FredCDobbs

> I loved all the scheming goin' on right from the > get-go. It's certainly not the only Titanic > movie to take a few liberties in the screenplay, I wonder why the real ship went so fast, at night, when they knew there was ice in the area?

Do you know anything about the SOS rockets? I think one film used white rockets, the most recent film used red. The German film says they used white because they didn't have a supply of red.

> Fred, I was referring to Sweetbabykmd's post just a > few minutes before mine. I'm sorry, I just hit "reply > to thread". I didn't see the point in replying to her > when she supposedly has me on permanent ignore. Ok, no problem.

Thanks for the link. Here is another one. http://www.titanicinquiry.org/USInq/AmInq01Ismay01.php

Here is the story of the nearby ship that did not go to the rescue: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=656093079&searchurl=ph%3D2%26bsi%3D30%26tn%3Dtitanic%26sortby%3D1

I've been searching a list of rare books about the Titanic. Apparently the company owner, Bruce Ismay, was on board the ship and he did escape in a lifeboat. See this link... http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=217106810&searchurl=ph%3D2%26bsi%3D30%26tn%3Dtitanic%26sortby%3D1

Wow, what a fascinating film! Since so many of the plot elements are so similar in all the Titanic films, I wonder if there was a famous book on which they are all based? Does anyone know?

> Very funny ! Howie Hunt said Johnson had a role in > the JFK shooting, maybe Mr. Hunt is a ' Card - > Carrying Communist ". Excuse me but this is a classic movie forum. Stop stealing TCM bandwidth for your inane political rants. Go pay for your own blog space.

> Calling unitary Government a radical idea for the > American system A Red Speech !--- This is a joke > isn't it !. Hasn't Bush expanded Executive Power to > unprecedented heights ? Or are you just trying to > bait me and not interested in defending your > positions ?---- Please name that " Dirty Red " who > wanted to kick out the Hayes code ! Man, you've got it bad. I expect you to start shouting "Free Tom Mooney" and "Save the Rosenbergs" any minute.

>Watergate plumber > " E. Howard Hunt fingers President Lyndon B. Johnson > as a prime suspect in Predident Kennedy's > assinassation. Oswald did it, and there's nothing you can do about it but try to blame it on people you hate. This is a movie forum, not the Daily Worker.

> Please ame one " Communist " who was trying to undo > the Hays code.! Is the American political - economic > system so sacrosanct that it cannot be criticized ? > ALL man made political - economicsystems aare > imperfect, it is up to man to make that system, > whatever it is more humane. Unfettered Capitalism is > not a just or fair system, just as an unfettered " > Socialist System " need checks and balances. It is > too bad the this so - called Conservative > Administration is in fact, when it comes to executive > power, the most radical in American History. Man, you've lost it. You aren't even talking about movies anymore. You are giving a streetcorner commie speech like you are standing on a soapbox on a sidewalk in the Village in New York, circa 1953.

> This thread was dead for some time, I didn't revive > it. Lucky Dan is another Pro- Blacklist poster on > this site, there are plenty of right wingers here . > If the movies become more vulgar and violent in the > sixties, which they did, it is because of greed that > they did so. It made money, Capitalism is an amoral > system, if it makes money, it is good. Read Chomsky > and Zinn for a more balanced perspective than you > have now . No, Chomsky and Zinn should read me. It was the communists in Hollywood who were at the forefront of trying to destroy the old Hays Code. They succeeded and look what happend.... vulgar violent crappy movies from then on. The Hays Code was put into effect originally by decent people to try to stop some of that exploitation type of greed, and the commies worked for years to kill the code. They finally succeeded. They hated it because it was based on the original religious Catholic code, and they hated religion. So decent people flock here so they can see the old code movies and get away from most of the modern vulgarity and violence.

> Yeah I apologize, I was writing to another respondant > earlier on the thread. So many people wrote on this > one. I get in a hurry and see a comment I will post > reply to thread, instead of the individual. My bad. > Sorry Oh, heck, don't worry about it. Apparently if someone posts to the tread in general, the program goes back and lists the name of the original poster to the thread, or something like that. I think we should all probably limit our griping strictly to specific movies, rather than about individual posters. Art is in the eye of the beholder, and we all are individual beholders. I started this thread because of a real rash of bad movies shown early last year. I mean, what great classic movie fan begs to see "Shampoo" or "The Bad News Bears"? These movies are so bad, none of the other channels will show them.

Why don't you produce "A Salute to Joseph Stalin, The Man and his Times"?

