FredCDobbs
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Also: why does everyone remark on how "fat" Bette is at the start of the film? What the hell? She weighs, like, 130 tops before she takes the padding off.
*sigh.
Well, that's "fat for Bette Davis". Fat for the rest of us might be 50 pounds more.
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I hear ya. Jerry is as key to Charlotte's new life as she is to Tina's. Poor guy has to go back to the cranky and/or crazy wife.
Did you ever notice how these "inconvenient" spouses generally got out of the way of the star crossed lovers in 1930's films? Not so much in the 1940's.
Yeah, and in real life, they can really get in the way!
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Well.... this being fiction, we can do anything we want to do with the ending.
The wife could have died. She could have filed for divorce.
I am unsatisfied with the ending, because Jerry gets pushed aside, while Charlotte gets all the money from the Vale estate, the Doctor gets a new donated wing for his hospital from Vale money, Charlette gets her friendship with Tina, and Tina gets Charlotte. While ol' Jerry is stuck with his awful wife and ends up miserable and unhappy, although he is a very nice and honorable guy, and a great hero in this movie and in Charlotte's life. Without him, there would have been no new Charlotte and no happy Tina.
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I think she got fed up with him taking a cigarette out of his mouth and putting it in hers.
She wouldn't even kiss the guy at the end. Tina loved both of them. Charlotte loved both of them. His wife was miserable with him and Tina.
If they married Charlotte, could have continued to work and play with Tina and also work on her building plans for expansion of the clinic, and travel with both Tina and Jerry.
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Why didn't Charlotte want to marry Jerry at the end?
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She was mainly known to us as an older woman in movies. She wasn't very attractive.
She was beautiful when she was young and on the stage, but none of us are old enough to have seen any of her plays.
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Me too.
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I'll disqualify myself. I've known this girl's image for many years and I just love her most famous film.
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I find it hard to believe how seriously some folks take films
Well, it's just like any form of entertainment. I know people who take baseball very seriously... also football, NASCAR, basketball. Others take music very seriously, either rock, classical, opera, or other kinds. Also, travel, fishing, hunting, hiking, and all kinds of other hobbies.
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The WIZARD OF OZ and CASABLANCA clips are specifically advertising TCM, since that is the only channel that plays these films regulary. I didn't recognize any other channel in the commercial.
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FredCDobbs--TCM is showing Saratoga Trunk again in Oct at 2:00 p.m. E.S.T.--Ingrid Bergman has never been funnier (on purpose), & ST is one of the rare films (away from Frank Capra) to show Gary Cooper has a sense of humor & comedy timing--hope you catch ST in Oct. & enjoy it.
Thank you.
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I didn't find it confusing--I did miss the first 15 minutes when I saw it--picked up on it easily enough.
Plot summary ( setting the scene Only): Clio Dulaine (Ingrid Bergman) is the illegitimate daughter of the New Orleans Dulaine family. Her mother is harassed/murdered by her family & buried in a nameless plot & Clio packed off to France so she couldn't embarrass the family socially by the fact of her existence. When she grows up, Clio is intent on revenge for her mother & goes to New Orleans to achieve it. After she arrives in New Orleans, she meets Clint Maroon (Gary Cooper), a Texan of questionable reputation--they fall in love/lust/like/choose an adjective. Clio achieves her first goal of socially ruining her family's reputation--the plot from this point on is very clear.
BTW--before anyone says this is preposterous, remember the plot of Jezebel (1938) hinged on Bette Davis wearing the wrong color dress to an New Orleans white dress only ball.
Thank you very much. I think maybe my problem is that just about all times I've seen this film has been late at night and I might have fallen asleep during various early segments. I never could figure out if her mother was a prositute and what that other family had to do with her. Now I understand.
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Interesting topic and one my wife and I have discussed many time. To me Ilsa's choice was determined by the Code. i.e. for her to go away with Rick, her husband would have to be killed and that wouldn't fit the storyline.
You might be right, but I think there are several possible endings that would not have violated the Code.
For example, Victor could have given the two Letters of Transit to Rick and Ilsa, saying that he had realized for some time that the passion had gone out of Ilsa’s relationship with him, and he had suspected another man was involved.
He could have said he would get a French divorce in Casablanca and that would allow Rick and Ilsa to get married in Lisbon in a couple of weeks.
He could have given a speech about how he had to get back to work in Europe, and alone, and the work would be so dangerous, Ilsa could not be involved with him.
He could have been the one who walked off into the sunset with Captain Renault, and he could have been the one to go to off to the French Garrison at Brazzaville with Renault. By the way, Brazzaville was a real place that never fell to the Nazis.
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I find this film a little confusing.
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No wonder she wanted Rick to do the thinking for all of them.
Sometimes I wish Rick could do the thinking for me too.
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Years ago I met Joyce Reynolds, who lived here on the Big Island of Hawaii, and typed a screenplay for her. She told me that she and Joan Fontaine had loved Charles Boyer so much when they made "The Constant Nymph" that they used to wait for him to come in every morning and would greet him joyfully, to spend as much time with him as they could.
Joyce Reynolds and Joan Fontaine
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but on a more light-hearted note, he made They Might Be Giants (1971 with Joanne Woodward, Jack Gilford) around the same time and that would have made a great juxta...just a ...oh, counterpoint...to the more serious side...Got a GREAT SCOTT fav of your own ?
I saw THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS when NBC aired it in 1972. I thought it was great, but a little odd. Both odd and great.
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I recommend watching The Women (1939) to get the attitudes and mindset of women and their roles in society of the 1930s-1940s. When you state, "Why does she allow Rick to make her moral decisions for her?" it sounds like you are attaching current sensibilities to a society of 70 years ago.
Women then and women now are not of just one kind. Ilsa might have been a little wimpy, when compared to the two men, but we have wimpy women today too. Also, there were/are wimpy men in both eras.
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photo 29.jpg please click on photo to enlarge. She was a supporting actressI think we might need some clues.
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If Ilsa had known that "Rick" was going to come into a large fortune in gold a few years later, I'll bet she would have stayed with him.
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Does anyone else find her character's passive demeanor a bit irritating?
Ilsa was the type of girl who was more beautiful than smart.
She should have been honest with Rick in Paris and told him on that last day that she just found out her husband was still alive.
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Well, dang! Aren't you smart! Is this guy your brother or something?