my thoughts of her were low, but after watching her I really love her. She's beautiful, because of her lively personality, spunk, energeticness, and her vivacious sex appeal. She's wonderful. But all in all she was a lady. I guess its true what they say about her- men wanted her, women wanted to be her friend. Had she lived who knows what would of happen, but I enjoyed what she did leave behind, and I love the way she often changed her look and style to show she wasn't a hussy or platinum blonde dumbie. Actresses today couldn't stand up against Harlow.
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Sorry honor her TCM.
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We all should pay tribute to the beautiful lady Anita Page. Anita Page was one of the biggest, beautiful star of her time in the late 1920s, early 1930s. Not only beautiful, a fine actress, she could play anything from sweet, native, innocent to tough, hard-nose dames. She's one of the last great left of early Hollywood. I hear she had a interesting life. TCM should do something on her, don't wait until she die then honor her. She has many great stories about herself and other stars of early Hollywood. TCM should interview her. Anita Page seem to be doing fine, she appears at a lot of places.
Has anyone ever sent her fan mail?
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I'm not so ready to draw blood, I know everyone has their favorite on screen. Don't get so mad when someone has their opinion about your favorite star. I know your probably glad to not see me because I would prove you wrong about Hedy Lamarr. But then again everyone has their taste.
Oh, you've seen thousands of beauties, sure, just as false as hedy being the most beautiful woman in films. Beauty is rare, not everyone is beautiful.
I'm not saying Hedy isn't pretty. I just felt she didn't do much but be plain-faced on screen, maybe she felt she was acting. In the time she came on screen, maybe she was the most beautiful woman in films at one point, but not long after her arrival when other beauties came they outshined her obviously because they didn't call her the most beautiful woman anymore. Her popularity didn't last long on screen, because others out did her.
Maybe if she was around today, I would think she was beautiful, because there are no real beauties on screen today.
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what's beautiful about her? no one has ever been able to tell me what?
She's just cold, no sex appeal, maybe she thought she was acting. Maybe if she gave me something more I would find her beautiful. Linda, Veronica, and Rita wasn't the best actress but they knew how to "work it" on screen.
Most people who aren't very attractive are jealous and find her beautiful.
Compare to the other beauties of her time, she'll have to be last on my list. Linda Darnell, Rita Hayworth, she couldn't stand with them. I rather look like Linda Darnell or Rita Hayworth anyday. Even Garbo had sex appeal. Marlene Dietrich especially. They look better then her on their worse day. I'm not a big fan of Ava Gardner, but I'll put her over Hedy.
I lossed respect for Hedy when she was half nude in that movie, she's not much of a lady, she showed me then she's not so beautiful and what she would do for a role. You all may find it sexy, but I didn't.
Well when I see every beautiful woman in the world, then I'll be able to say if she is or isn't.
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I wasn't trying to stir anything. Others post their opinion. I just don't find her the most beautiful woman in the world, what's beautiful about her? You haven't see every beautiful woman in the world, you haven't seen me or others? so how do you know she's the most beautiful, besides she's dead, so do you mean she's the most beautiful dead woman?
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No wonder they voted Ann Sheridan over Hedy Lamarr for the name "oomph" girl, Hedy didn't have no "oomph."
Some feel they have to call her the most beautiful woman in films because that's the title they gave her, but I'm not. Ann Sheridan over her any day.
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I looked at Hedy Lamarr and I'm sorry I just didn't see the most beautiful woman in films. I sat down and watched a couple of her films closely. I just don't see it.
She doesn't do anything for me, no sex appeal to me. I guess she felt my beauty is good enough, i don't have to do anything.
She looks old in some of her films, she looks to have a overbite, it doesn't look like she has much makeup on in most films, she looks like someone they took off the street and gave a million dollar makeover. But that's my opinion. Veronica Lake, Greta Garbo, Linda Darnell, Gene Tierney, and Lana Turner looks more beautiful then her, and I don't usually compare. But, everyone has their favorite girl. But I just had to say I didn't see the most beautiful woman in films, she's attractive though. I think someone over publicized her. I guess it was a publicity stunt. But most agree with me that she wasn't the most beautiful woman in films.