> Name calling ( calling leftist whiners ) doesn't';t > advance your arguments. I'm just trying to entertain you. You started a controversial thread to attract some attention, didn't you? Well, here I am. What would you do without me. Anyway, what ruined the old classic film noir movie styles in the '50s was television, when Hollywood suddenly turned to color and Cinemascope, and then the fall of the old studio system. Film noir doesn't work well in color and Cinemascope. I saw this film a few months ago, and look at the great cast: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046791/ It was an old ?noir? type mystery movie, but it looked odd in bright color and wide screen. The lighting was flat, straight-on lighting, nothing creative. It was filmed like a stage play. Not very good. It was a good story, a good cast, but nothing creative or traditional in it. This was because of TV. More people started staying home on the weekend in the ?50s to watch free movies in the form of TV shows. In the ?60s they started adding more sex and cursing to attract people back to the movies, and the movies became more liberal and leftist than ever before, and that was the fall of old Hollywood and the classic movie era. And the ?70s was the worst decade of all for the movies.... zoom...zoom...zoom....zoom. In between the zooms.... cuss, cuss, cuss.

> What are you addressing this to me for? > > Fred, I think some people have forgotten to reply to > the actual person who wrote what they're quoting; > they're replying to the thread, instead of to a > particular post. > Bill Thanks Bill.

>we always have yutz's come on and start > programming battles. Calling people names reveals your immaturity. This is what I warned about when TCM started showing the kiddie Anime movies, a bunch of rude anti-social immature crackpots coming on and ruining these threads with a lot of personal attacks, instead of sticking to the discussion of movies.

> That is right, you said a year ago the end was near, > oddly enough TCM has increased it's audience by 14 > pecent. Me, I am just glad to have TCM on my cable, > with movies like "The Killers" and "Thunder Road", Yeah, that's because I pointed out all the new crappy movies from the ?70s they were starting to show a year ago and people began to rebel against it. If TCM loses the classic film lovers, they'll lose their traditional, vast, and well-established cable and satellite subscriber base.

I think I saw Rita Hayworth in it as the Spanish dancer Rita Casino.

Ok, don't forget. The 1943 German version of "Titanic" is coming up right after Metropolis. I can't wait! 1943 Nazis playing passengers and crew member of the Titanic! The director was hanged for offending the Nazis. Geeze, I thought I had had some bad bosses while working in the media.

> Uh OH, me thinks the thought police have put a filter > on....Let me try this title that aired on TCM in Oct. > If they can't let me even write it, they shouldn't > show it. "Faster **** Cat, Kill, Kill" What in the heck are you yapping about? Are you trying to type "Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill"? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059170/

> See what I mean? The facts are not going to interfere > with these people's perceptions. Or their > determination that they can't be wrong. What are you addressing this to me for? I haven't posted on this thread in nearly a year. Go back and read my original posts and the original movies I complained about. I'll be responsible for the movies I complain about and let others be responsible for the movies they complain about.

> As long as TCM still shows wonderful black and white > movies with the ethereal drama of the human spirit, > films like" MudHoney"," Faster **** Cat Kill Kill," > I will always be a loyal viewer. No where else on > television is such high art shown to the select few, > whom are qualified to view such cinematic > masterworks. TCM is a gem and will never die when > programming like this exists. I appreciate > programmers who understand high art and culture and > appeal to that distinguished and educated viewer. > Now, all they have to do to make my viewing complete > is to air" Curse of the Slime People", and other lost > teasures of the same ilk. Why did you address that post to me? I never complained about those movies. Go back to my original post of a year ago to see the specific movies I complained about. I don't mind if TCM occasionally shows a weird movie for an occasional weird viewer. I just don't like crappy '70s films like "The Bad News Bears" and "Shampoo". Stuff like that.

I think I just saw Rita Hayworth dancing as Rita Cansino in "Three Smart Girls" (1936). She was uncredited, but she was dancing the same as she did in "Dante's Inferno" (1935) where she was credited. Same hairstyle too.

>He was a party > member for only a few months. Who cares? The studios wouldn't let me on the lots in the '70s to take pictures for my magazine because I wasn't in a union, even though my pictures would have promoted their movies and being in a union wasn't required for magazine work. Non-union people were blacklisted during the past 70 years in Hollywood. Hundreds of non-union people were blacklisted. Blacks were blacklisted from working at the studios in technical jobs in the '30s and '40s. The biggest thing that hurt Hollywood in the '50s was TV. Your leftist political whining is way out of date.