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nickdimeo
First off what I meant by great dancers was ones who appeared dancing often and started out as dancers, maybe they weren't greast as others but they were professional dancer first and started off. Joan Crawford and Marion Davies may not have been "great" by your standards, but their dancing was a product of their time and enjoyed by audiences then. I don't think Joan is all that great a actress either.
What Ruby Keeler movies are you watching. Ruby is a fine dancer, she may not do that high class dancing, but she makes you wanna get up and dance, she's fun to watch.
Ruby may not have had a chance to dance with Astaire but she danced with Cagney and they did a fine job.
Cagney was a great dancer, he showed some smooth moves in a few films. I know he wanted to dance more but that didn't look good on a tough guy.
I'm not a big fan of Astaire, I've seen dancers better then him, but since he was the first, he was looked at as great and was used more often then others.
George Murphy was a fine dancer, I like him better then Astaire.
Do you have to be considered great only if you dance with Astaire? I don't think so.
When Crawford danced with Astaire in Dancing Lady, he seem to be thrown off a little by Joan because she was wild a little in the movie and Astaire graceful.
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retrobella, yes the black community did know those stars very well, the white community didn't. They were aware of the independent films that blacks were trying to make to entertain them without the stereotypical garbage and aware of their beauty.
Most whites feel they have to name Dorothy Dandridge as a beauty, because she was one of the few, which she wasn't all that.
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Anita Page, don't forget Anita Page. The last great left of the Early Hollywood. She's around willing to talk, don't miss out, I don't think she has long to live. Anita has the some stories about herself and other stars of the time.
I would love to see Kathryn Grayson interviewed also, Esther Williams, and TCM should interview some of the B movie actresses, there's so many great ones left.
Even if a star is dead, interview their family member.
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Anything with Ruby Keeler gets me. Ruby is so irrestible, you can't help but like her, she's like the girl next door. Every guy wants a girl like her, Every girl wants to be her friend.
Its not a big surprise to me Ruby made it. Ruby made big during the depression time and she gave hope to every young girl through her performance.
Every girl could relate to her, and to her all american beauty. Her screen presence was just likeable, she was different from her screen rivals like glamourous, sexy, over the top Joan Crawford, Norma Shearer, Mae West, Jean Harlow, Kay Francis, Constance Bennett, Myrna Loy, Nancy Carroll and other stars of the time, Ruby wasn't the other woman.
I love Ruby with Dick Powell, her and Powell made the best screen couple, I don't like to see Powell with anyone but Ruby, he appeared with Joan Blondell and Gloria Stuart and Ginger Rogers but they didn't move me the way Powell and Ruby did. They were America's Sweetheart.
Ruby was just natural. She never thought much of her dancing, but her dancing makes you want to get up and dance, she makes it look so easy. She doesn't try to look all professional or graceful, she just dance and have fun with it.
Wonder if Ruby wasn't married to Al Jolson, would she have dated or married Dick Powell? what do you all think?
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We all know the great dancers of screen Bessie Love, Marilyn Miller, Nancy Caroll, Patsy Kelly, Joan Crawford, Marion Davies, Ruby Keeler, Eleanor Powell, Ginger Rogers, Rita Hayworth, Betty Grable, Ann Miller, Vera-Ellen, Cyd Charisse.
But what about the actresses who danced in films just as good as the above dancers I mentioned but were not trained, or professional or even started out as a dancer but danced just as good.
Here are some actresses who danced well, but not considered great dancers.
Clara Bow
Jean Harlow did some fancy footwork in a few films.
Barbara Stanwyck wowed me with her swing dancing in Lady of Burlesque
Ann Sheridan danced beautifully in many films.
Ann Sothern
June Allyson danced divine many times.
Judy Garland
Lana Turner
Martha Raye
Doris Day
Who are some more?
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For a little lady, she had a big voice, she was sensational. I wish singers singed like Langford, Faye, Landis, Sheridan, Day, and Raye. But, its just a dream.
Hedy Lamarr the most beautiful woman in films?
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my great aunt worked for Hedy Lamarr for a short period of time and told me about her. So I know. Like someone once said, a good way to find out how a person really is, to be their maid. So I heard about how she really was from someone who washed her clothes and cooked her meals and listen to.